Disappointed with the Graphics of PS4 and Xbox One

[showb1z]

The Last of Us, Bravely Default, Ni no Kuni, Tales of Graces f, and Super Mario 3D World look so much better on PC and play so much better with a mouse. Cosoles suck!

Haha, you sure told 'em!
Am I supposed to list a bunch of PC-exclusives now or something?

I didn't expect to see these reddit-level discussions around here.

 

[Wingznut]

Haha, you sure told 'em!
Am I supposed to list a bunch of PC-exclusives now or something?

I'm confused why we are debating Consoles vs PC in the umm... Console Gaming forum.

 

[Sulaco]

Haha, you sure told 'em!
Am I supposed to list a bunch of PC-exclusives now or something?

I didn't expect to see these reddit-level discussions around here.

The point, which should be clear to anyone not looking to troll, is that there is no one catch all platform if you have broad tastes and truly want to play the best games.

 

[Fulle]

If you go back in the thread you will see the point.

Anyone who says console games are unplayable and look like crap because PC...is full of crap.

In my original post, if anything, I suggested that the PS4 has a really good price to performance ratio compared to what you can get in a mid range gaming PC right now... and said I thought it has better usability in a living room environment... AND I pointed out that the platform would enjoy a lot of good exclusive content.

I just wasn't completely ignoring other platform advantages like they don't exist. Every platform has it's pros and cons.

 

[Arkaign]

The point, which should be clear to anyone not looking to troll, is that there is no one catch all platform if you have broad tastes and truly want to play the best games.

As I have said over and over and over Observing flaws of PC (lack of console exclusives, confusing to use for some, easy to spend loads of $$ on, lacking in certain game types) and of consoles (hardware can be limiting over time, lacking in certain game types) does not make one a troll.

Someone who prefers one way to the point of exclusivity is not wrong if they're having fun.

Someone who plays both because there are things that genuinely are better on a specific platform are not wrong either.

Someone who disses one side completely without honestly looking at all the pros/cons is silly.

With all the specs/ghz/etc that are going to be talked about endlessly, we may as well push the VERY valid point that none of that matters to a person's fun factor if they are satisfied with the game in front of them at any given time. Would a person have more fun if the version was superior? Maybe, maybe not. Do I personally prefer the best version available? Yes, but I'm also not a hypocrite. If a great game (The Last of Us), is on a system that is rather spectacularly weaker than my gaming PC, I'm not going to dump on it. Sure, the resolution isn't that great, it's not very smooth, but the acting, audio, art direction, sound, and overall polish is exceptional, and in the top 1% of games ever made. And hell, I play games on retro consoles ALL the time, and don't gaf that they're not 4000p/120fps with gigabit textures

It's important to acknowledge that this gen is different than the last gen though. PS3/360 were REALLY exciting because they pushed graphics very VERY far. Both Sony and Microsoft took giant risks on them, with bleeding edge GPUs and a very high level of performance. I can only imagine what would have been possible had they gone with 1GB of ram, as I understand the ~half gig on them really hobbled them a bit over time (constant loading from disc/drive). PS4 and especially XB1 though, are extremely mediocre in hardware. Perhaps the most 'blah' ever in horsepower and capability. Devs will improve with them, but they're not starting out with alien technology, they're starting out with hardware that's fairly well understood to begin with, and the specs just aren't that great. To put it in perspective, if the hardware were set to PC equivalents, it would be like the XB1 launching in 2012 with a 290X, a full year before they were actually available in a similar fashion, with 4GB of memory, and a 760K Athlon @ 4Ghz. The kind of system that COULD do 4K on AAA games with the right coding.

I can see why they didn't go that route. The reasons are very numerous. A lot of people just don't care, who would be just fine playing 360/PS3 for another ten years for new releases. They also didn't make much money AT ALL with PS360 gen due to RROD, very high system costs at the beginning, combined with heavy investments in licensing, etc. With an absolute fraction of the attachment rate, the Wii era saw Nintendo gain more profits by far than the PS3 and 360 had COMBINED. With specs about as exciting as a cardboard box.

But the way they build these new systems guarantees two things : (1)- They can afford to slash prices pretty quickly, in the event of a sudden need to be more competitive, and (2)- They will age pretty quickly as well during the rise of 4K, with the XB1 being most seriously affected, and the PS4 really not that much better anyway.

I foresee a great generation of gaming, similar to the PS2/XBOG era, with VERY competitive pricing and awesome value for the consoles, and a vibrant PC gaming side as well (even more so thanks to x86-GCN). We'll see more cross-platform gamers than ever before, which is great. PC-only gamers need to acknowledge the brilliance of exclusive titles like SM3DW, TLOU, etc, and Console-only gamers will have to acknowledge the awesome power gap that will only get bigger with time. Check back on this thread in 3 years and see if I'm wrong. I won't be. Great games galore will still flood the consoles, and spectacular things will be on PC as well.

 

[cmdrdredd]

In my original post, if anything, I suggested that the PS4 has a really good price to performance ratio compared to what you can get in a mid range gaming PC right now... and said I thought it has better usability in a living room environment... AND I pointed out that the platform would enjoy a lot of good exclusive content.

I just wasn't completely ignoring other platform advantages like they don't exist. Every platform has it's pros and cons.

Yep...but many times for me the cons aren't that big of a deal for me anyway. Drivers? For me it's a non-issue and it's only 2 minutes and a couple mouse clicks to update if I have to. Lower Graphics? Doesn't make a game not fun. Mouse doesn't work right for some games? Plug in my PS4 controller with 3rd party drivers or just get the console version depending on the title and what I expect out of it.

Most of the little things that might be called issues either way, are really not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Fulle]

The lines are blurring.

On the PC end, it's easier to install the pre-requisite hardware and drivers than it ever was. You have decent controller support in most multiplatform games, if you prefer that to keyboard+mouse, and we have things like Steam Big picture mode. If you purchase games through services like Steam, they'll also patch themselves for you, or may offer cloud saves.

On the PS4/Xbox One - They have more full featured web browsers, can multi-task better, have video content delivery apps, and have more social networking and sharing options. More games are supporting keyboard and mouse as a control scheme too.

PCs gaming is getting some of the advantages console gaming had consoles are getting advantages that PC had.

I've noticed that some of my PS4 games even are including some user configurable graphics settings. Like being able to turn off Motion Blur, or Depth of Field. Tweaking graphics settings in small ways might become more of a norm soon, on the Xbox One and PS4.

 

[showb1z]

The point, which should be clear to anyone not looking to troll, is that there is no one catch all platform if you have broad tastes and truly want to play the best games.

Clear as rain. These discussions are futile and never lead to anything.
If you have money to spend, just get the systems you deem worthy of your time. It's not like gaming is an expensive passtime.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

We are in transition. Devs need to make games to work on XBone and the 360. Obviously, things on the XBone will suffer to some extent. Only games designed specifically for the XBone should be used for comparison.

So, no comparing NBA2K14. If you want to compare, compare the new Forze to the last one on the 360. Do comparisons more akin to this.

 

[cmdrdredd]

We are in transition. Devs need to make games to work on XBone and the 360. Obviously, things on the XBone will suffer to some extent. Only games designed specifically for the XBone should be used for comparison.

So, no comparing NBA2K14. If you want to compare, compare the new Forze to the last one on the 360. Do comparisons more akin to this.

Why not NBA 2k14? The engine is completely redesigned for the PS4 and XB1 consoles.

 

[Wingznut]

So, no comparing NBA2K14. If you want to compare, compare the new Forze to the last one on the 360. Do comparisons more akin to this.

Why not NBA 2k14? The engine is completely redesigned for the PS4 and XB1 consoles.

Yeah, NBA 2k14 is an excellent comparison to see the difference.

 

[zerocool84]

Yeah, NBA 2k14 is an excellent comparison to see the difference.

And that's just first gen, once they get the hang of the new consoles, they'll look awesome.

 

[sze5003]

Yea kind of like how gta 5 and last of us looked on ps3. I just hope it's before the end of the life of the new systems.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah, NBA 2k14 is an excellent comparison to see the difference.

which lebron is 360 and which is x1? those look nearly identical.

 

[sze5003]

which lebron is 360 and which is x1? those look nearly identical.

Ps4 version / Xbox 1 version on the right.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Ps4 version / Xbox 1 version on the right.

That's...interesting. I was going to say 360 on left / X1 on right....

 

[HeXen]

You have to zoom in and circle the differences in red and then make sure to draw arrows to the pixels. That way fanbois can have fun

 

[cmdrdredd]

Which one is 1080p though?

 

[zerocool84]

which lebron is 360 and which is x1? those look nearly identical.

It's pretty easy to notice the difference between the two.

 

[sze5003]

Lol yea both systems do a pretty good job with nba. The ps4 version is a bit brighter.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Lol yea both systems do a pretty good job with nba. The ps4 version is a bit brighter.

The Xbox is notoriously dark in comparison to PlayStation titles. This carried over from 360.

 

[Tweak155]

which lebron is 360 and which is x1? those look nearly identical.

Thought I was the only one... I had to blow it up to figure it out.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Ps4 version / Xbox 1 version on the right.

It took a minute but eventually I figured out the right was XBone just because of face detail.

To answer an earlier question, the problem is that the artwork is from a common library. the big difference is that the XBone has higher res textures with better compression.

I'd be happy if these next gen consoles had outdated graphics and 10x more powerful AI and better control systems.

The images being produced by new gen and last gen systems don't deviate all that much. Sure they are better but does it even matter?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

It's pretty easy to notice the difference between the two.

Crisper tattoos and better looking face if you look at specific details of the face. The face as a whole though is not largely better.

 

[purbeast0]

i was being 100% sarcastic with my comment.

it is clear as day which version is which. i question anyone's vision who cannot see a night/day difference between the two, especially when at their original resolution.

in motion it's even more obvious.