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LilBlinbBlahIce

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I don't see why everyone is so pissed off with them, they had opinions and they expressed them, what is more American than that. They had the courage to say what many Texans (myseslf included) think. I cannot leave the country and mention I'm from Texas without the first thing people saying is "Ahhh George Bush!" Hell, if I was from Maine I might not care so much, but the fact that he furthers all the negative "cowboy" stereotypes of Texans is, yes, embarassing.
 

Crimson

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Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.
 

NightTrain

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff.

My you do have your heart in the right place. Luckily you were able to save yourself
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LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff.

My you do have your heart in the right place. Luckily you were able to save yourself
rolleye.gif

Better late than never.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff.



WOW is all I have to say.

Like I said, I've seen the error of my ways and I've corrected them.

 

flavio

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We need a list of pro-war entertainers to boycott so we can join the stupidity.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.


Yeah and I was Bill Clinton's intern... Lets get serious, if you truly feel that tax cuts help those that don't need help, you are not a Republican. So what it comes down to it seems you are upset about sitting in the rain for a couple hours only to find out you aren't a republican. The whole "John Ashcroft" argument is usually used by people who think black helicopters are flying around following them as well...
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: flavio
We need a list of pro-war entertainers to boycott so we can join the stupidity.

For real.

The only problem with that is that when you are a huge minority, a boycott does not do any good. The reason nobody is boycotting pro-war entertainers is that most people AGREE with them.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: flavio
You're a big Ashcroft fan huh?

I just don't believe the "doom and gloom" crowd that the world will come to an end if John Ashcroft stays Attorney General.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.


Yeah and I was Bill Clinton's intern... Lets get serious, if you truly feel that tax cuts help those that don't need help, you are not a Republican. So what it comes down to it seems you are upset about sitting in the rain for a couple hours only to find out you aren't a republican. The whole "John Ashcroft" argument is usually used by people who think black helicopters are flying around following them as well...

You're absolutely right, I am no longer a Republican b/c now I am aware of what it really means to be one. And this new wave of neo-conservatism only re-enforces to me how wrong I was to ever think the being Republican was the way to go. But then again, I'm young, atleast I'm discovering my political affiliation for myself and not blindly following the crowd. Try doing that in Texas. As for John Ashcroft, unless you're a WASP or a conservative Jew, you will have no love for him.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.


Yeah and I was Bill Clinton's intern... Lets get serious, if you truly feel that tax cuts help those that don't need help, you are not a Republican. So what it comes down to it seems you are upset about sitting in the rain for a couple hours only to find out you aren't a republican. The whole "John Ashcroft" argument is usually used by people who think black helicopters are flying around following them as well...

You're absolutely right, I am no longer a Republican b/c now I am aware of what it really means to be one. And this new wave of neo-conservatism only re-enforces to me how wrong I was to ever think the being Republican was the way to go. But then again, I'm young, atleast I'm discovering my political affiliation for myself and not blindly following the crowd. Try doing that in Texas. As for John Ashcroft, unless you're a WASP or a conservative Jew, you will have no love for him.

And what does it really mean to be a republican?
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.


Yeah and I was Bill Clinton's intern... Lets get serious, if you truly feel that tax cuts help those that don't need help, you are not a Republican. So what it comes down to it seems you are upset about sitting in the rain for a couple hours only to find out you aren't a republican. The whole "John Ashcroft" argument is usually used by people who think black helicopters are flying around following them as well...

You're absolutely right, I am no longer a Republican b/c now I am aware of what it really means to be one. And this new wave of neo-conservatism only re-enforces to me how wrong I was to ever think the being Republican was the way to go. But then again, I'm young, atleast I'm discovering my political affiliation for myself and not blindly following the crowd. Try doing that in Texas. As for John Ashcroft, unless you're a WASP or a conservative Jew, you will have no love for him.

And what does it really mean to be a republican?

Hmmm let's see, right now? Maybe it means blindly supporting the policies and ideologies of one man under the guise of patriotism. Maybe it means supporting the rich and big business. Maybe it means more gov. control. To me it meant a lot of things, a lot of negative things.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.


Yeah and I was Bill Clinton's intern... Lets get serious, if you truly feel that tax cuts help those that don't need help, you are not a Republican. So what it comes down to it seems you are upset about sitting in the rain for a couple hours only to find out you aren't a republican. The whole "John Ashcroft" argument is usually used by people who think black helicopters are flying around following them as well...

You're absolutely right, I am no longer a Republican b/c now I am aware of what it really means to be one. And this new wave of neo-conservatism only re-enforces to me how wrong I was to ever think the being Republican was the way to go. But then again, I'm young, atleast I'm discovering my political affiliation for myself and not blindly following the crowd. Try doing that in Texas. As for John Ashcroft, unless you're a WASP or a conservative Jew, you will have no love for him.

And what does it really mean to be a republican?

Hmmm let's see, right now? Maybe it means blindly supporting the policies and ideologies of one man under the guise of patriotism. Maybe it means supporting the rich and big business. Maybe it means more gov. control. To me it meant a lot of things, a lot of negative things.

Right out of the Liberal Handbook - almost word for word :p
rolleye.gif
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.


Yeah and I was Bill Clinton's intern... Lets get serious, if you truly feel that tax cuts help those that don't need help, you are not a Republican. So what it comes down to it seems you are upset about sitting in the rain for a couple hours only to find out you aren't a republican. The whole "John Ashcroft" argument is usually used by people who think black helicopters are flying around following them as well...

You're absolutely right, I am no longer a Republican b/c now I am aware of what it really means to be one. And this new wave of neo-conservatism only re-enforces to me how wrong I was to ever think the being Republican was the way to go. But then again, I'm young, atleast I'm discovering my political affiliation for myself and not blindly following the crowd. Try doing that in Texas. As for John Ashcroft, unless you're a WASP or a conservative Jew, you will have no love for him.

And what does it really mean to be a republican?

Hmmm let's see, right now? Maybe it means blindly supporting the policies and ideologies of one man under the guise of patriotism. Maybe it means supporting the rich and big business. Maybe it means more gov. control. To me it meant a lot of things, a lot of negative things.

Right out of the Liberal Handbook - almost word for word :p
rolleye.gif

I think it paraphrases it perfectly, care to give me a "true" republicans take on it?

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Crimson
Free speech goes both ways.. Just as THEY have a right to express an opinion, we who disagree with them ALSO have a right to tell the world what we think of them and their opinion. I know this concept of there being 2 sides to free speech is new to you liberals, but... lets try to keep SOME sort of objectivity.

There was an interview with Madonna where she recently expressed an opinion similar to yours.. It went something like "Why should people be punished for their opinions.." Because thats how freedom works, you are free to express your opinion, and the consumer is free to not choose your product because of it. You liberals think you have the right to express your opinions without consequence.

Freedom of speech is working, its just not working the way YOU want it to.

Oh, and your rips of George Bush prove only one thing, there is no such thing as anti-war people, there are simply people who hate George Bush and use the anti-war effort to express it.. your true intentions shine through nice and bright.. The trouble with your opinion is that unfortunately most people don't agree with it, and it pisses you off..

Actually no. I was a volunteer for the Republican party during his election and even stood outside for hours in the freezing rain in Austin on election night only to have him send out George P. Bush to tell us that his uncle was not coming out. I supported him because my family is well off and he is all about helping those who don't need help, with tax cuts and stuff. I started to dislike Bush after 9/11 when we got to see what a monster John Ashcroft is and how the administration is filled with right wing, neo-conservative hawks. I don't hate Bush as that would mean I have mailicious feelings towards him. I just think he's an idiot. As for your astute observations about my political affiliations... you were wrong.


Yeah and I was Bill Clinton's intern... Lets get serious, if you truly feel that tax cuts help those that don't need help, you are not a Republican. So what it comes down to it seems you are upset about sitting in the rain for a couple hours only to find out you aren't a republican. The whole "John Ashcroft" argument is usually used by people who think black helicopters are flying around following them as well...

You're absolutely right, I am no longer a Republican b/c now I am aware of what it really means to be one. And this new wave of neo-conservatism only re-enforces to me how wrong I was to ever think the being Republican was the way to go. But then again, I'm young, atleast I'm discovering my political affiliation for myself and not blindly following the crowd. Try doing that in Texas. As for John Ashcroft, unless you're a WASP or a conservative Jew, you will have no love for him.

And what does it really mean to be a republican?

Hmmm let's see, right now? Maybe it means blindly supporting the policies and ideologies of one man under the guise of patriotism. Maybe it means supporting the rich and big business. Maybe it means more gov. control. To me it meant a lot of things, a lot of negative things.

Right out of the Liberal Handbook - almost word for word :p
rolleye.gif

I think it paraphrases it perfectly, care to give me a "true" republicans take on it?

Nope - cuz I'm not a "true" Republican ;) I agree with alot of their stances but I'm far from being a card carrying member....eerrrr...<looks at his voter registration card> oops guess I am a card carrying member. :p But seriously, I do disagree with quite a bit of Republican issues but I dissagree with them far less than I do with Democrats.

CkG
 

Crimson

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Hmmm let's see, right now? Maybe it means blindly supporting the policies and ideologies of one man under the guise of patriotism. Maybe it means supporting the rich and big business. Maybe it means more gov. control. To me it meant a lot of things, a lot of negative things.

Your hated becomes more evident with every post you make. Which all supports my claim that you are not anti-war, you are anti-Bush.
 

Crimson

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You're absolutely right, I am no longer a Republican b/c now I am aware of what it really means to be one. And this new wave of neo-conservatism only re-enforces to me how wrong I was to ever think the being Republican was the way to go. But then again, I'm young, atleast I'm discovering my political affiliation for myself and not blindly following the crowd. Try doing that in Texas. As for John Ashcroft, unless you're a WASP or a conservative Jew, you will have no love for him.

Yep.. blame the jews... now I am gonna label you a racist as well..