do you think that Tookie Williams should executed?

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm assuming you're just acting dumb to lighten this thread now?

No, I'm showing how utterly ****** STUPID you are.

 

[Xylitol]

"Tookie, I love that name, it sound so cute"
-Governor Arnold Schwarzenagar

 

Similar, yes. I went to prison for a few years when i was younger. Thankfully the Canadian system is heavily focused on rehabilitation and believes that people can change, so i was given a second chance.

haha, Canadian prison. What type of rehabilitation programs did they have, pie baking, tea brewing and joint rolling class? hehehe

I agree with small portions of your argument in this thread, though mostly you're just going on some philosophical tirade that does nothing but generalize your whole argument. Sure "the system" is the problem and people don't understand everyone elses life situations, but that's really not the point. Of course it's the system that causes minorities to be the #1 violent crime offenders. They are mad, so going out, joining a gang and shooting people is the way to really make a difference in your community.

Another thing is that you shouldn't compare Canadian and US systems. Their size difference makes it really pointless to directly compare them.
The Canadian system has approximatley a 40% remand rate, not so great. Also their cost per inmate is among the highest in the world. But really, does that really matter?

The guy killed at least 3 people in cold blood, for advantageous reason or otherwise, he did not kill in self defense. He took the lives of at least 3 people for no good reason. Why should he be given the chance to rejoin society? He left it as a an utterly worthless member. If you let him out, you wait for the vast majority of his life to pass him by, let him rejoin as a tired old man. Also, you don't have much more to do than better yourself personally in jail. He has to spend a lot of time there, being a gang banger the whole time isn't going to accomplish much, except getting stabbed.

In the end I really don't care if they kill him. But damn that system for forcing people to be gang bangers and murderers.

 

[slpaulson]

If he is still writing anti gang books and what not, I think he is more valuable alive than he is dead.... so I vote no.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: cRazYdood
If he is still writing anti gang books and what not, I think he is more valuable alive than he is dead.... so I vote no.

I wonder if the familes and friends of the ppl he raped and murdered would feel that way. And the families and loved ones who suffered from all his gang activity.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: daveymark
he wrote a chlidren's book and won a nobel prize, so no. All convicts that write children's books and win nobel prizes should be given carte blanche to murder/rape/pillage as they please

:laugh:

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JS80
He also denies committing the crimes.

They always do.

Yep. almost everyone in prison has been falsely accused.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: cRazYdood
If he is still writing anti gang books and what not, I think he is more valuable alive than he is dead.... so I vote no.

I wonder if the familes and friends of the ppl he raped and murdered would feel that way. And the families and loved ones who suffered from all his gang activity.

You want revenge or justice?

 

[Rubycon]

Recompile, then execute.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: cRazYdood
If he is still writing anti gang books and what not, I think he is more valuable alive than he is dead.... so I vote no.

I wonder if the familes and friends of the ppl he raped and murdered would feel that way. And the families and loved ones who suffered from all his gang activity.

You want revenge or justice?

I dont want him walking the streets. Besides that, it doesnt matter to me.

I would think that it matters to the families, however. I would not want to be the ones to have to face them to give them the news that even though he raped and murdered their loved ones, he wrote some books and is really sorry, so his legally decided sentence will not be carried out.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: cRazYdood
If he is still writing anti gang books and what not, I think he is more valuable alive than he is dead.... so I vote no.

I wonder if the familes and friends of the ppl he raped and murdered would feel that way. And the families and loved ones who suffered from all his gang activity.

You want revenge or justice?

I dont want him walking the streets. Besides that, it doesnt matter to me.

I would think that it matters to the families, however. I would not want to be the ones to have to face them to give them the news that even though he raped and murdered their loved ones, he wrote some books and is really sorry, so his legally decided sentence will not be carried out.

I dont think anyone was suggesting releasing him from prison.

Besides I'm pretty biased about the death penalty so I probably should butt out of this thread.

 

[KingofCamelot]

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JS80
He also denies committing the crimes.

They always do.

Yep. almost everyone in prison has been falsely accused.

"Me? Lawyer ****** me. Everybody in here's innocent. Didn't you know that?"
Good movie.


I think they should still execute him. He is being executed for crimes he committed, whether or not he feels remorse. He can't change what he did. I don't give a ****** if he wrote some nice books, he still needs to be punished for what he did. He should have thought about the consequences of his actions before he killed people. Its too bad they don't sell tickets to executions.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: cRazYdood
If he is still writing anti gang books and what not, I think he is more valuable alive than he is dead.... so I vote no.

I wonder if the familes and friends of the ppl he raped and murdered would feel that way. And the families and loved ones who suffered from all his gang activity.

You want revenge or justice?

Both

 

[waggy]

I think he should fry. While he does earn a small amount of respect for changing that does not forgive him of the sins he did. Jesus may forgive him but that does not change tghe fact that he has killed/raped others and should die.

 

[Anubis]

may i ask WHO THE FVCK is Tookie Williams

 

[Ulfwald]

Time to lite up ald sparky, or better yet, bullets are cheaper.

He was tried and convicted by a jury of his peers beyond a shadow of a doubt. Black or white, it does not matter, he needs to die for his crimes.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Anubis
may i ask WHO THE FVCK is Tookie Williams

Go back to my first post in this thread and read.

 

[moshquerade]

just like anyone else who has been convicted of murder and got sentenced to death, he should be no exception.

 

[bigrash]

keep in mind that even if he's not executed, he'll still most likely serve life-sentence. I think most people are under the impression that he'll be set free.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JS80
He also denies committing the crimes.

They always do.

Yeah didn't you guys know? Everyone in prison is actually innocent.

 

[Toasthead]

yes

 

[purbeast0]

can someone please explain to me why all of a sudden "being taken off death row" = "going back on the streets?"

i mean it seems like 95% of the people in this thread think that if he's taken off death row, he's going to be the new neighbor next door, where thats not whats going to happen - he'll be in prison for the rest of his life, not out in the real world.

i say let this guy live in prison the rest of his life trying to do positive as he's currently doing.

 

[Mill]

Flip a coin.

Heads he has to inform on the rest of the Crips and then become a Blood.
Tails they make him watch 36 unedited hours of George W. Bush speaking.

I bet he wishes for Heads.

 

[rhino56]

how many crips and bloods turn to preachers as soon as they go to jail? they even start wearing a little beanie cap and carry the koran or bible around saying "how art thou brothers?"
the minute the hit the streets they go right back to "yo man gimme dat chit"
tookie is no exception, he changed in prison, if he had changed while he was on the streets, confessed to his crimes that may be a different story.
so in otherwords- fry bitch.

 

[Queasy]

Michelle Malkin did a good round-up on this subject last week.

Williams' groupies would have us believe that their Nobel Peace Prize nominee is a helpless victim of his environment, addled by low self-esteem, forced to turn to violence by racist oppressors, and now apologetic "for the atrocities which I and others committed against our race through gang violence." Spare us the sob story. Here are the cold-blooded facts missing from Williams' Nobel Peace Prize application:

Williams was convicted of murdering four innocent bystanders with a sawed-off shotgun in 1979. There was nothing peaceful or compassionate about the way [Albert Owens], Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin died. Owen was a white teen-age clerk at a 7-11 convenience store, shot twice in the back of the head -- execution-style -- as he lay unarmed on the floor during a hold-up. A witness testified that Williams mocked the gurgling sounds Owen made as he lay dying. "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," the witness quoted Williams.

The Yangs were Taiwanese immigrants who, along with their daughter Yee Chen Lin, were gunned down during a motel robbery two weeks after Owen died. Half of the daughter's face was blown off by the shotgun blasts, former L.A. County Deputy District Attorney Robert Martin told me in an interview this week. Williams called them "Buddhaheads," Martin recounted, and robbed them of petty cash.

Williams has yet to apologize to the victims' families. When the trial ended, Martin told me, Williams muttered to the prosecution team, "I'll get every one of you m-----f-----s."

Spoken like a Nobel laureate.

Tookie Williams was sentenced to die for these brutal crimes in 1981. But at the end of this year, he will have celebrated 19 more Thanksgivings, 19 more Christmases, and 19 more birthdays. That's 6,935 days more than [Albert Owens], Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin were allowed to enjoy on this earth...

There's more. Including links to what Albert Owens' family members have said.

Debra J Saunders had a good line I thought.

Let me stipulate: While I support the death penalty, I can respect those who oppose it. But I can't respect those who lionize the most violent thugs as if they are prize sages. My advice to the anti-execution crowd -- and I have no doubt it will be ignored -- is to find some poor schlub who killed in a panic and doesn't belong on death row, and seek clemency for that person.

Don't put a cold-blooded killer on a pedestal. Don't denounce a government killing as barbaric while you laud a cold-blooded thug. And don't ask for clemency for a killer who won't fess up to his crimes.

Williams' co-author, Barbara Becnel, told the Los Angeles Times, "What Stan presents is hope that they, too, can change. He is worth far more to society alive than dead."

Wrong. He is worth more to society dead. The message from the Tookie-philes is that you can kill innocent people and be a star. An execution says you can kill innocent people and pay the price.