Disappointed with the Graphics of PS4 and Xbox One

[sze5003]

You should never base an opinion of a movie or game on mainly reviews. There have been games that scored crap scores and they were still enjoyable. Same as with movies.

 

[spaceman]

You should never base an opinion of a movie or game on mainly reviews. There have been games that scored crap scores and they were still enjoyable. Same as with movies.

i dont entirely
i dont either tie a sock around my head and ignore ppl who have taken the time to play and review something either

 

[cmdrdredd]

no.take metacritics word for it
or any number of places
u cited 3 mediocre games and a ftp fighter
for $1000+?
and people should listen to you?
k

People who actually play these games aren't blindly bashing them like paid reviewers who often are fanboys themselves of a particular company or series and the nobodies giving scores of 0 on metacritic.

 

[cmdrdredd]

i dont need and never needed to play a lousy game or a middling one
imma discriminating gamer
i use tools like the internet to come to conclusions about games and other medias
i assure u its a fairly deliberate process and prolly pretty similar to what most ppl do
just as i dont need to see the last airbendar to know its probably shit
i do not need to play a shooter which couldnt muster out of the 50s across the peoples of the world and some hack and slash that couldnt get above 60 for the same

The way you talk about games I would have pegged you as a disgruntled grandpa who thinks everything new obviously sucks. Hardly a gamer.

 

[spaceman]

The way you talk about games I would have pegged you as a disgruntled grandpa who thinks everything new obviously sucks. Hardly a gamer.

the problem is there is nothing new with these consoles
lo attacking me wont change it

 

[Wingznut]

take metacritics word for it or any number of places

Interesting. So, what scores should games get on metacritic before you can determine a console being worth purchase? And how many games need to have that score?

 

[spaceman]

Interesting. So, what scores should games get on metacritic before you can determine a console being worth purchase? And how many games need to have that score?

quite a few more than now

 

[smackababy]

the problem is there is nothing new with these consoles
lo attacking me wont change it

You heard it here first guys! There is nothing new with these consoles. Forza 5? Nope, not new at all. Killer Instinct? Exact replica of the beloved arcade game we played back in the 90s. Killzone? Not new at all! Ryse? That is interesting, because it isn't new IP.


PC Master Race always have the best arguments. It is like installing a graphics card to a MB reduces your IQ by 25% or something.

 

[Wingznut]

Interesting. So, what scores should games get on metacritic before you can determine a console being worth purchase? And how many games need to have that score?

quite a few more than now

I'm gonna need something more specific.
I have thought that I have been enjoying
gaming on my Xbox One over the last three
months, but apparently I am wrong.

So, in the future, I don't want
to make the same
mistake. Please tell me what scores
I need to see before
I
can justify
a purchase.

 

[spaceman]

yes more leading with the same examples that highlight the inferiority of the platform or the sameness.
its amusing but admittedly too easy to mock the consoles when they do a fine job on their own

 

[spaceman]

I'm gonna need something more specific.
I have thought that I have been enjoying
gaming on my Xbox One over the last three
months, but apparently I am wrong.

So, in the future, I don't want
to make the same
mistake. Please tell me what scores
I need to see before
I
can justify
a purchase.

itll probably be years
and price drops
and stunning pc releases later
maybe ill come back then?

 

[sze5003]

yes more leading with the same examples that highlight the inferiority of the platform or the sameness.
its amusing but admittedly too easy to mock the consoles when they do a fine job on their own

History repeats itself and so do games. There is no game right now that you can say is 100% unique to a play style that has not been used before in any other title. Obviously they are selling and it's not to people who dont have a high end pc either.

 

[smackababy]

yes more leading with the same examples that highlight the inferiority of the platform or the sameness.
its amusing but admittedly too easy to mock the consoles when they do a fine job on their own

What does this gobbledygook even mean? If the platform is so inferior, why do I enjoy playing games on it? Explain to me that!

 

[spaceman]

What does this gobbledygook even mean? If the platform is so inferior, why do I enjoy playing games on it? Explain to me that!

u like retrograde entertainment?
so u and ur ilk can define the exceptional by indulging in the mundane
u know
like a pop station.

 

[spaceman]

but thanks for the replies and personal attacks
sorry i hit a nerve lol

 

[cmdrdredd]

u like retrograde entertainment?
so u and ur ilk can define the exceptional by indulging in the mundane
u know
like a pop station.

I don't even...

 

[Fulle]

I have a good gaming PC, and a last gen console to compare my PS4 to, and I think it's performance is great for $400.

The PS4 doesn't outperform my main gaming rig, mainly due to CPU performance. Jaguar cores are very power efficient, and don't generate a lot of heat, but they're also very little cores, and they don't clock that high. A desktop CPU will generally be more powerful. This isn't usually going to be a problem, especially in single player games, but if you were in a multiplayer game with 50 people in an area, the CPU performance is going to be the limiting factor on FPS, IMHO.

GPU performance is great at this price point. You could argue that a 7850 with 2GB of GDDR5 could perform similarly in current games, and you'd be right... and they can be found for as little as 150 bucks if you find a good deal. But, on the other hand, a GPU in that performance range with access to 4GB of GDDR5, generally costs over $300. Consoles have less API overhead, and better optimization in general, meaning that a R9 270 would actually perform similarly, despite a slight MHz advantage, and a few more GPU cores. If you could find one, it'd cost about $200 (AMD's 180 price never will exist on the actual market), but most manufacturers don't sell those. They sell R9 270X cards instead, which cost roughly 250 bucks. And that'd still just put you about on par with PS4 graphics performance, with less available VRAM.

I personally think it's difficult to match PS4 graphics performance in a sub $700 gaming build. Trying to do it, factoring in a legit OS install (not pirated or Linux), Bluray, WiFi card, and 7870 or better GPU, with a i3 2120 or better (so the CPU won't be a big bottlneck), isn't realistic. Then try to do it in a good looking small form factor MiniITX case.

You can't.

On the other hand, most people need a PC for other tasks, and you can buy a 750Ti and drop it into pretty much any desktop and get superior to Xbox One graphics performance. It's a Dell system with a 300w power supply? Doesn't matter, with the Maxwell power efficiency improvements, this little guy doesn't even need an additional power hookup from a 6pin, just drop it into the card slot, install a driver, and bam! You're playing Titanfall with better settings than an Xbox user, more smoothly, and it only cost you 150 bucks.

But then, if you wanted to drag that system out of your office, and hook it into the HDTV in your living room.... you're going to have a bad time. The OS isn't designed for a controller, and you'll end up using some wireless keyboard with a trackpad or something. It'll be clumsy. The fonts will be small and hard to read, and none of your applications will be easy to use. You'll squint at your netflix, and you're GF will think you're a huge nerd.

While PC's have clear advantages, with flexibility in hardware, modding, and even cost effectiveness, it's consoles that are actually designed for the living room gaming experience. That's what they're for.

I can can browse a Youtube vid on my tablet, and send it to my PS4's browser, and listen through my controller. Netflix performance is better than any of my other non-pc devices. Everything in the UI is designed to be easily navigated with the wireless controller. The games update themselves (downloading updates in standby even), and the overall experience is just easy. Games run at settings similar to PC high settings at (usually) 1080p with FXAA. It just makes sense to use the PS4 in my living room.

Now, that's before even considering exclusives, which right now, aren't the best. I don't know if The Order is going to be good, or Infamous, and I don't even care. I look at a mountain of PS3 exclusives, with titles like Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's Souls, God of War III, and The Last of Us, and I feel really really re-assured that the PS4 will get important exclusives that I won't be able to play on my PC.

If you're a console only gamer, I pity you. No mods , or MOBAs, or RTS games, or city builders? Gross. But at the same time, if you can just ignore the mountain of great console exclusives, and just pretend they don't exist.... That's a darn sorry state of gamer existence to me too.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If you're a console only gamer, I pity you. No mods , or MOBAs, or RTS games, or city builders? Gross. But at the same time, if you can just ignore the mountain of great console exclusives, and just pretend they don't exist.... That's a darn sorry state of gamer existence to me too.

A lot of mods break the core game, MOBAs are utter garbage IMO, I don't care about RTS games, and sim city? I quit playing that back in 1999.

 

[Lil Frier]

I agree with a lot of that. I couldn't stand LoL or DotA2. I have never been big on strategy games, though I am hoping a decent one goes on-sale during the next Steam sale, just for something different to do when I want. SimCity, I never cared about to begin with.

Mods, I've never really messed with. I'll check some out if/when I get Skyrim and Fallout 3 and/or New Vegas on Steam, depending on what is there. I'm not sure if you mean "break the core game" from the perspective of actually making it run poorly, or if you just mean that the game feels too different from the originally-intended product to like mods a lot, but both are valid points.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I agree with a lot of that. I couldn't stand LoL or DotA2. I have never been big on strategy games, though I am hoping a decent one goes on-sale during the next Steam sale, just for something different to do when I want. SimCity, I never cared about to begin with.

Mods, I've never really messed with. I'll check some out if/when I get Skyrim and Fallout 3 and/or New Vegas on Steam, depending on what is there. I'm not sure if you mean "break the core game" from the perspective of actually making it run poorly, or if you just mean that the game feels too different from the originally-intended product to like mods a lot, but both are valid points.

No, some mods can break certain quest lines, introduce things that ruin the canon atmosphere, change the textures without backing up first and you can ruin the install directory if you aren't careful, stuff like that. It depends on the mod, and sometimes if you add a mod them remove it you can ruin your game save if you don't backup. You just have to be careful. I once had too many mods running and it crashed Skyrim so I started removing a couple, I didn't backup my save and ended up getting stuck in a quest that could not be completed since it removed an NPC when I removed a mod. I didn't have any idea what mod the quest was from but it was annoying to see the arrow pointing me to something that wasn't there. It was my fault but even so it is something you have to be aware of.

 

[Fulle]

@cmdrdredd

The most popular competitive online game in the world right now, is a MOBA. If you don't appreciate them, that doesn't mean others don't.

I'm not a huge player of city builders on their own, but some of my favorite games had city building elements. For example, Black and White 2. Writing off an entire genre of games, isn't usually a good idea.

 

[cmdrdredd]

@cmdrdredd

The most popular competitive online game in the world right now, is a MOBA. If you don't appreciate them, that doesn't mean others don't.

I'm not a huge player of city builders on their own, but some of my favorite games had city building elements. For example, Black and White 2. Writing off an entire genre of games, isn't usually a good idea.

There are millions of people who don't give a crap about them though. You act like everyone should care. lol

Popularity doesn't mean a thing when it comes to personal opinions. Most people playing games on consoles don't care what people do on a PC.

 

[Majcric]

Yeah cause every game looks like CoD with a decade old engine. I am not saying ganes cant loom better i am saying that games on consoles dont always look like crap like you and many elitists want to believe.

PC Elitist? uh no, I just call it like I see it. I never said all games look bad on the 360, but a lot of them do. (to my eyes) Fighters and platformers look decent. But when you get into large open world games they push the hardware for all its worth and then there become too many compromises.

You and another member turned this into a PC vs console debate. I simply posted I hope the PS4 has graphics that are satisfying to me as the 360 does not.

 

[Fulle]

There are millions of people who don't give a crap about them though. You act like everyone should care. lol

Popularity doesn't mean a thing when it comes to personal opinions. Most people playing games on consoles don't care what people do on a PC.

I was pointing out that the PC offers gaming experiences not available on consoles. No matter what your preferences, I'm sure there are going to be something your missing out on, and the "Lol" there, is at YOU, for not realizing that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I was pointing out that the PC offers gaming experiences not available on consoles. No matter what your preferences, I'm sure there are going to be something your missing out on, and the "Lol" there, is at YOU, for not realizing that.

It is? Because I don't care about those types of games? That's great you think so...

You're only missing out if you actually cared about it in the first place. Otherwise you aren't missing anything and could go on as if it never existed.