do you think that Tookie Williams should executed?

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jjyiz28

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i think he should live. he's does so well for the BLACK community. everyone knows that when a BLACK man is convicted of a crime, it is because a white man is putting him down and that the evidence has been planted. fo sho fo sho'. i mean, what other reason can there be when blacks make like less than 20% of the US population yet make up for more than 60% in the prison community?? dare i say, can it be a genetic defincieny? o h noes, its 100% environmental that tookie became a murderer.

free OJ while we're at it. ohh yeah, he's free already.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Looney
Again, why would anybody reform if there's no second chances for them? All you want is another black man to die. I wonder if you all felt this way when Karla Fay Tucker was about to be executed.

Do us all a favor and STFU. You're ignorant.

Truth hurts huh?

Truth likes it's ok to be racist this way on ATOT but if anyone posts a thread complaining about AA, it gets locks?

 

DAGTA

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hmmm anyone wonder if he really would have changed if he hadn't been sitting on death row? Do people really think his motives for changing were, "oh, I'm a bad person and need to change?" More likely: "Oh shlt! I'm on death row. Time be a goody two shoes and try and get off death row!"
 

CDC Mail Guy

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As a California Department of Corrections employee, I realized a long time ago that it doesn't matter whether people change their life in prison, they still have to pay for what they did.
It's easy to change your life in times of trouble. Most turn to religion...good for them. Tookie turned to writing children's books, and had a movie made of his life. Still doesn't change what he did to be there in the first place.
 

eits

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the death penalty has done nothing. we've executed 1000 people since 1978 with no slowing down.

also, why end a murderer's pain? why execute them? let them rot in a cell or fend for their own lives in prison. let them fight off rapes in the shower room. let them get beatings and locked thrown in the can for a couple weeks. why give them the easy ticket out?

also, tookie has been reformed and contributes to society almost daily. why not just lock his ass up for good and let him talk to gang members to try and make them change? he's a great tool for reducing gangs.... why throw it away?

fvcking dumbasses you capital punishment lovers are.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Doesn't matter how much good he's doing now, too little too late. Point is he took someone else's life and should have to pay for that so I vote FRY HIM!

RIP Tookie Dec. 2005.

haha aren't you the moron in the other forum thread who didn't know anything about biology and were trying to teach ME (someone who's a couple years shy of becoming a doctor) about embryology?

haha typical... you would vote to fry him.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: CDC Mail Guy
As a California Department of Corrections employee, I realized a long time ago that it doesn't matter whether people change their life in prison, they still have to pay for what they did.
It's easy to change your life in times of trouble. Most turn to religion...good for them. Tookie turned to writing children's books, and had a movie made of his life. Still doesn't change what he did to be there in the first place.

you don't think his lifetime in prison writing children's books and teaching young urban kids to get out of gang life is enough? he'll never be free or have sex with a woman ever again. he'll never drive a car. he'll never go to a movie theater and put his arm around a girl. he'll never have a job, come home, and play with his kids or wife or pets. he'll never take a ****** in a real bathroom. he'll never have a home-cooked meal on holidays. his entire life has been reduced to monotony and grey, cold, stagnant walls with steel doors.

at least while he's rotting away in a concrete closet, he'll be contributing for the greater good of society's future. it makes no sense to kill him. by killing him, you potentially indirectly increase the crime rate as well as end the misery of a man who deserves it.
 

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Joseph C. Phillips at Blacknews.com
Standing outside the walls of San Quentin prison, the rapper Snoop Dogg urged California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to grant clemency to convicted murderer Stan "Tookie" Williams. Williams, the co founder of the notorious street gang the Crips, was convicted and sentenced to death for the 1979 slayings of Albert Owens, Yen-I Yang, his wife, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, and their daughter, Yu-Chin Yang Lin. Barring intervention by the governor, he will die by lethal injection on December 13. Speaking before a thousand young people and supporters, Snoop lectured the governor: "Stanley `Tookie' Williams is not just a regular old guy, he's an inspirator. His voice needs to be heard."

Snoop, Mike Farrell, Danny Glover, Jamie Foxx and the other celebrity voices now raised in support of Williams offer a clear picture of the distorted moral vision of the Hollywood left. It is a vision that finds virtue contemptible and props up homicidal maniacs who write bad children's books as role models for the masses.

The argument for commutation of Tookie's sentence centers on all the good work he has done since going to prison. The series of children's books he has written and his work to stop gang violence is proof of his redemption. His death, they say, will only serve to rob those youth currently in gangs or considering joining gangs, of hope. Witness that his supporters do not claim that Tookie is innocent of his crimes. They are not seeking that Williams be released, only that his sentence be commuted. Williams, however, has never admitted guilt. That little inconsistency suggests the great "inspirator" is not only an unrepentant murderer, but a liar as well.

The portrayal of Williams as some pied piper of peace for the gang community also holds very little water. A quick review of Book Scan shows the Tookie series of books have hardly been blockbusters. His top seller, "Gangs and Violence" has sold 330 books. Another book "Gangs and Wanting to Belong" sold exactly two copies. No one is reading his books, least of all his two sons, one of whom is serving time in San Quentin. The other was just arrested on charges of aggravated rape. Poor book sales are not reason to send someone to the execution chamber, but then Williams was not convicted of lackluster book sales. He was found guilty of shooting four innocent people in cold blood, a fact his supporters continue to forget.

Here again, wealthy celebrities are telling hard working, law-abiding citizens that the example offered by them is inadequate to save their communities; the models of competence, creativity and virtue that are alive in these neighborhoods is simply insufficient. No matter that hundreds of young people find the strength of character - the hope -- to resist the gang life. No matter that many of the stars have themselves found the strength to rise out of the tough streets. All that means nothing as compared to the words and example of Tookie Williams.

On Sunday November 13, one week before the "Save Tookie" rally at San Quentin, fourteen-year old William Cox and a friend were attending a neighborhood carnival when they were gunned down by a man who mistook them for rival gang members. Cox, who was not in a gang, was struck in the chest and died at the scene. That is the evil wrought by Stanley Williams!

Of course Snoop and Danny Glover did not hold a rally for William Cox. His death went unnoticed by the Hollywood commissars of compassion. They were too busy trying to save the life of a cold-blooded killer to notice one more young life snuffed out by gang violence. That tells you all you need to know about the corrupt vision the Hollywood left has for America...
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Joseph C. Phillips at Blacknews.com
Standing outside the walls of San Quentin prison, the rapper Snoop Dogg urged California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to grant clemency to convicted murderer Stan "Tookie" Williams. Williams, the co founder of the notorious street gang the Crips, was convicted and sentenced to death for the 1979 slayings of Albert Owens, Yen-I Yang, his wife, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, and their daughter, Yu-Chin Yang Lin. Barring intervention by the governor, he will die by lethal injection on December 13. Speaking before a thousand young people and supporters, Snoop lectured the governor: "Stanley `Tookie' Williams is not just a regular old guy, he's an inspirator. His voice needs to be heard."

Snoop, Mike Farrell, Danny Glover, Jamie Foxx and the other celebrity voices now raised in support of Williams offer a clear picture of the distorted moral vision of the Hollywood left. It is a vision that finds virtue contemptible and props up homicidal maniacs who write bad children's books as role models for the masses.

The argument for commutation of Tookie's sentence centers on all the good work he has done since going to prison. The series of children's books he has written and his work to stop gang violence is proof of his redemption. His death, they say, will only serve to rob those youth currently in gangs or considering joining gangs, of hope. Witness that his supporters do not claim that Tookie is innocent of his crimes. They are not seeking that Williams be released, only that his sentence be commuted. Williams, however, has never admitted guilt. That little inconsistency suggests the great "inspirator" is not only an unrepentant murderer, but a liar as well.

The portrayal of Williams as some pied piper of peace for the gang community also holds very little water. A quick review of Book Scan shows the Tookie series of books have hardly been blockbusters. His top seller, "Gangs and Violence" has sold 330 books. Another book "Gangs and Wanting to Belong" sold exactly two copies. No one is reading his books, least of all his two sons, one of whom is serving time in San Quentin. The other was just arrested on charges of aggravated rape. Poor book sales are not reason to send someone to the execution chamber, but then Williams was not convicted of lackluster book sales. He was found guilty of shooting four innocent people in cold blood, a fact his supporters continue to forget.

Here again, wealthy celebrities are telling hard working, law-abiding citizens that the example offered by them is inadequate to save their communities; the models of competence, creativity and virtue that are alive in these neighborhoods is simply insufficient. No matter that hundreds of young people find the strength of character - the hope -- to resist the gang life. No matter that many of the stars have themselves found the strength to rise out of the tough streets. All that means nothing as compared to the words and example of Tookie Williams.

On Sunday November 13, one week before the "Save Tookie" rally at San Quentin, fourteen-year old William Cox and a friend were attending a neighborhood carnival when they were gunned down by a man who mistook them for rival gang members. Cox, who was not in a gang, was struck in the chest and died at the scene. That is the evil wrought by Stanley Williams!

Of course Snoop and Danny Glover did not hold a rally for William Cox. His death went unnoticed by the Hollywood commissars of compassion. They were too busy trying to save the life of a cold-blooded killer to notice one more young life snuffed out by gang violence. That tells you all you need to know about the corrupt vision the Hollywood left has for America...

1, you can't expect death row inmates who were raised on the streets to write nytimes best sellers.

2, at least he's being proactive in trying to improve society.

3, he killed people... yeah, that's terrible and dispicable and whatnot. but i don't understand why you people seem to miss the point (maybe it's because your judgement and perception is so clouded with anger and "righteousness" that you forget) that someone who does something like that DESERVES TO SUFFER FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE! what the hell kind of life-long suffering is dying in your sleep (that's what they do... in the gas chamber, after 2 breaths of hydrocyanic gas, you pass out... then, you're pronounced dead after a matter of minutes)?! that's not suffering... that's called being painlessly knocked out and never snapping out of it. LET THE ASSHOLE ROT IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE!
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: eits
you don't think his lifetime in prison writing children's books and teaching young urban kids to get out of gang life is enough? he'll never be free or have sex with a woman ever again. he'll never drive a car. he'll never go to a movie theater and put his arm around a girl. he'll never have a job, come home, and play with his kids or wife or pets. he'll never take a ****** in a real bathroom. he'll never have a home-cooked meal on holidays.

neither will the people he's killed.


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Accipiter22

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and this death penalty case MIGHT deter people, for once. 'oh crap, he killed people, turned his life around and still didn't get out of his penalty...maybe I shouldn't go murder someone'
 

PingSpike

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Ahnold will blow him away himself. "Ah haff damaged your collateral....rrwooaaw!" Boom!
 

Hammer

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i don't care whether he has reformed. i don't care really whether he gets life in prison or is executed, its hard to say which one is worse. as long as he dies in prison one way or another, i am cool with it.
 

redgtxdi

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What's really sad is that this question needs to be asked at all.............



It's a foregone conclusion.............

It's like asking.........."If I spill water on my shirt, will it get wet??"

Tookie committed the crimes. 24 years of appeals has done nothing to save him. Clemency should be based on a newly found "not guilty" verdict. It's not going to happen. He's guilty.

If he wants to do the public a favor, he'll show the people whose lives he's supposedly helping/changing that he's man enough to show EXACTLY what happens to people who do the things he did...................you DIE on a table as voted by a jury of your peers in a court of law as an agreement to exist in the country you enjoy living in.

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eits

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Originally posted by: Accipiter22
and this death penalty case MIGHT deter people, for once. 'oh crap, he killed people, turned his life around and still didn't get out of his penalty...maybe I shouldn't go murder someone'

impossible. it hasn't for 27 years... why would it now? all it would do is increase racial tension in california and increase crips activity... that's it. nothing more. it will not make "the world a better place," as one idiot put it.

you people are far too near-sighted...
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Hammer
i don't care whether he has reformed. i don't care really whether he gets life in prison or is executed, its hard to say which one is worse. as long as he dies in prison one way or another, i am cool with it.

i could speculate that dying painlessly is much easier than living in a prison cell for the rest of your natural life.
 

MaxDepth

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The Los Angeles district attorney's office issued a 118-page statement in response to the clemency petition.

"Stanley Williams has steadfastly refused to take any responsibility for the brutal, destructive, and murderous acts he committed," it said.

"Without such responsibility, there can be no redemption, there can be no atonement, and there should be no mercy."

The petition response also criticised Williams for refusing to debrief the authorities on the Crips gang.

"Williams' refusal to debrief, and his characterisation of the debriefing process as 'snitching' clearly shows that Williams has not turned his back on the Crips gang," the statement said.

As for tonight, will he die with dignity or will he rage against the Man?
 

meltdown75

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let's see, 4 murders that we know of... who knows how many people he really killed or was involved in killing?
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
and this death penalty case MIGHT deter people, for once. 'oh crap, he killed people, turned his life around and still didn't get out of his penalty...maybe I shouldn't go murder someone'

impossible. it hasn't for 27 years... why would it now? all it would do is increase racial tension in california and increase crips activity... that's it. nothing more. it will not make "the world a better place," as one idiot put it.

you people are far too near-sighted...

Most people executed aren't as closely tied into society as this one. This guy is close to a lot of people. If people that are out there gangbangin see that even if you turn your life around after you murder people you'll still get executed might make them think twice.

I feel sooooo bad for the families of the victims in this. All these people rallying to support this guy, ignoring the lives he's destroyed.