Disappointed with the Graphics of PS4 and Xbox One

[Fulle]

It is? Because I don't care about those types of games? That's great you think so...

You're only missing out if you actually cared about it in the first place. Otherwise you aren't missing anything and could go on as if it never existed.

The gaming rig you have in your sig suggests you're arguing as a devil's advocate here, but I'm not really sure on what point you're trying to make. If this isn't intentional trolling, you're going to have to be more clear on what you're getting at.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The gaming rig you have in your sig suggests you're arguing as a devil's advocate here, but I'm not really sure on what point you're trying to make. If this isn't intentional trolling, you're going to have to be more clear on what you're getting at.

Since I have SLI it means I have to play MMO, MOBA, RTS, and such? No...not even close. There's a great thing called choice and I choose not to play those because they aren't something I am interested in playing and just don't like.

I play Action games, adventure games, RPGs, FPS games, some sports games, some racing games, fighting games, and platformers. I choose to play certain games on PC for my own reasons. Those aren't limited to just graphics or mods at all. I am also very satisfied with the PS4 and XB1 and think they will only get better and it isn't a shun toward my PC or PC gaming to think so.

 

[Fulle]

Since I have SLI it means I have to play MMO, MOBA, RTS, and such? No...not even close.

There's a great thing called choice and I choose not to play those because they aren't something I am interested in playing and just don't like.

I play Action games, adventure games, RPGs, FPS games, some sports games, some racing games, fighting games, and platformers.

Within the scope of the type of games you play, there's PC exclusive games, and multiplatform games where the PC version has strong advantages.

Are you sure you're not trolling right now?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Within the scope of the type of games you play, there's PC exclusive games, and multiplatform games where the PC version has strong advantages.

Are you sure you're not trolling right now?

Did you read?

Let me quote myself since you probably missed it and are full of your own ramblings. Read it then ask yourself the same question...

I choose to play certain games on PC for my own reasons. Those aren't limited to just graphics or mods at all. I am also very satisfied with the PS4 and XB1 and think they will only get better and it isn't a shun toward my PC or PC gaming to think so.

Let me draw an example. I bought Tomb Raider in 2013 for PC because of TressFX, I bought Skyrim way back when it released on PC because I wanted to play with a mouse, same for Bioshock Infinite and Dishonored and Thief. I bought Titanfall on XB1 because it will inevitably have a larger community and have more longevity(graphics didn't even cross my mind on this).

 

[Fulle]

You edited your post after my reply.

 

[Fulle]

So basically you just dropped a statement about how heavily PC exclusive genres and mods are "garbage", where I was just trying to point out that the PC platform has a lot of worthwhile gaming experiences that console gamers won't have.

It does seem like you're being needlessly argumentative. Ironically, your gaming habits are similar to mine, in terms of multiplatform games.

 

[cmdrdredd]

So basically you just dropped a statement about how heavily PC exclusive genres and mods are "garbage", where I was just trying to point out that the PC platform has a lot of worthwhile gaming experiences that console gamers won't have.

It does seem like you're being needlessly argumentative. Ironically, your gaming habits are similar to mine, in terms of multiplatform games.

The games that PC gets that console doesn't...mostly are not games I even bother to look at.

Nothing has changed since I made my comments.

 

[Arkaign]

I have a good gaming PC, and a last gen console to compare my PS4 to, and I think it's performance is great for $400.

The PS4 doesn't outperform my main gaming rig, mainly due to CPU performance. Jaguar cores are very power efficient, and don't generate a lot of heat, but they're also very little cores, and they don't clock that high. A desktop CPU will generally be more powerful. This isn't usually going to be a problem, especially in single player games, but if you were in a multiplayer game with 50 people in an area, the CPU performance is going to be the limiting factor on FPS, IMHO.

GPU performance is great at this price point. You could argue that a 7850 with 2GB of GDDR5 could perform similarly in current games, and you'd be right... and they can be found for as little as 150 bucks if you find a good deal. But, on the other hand, a GPU in that performance range with access to 4GB of GDDR5, generally costs over $300. Consoles have less API overhead, and better optimization in general, meaning that a R9 270 would actually perform similarly, despite a slight MHz advantage, and a few more GPU cores. If you could find one, it'd cost about $200 (AMD's 180 price never will exist on the actual market), but most manufacturers don't sell those. They sell R9 270X cards instead, which cost roughly 250 bucks. And that'd still just put you about on par with PS4 graphics performance, with less available VRAM.

I personally think it's difficult to match PS4 graphics performance in a sub $700 gaming build. Trying to do it, factoring in a legit OS install (not pirated or Linux), Bluray, WiFi card, and 7870 or better GPU, with a i3 2120 or better (so the CPU won't be a big bottlneck), isn't realistic. Then try to do it in a good looking small form factor MiniITX case.

You can't.

On the other hand, most people need a PC for other tasks, and you can buy a 750Ti and drop it into pretty much any desktop and get superior to Xbox One graphics performance. It's a Dell system with a 300w power supply? Doesn't matter, with the Maxwell power efficiency improvements, this little guy doesn't even need an additional power hookup from a 6pin, just drop it into the card slot, install a driver, and bam! You're playing Titanfall with better settings than an Xbox user, more smoothly, and it only cost you 150 bucks.

But then, if you wanted to drag that system out of your office, and hook it into the HDTV in your living room.... you're going to have a bad time. The OS isn't designed for a controller, and you'll end up using some wireless keyboard with a trackpad or something. It'll be clumsy. The fonts will be small and hard to read, and none of your applications will be easy to use. You'll squint at your netflix, and you're GF will think you're a huge nerd.

While PC's have clear advantages, with flexibility in hardware, modding, and even cost effectiveness, it's consoles that are actually designed for the living room gaming experience. That's what they're for.

I can can browse a Youtube vid on my tablet, and send it to my PS4's browser, and listen through my controller. Netflix performance is better than any of my other non-pc devices. Everything in the UI is designed to be easily navigated with the wireless controller. The games update themselves (downloading updates in standby even), and the overall experience is just easy. Games run at settings similar to PC high settings at (usually) 1080p with FXAA. It just makes sense to use the PS4 in my living room.

Now, that's before even considering exclusives, which right now, aren't the best. I don't know if The Order is going to be good, or Infamous, and I don't even care. I look at a mountain of PS3 exclusives, with titles like Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's Souls, God of War III, and The Last of Us, and I feel really really re-assured that the PS4 will get important exclusives that I won't be able to play on my PC.

If you're a console only gamer, I pity you. No mods , or MOBAs, or RTS games, or city builders? Gross. But at the same time, if you can just ignore the mountain of great console exclusives, and just pretend they don't exist.... That's a darn sorry state of gamer existence to me too.

This is pretty well thought out. I'm not going to miss out on any console games or PC games that come through that interest me. I always choose the best platform available, and there is enough stuff out there that playing something for years holds zero interest for me.

The big thing is that with 20nm coming (and beyond), this gen of consoles with XB1/PS4 is going to get seriously old school in 3-4 years at most. Single-card 4K is coming at a reasonable price point. Probably 2016-2017 at the latest for a card @ $200 that can do that, and probably next year at $300ish. And that will probably put things about where they were for pre-PS4/XB1 release, where the PS3/360 versions were passable, but games on decent engines looked 8 million times better on PC (eg; BF3 at 1440p on Ultra w/AA vs. the limited console versions). The sad thing is that x86/GCN won't have the kind of massive improvements over time that the PS360 had either. It's much more of a known quantity, there are some very hard limits, most especially with regards to the CPU side of things.

It's not the end of the world. With the price drops coming up pretty soon for the XB1, and probably next year for the PS4 (+ 2nd round price drops for XB1), the consoles present a fantastic gaming value. And there will be tons of great games for them that simply won't ever see the PC side of things. I also really like a lot of PC games, and certain genres I just refuse to play on a console because I don't enjoy them. It doesn't mean I think they're crap or anything, just completely not for me.

But yeah, in 2.5-3 years, when Titanfall 2 comes out, I'll be running in 4K with ultra details, and my PS4 won't get fired up beyond naughty dog releases and the odd cool game that comes through that isn't on PC.

 

[Fulle]

The games that PC gets that console doesn't...mostly are not games I even bother to look at.

Nothing has changed since I made my comments.

OK, so you apparently don't mod your games, only play AAA multiplatform stuff, and when you go with the PC version it's due to keyboard + mouse support, and your gaming rig's performance advantage (extra effects like TressFX).

With the performance gap closed with the new consoles released, and more games supporting keyboard and mouse, someone with that sort of gaming habits would need a gaming PC less right now, for sure.

Odd on the TressFX comment tho. That's an AMD exclusive feature... not that the PC version wouldn't still be better to play anyway, though, with the higher FPS and how the keyboard and mouse made the bow a real joy to use.

 

[Majcric]

This is pretty well thought out. I'm not going to miss out on any console games or PC games that come through that interest me. I always choose the best platform available, and there is enough stuff out there that playing something for years holds zero interest for me.

The big thing is that with 20nm coming (and beyond), this gen of consoles with XB1/PS4 is going to get seriously old school in 3-4 years at most. Single-card 4K is coming at a reasonable price point. Probably 2016-2017 at the latest for a card @ $200 that can do that, and probably next year at $300ish. And that will probably put things about where they were for pre-PS4/XB1 release, where the PS3/360 versions were passable, but games on decent engines looked 8 million times better on PC (eg; BF3 at 1440p on Ultra w/AA vs. the limited console versions). The sad thing is that x86/GCN won't have the kind of massive improvements over time that the PS360 had either. It's much more of a known quantity, there are some very hard limits, most especially with regards to the CPU side of things.

It's not the end of the world. With the price drops coming up pretty soon for the XB1, and probably next year for the PS4 (+ 2nd round price drops for XB1), the consoles present a fantastic gaming value. And there will be tons of great games for them that simply won't ever see the PC side of things. I also really like a lot of PC games, and certain genres I just refuse to play on a console because I don't enjoy them. It doesn't mean I think they're crap or anything, just completely not for me.

But yeah, in 2.5-3 years, when Titanfall 2 comes out, I'll be running in 4K with ultra details, and my PS4 won't get fired up beyond naughty dog releases and the odd cool game that comes through that isn't on PC.

I'll Second this

 

[cmdrdredd]

OK, so you apparently don't mod your games, only play AAA multiplatform stuff, and when you go with the PC version it's due to keyboard + mouse support, and your gaming rig's performance advantage (extra effects like TressFX).

With the performance gap closed with the new consoles released, and more games supporting keyboard and mouse, someone with that sort of gaming habits would need a gaming PC less right now, for sure.

Odd on the TressFX comment tho. That's an AMD exclusive feature... not that the PC version wouldn't still be better to play anyway, though, with the higher FPS and how the keyboard and mouse made the bow a real joy to use.

TressFX works across every GPU. Also I specifically mentioned I modded skyrim before but maintain that it was not the reason for getting it on PC(when the game comes out there are no mods).

This is pretty well thought out. I'm not going to miss out on any console games or PC games that come through that interest me. I always choose the best platform available, and there is enough stuff out there that playing something for years holds zero interest for me.

The big thing is that with 20nm coming (and beyond), this gen of consoles with XB1/PS4 is going to get seriously old school in 3-4 years at most. Single-card 4K is coming at a reasonable price point. Probably 2016-2017 at the latest for a card @ $200 that can do that, and probably next year at $300ish. And that will probably put things about where they were for pre-PS4/XB1 release, where the PS3/360 versions were passable, but games on decent engines looked 8 million times better on PC (eg; BF3 at 1440p on Ultra w/AA vs. the limited console versions). The sad thing is that x86/GCN won't have the kind of massive improvements over time that the PS360 had either. It's much more of a known quantity, there are some very hard limits, most especially with regards to the CPU side of things.

It's not the end of the world. With the price drops coming up pretty soon for the XB1, and probably next year for the PS4 (+ 2nd round price drops for XB1), the consoles present a fantastic gaming value. And there will be tons of great games for them that simply won't ever see the PC side of things. I also really like a lot of PC games, and certain genres I just refuse to play on a console because I don't enjoy them. It doesn't mean I think they're crap or anything, just completely not for me.

But yeah, in 2.5-3 years, when Titanfall 2 comes out, I'll be running in 4K with ultra details, and my PS4 won't get fired up beyond naughty dog releases and the odd cool game that comes through that isn't on PC.

You are assuming of course that 4k displays are actually affordable and are of good quality by then. Just like I don't trust cheap 1080p displays to be of significant quality I too wouldn't trust cheap 4k displays.

 

[Majcric]

TressFX works across every GPU. Also I specifically mentioned I modded skyrim before but maintain that it was not the reason for getting it on PC(when the game comes out there are no mods).



You are assuming of course that 4k displays are actually affordable and are of good quality by then. Just like I don't trust cheap 1080p displays to be of significant quality I too wouldn't trust cheap 4k displays.

Dell already has 1 affordable and Asus is working on one. Others will follow

 

[Fulle]

@cmdrdredd

Oh, it does seem that there was a PATCH to make TressFX compatible with Nvidia GPUs. When Tomb Raider first came out, that wasn't the case.

Yes, you mentioned you modded Skyrim, but in the same breath you said you don't like moding, and that it wasn't a deciding factor. So, simplifying things to "you don't mod" in that statement, wasn't that inaccurate.

See, this is why I think you're trolling. Instead of saying something to try to help illustrate a specific point, you're more so nit picking what people say on a line by line basis.

Like with Arkaign now. What are you even getting on about? Monitor resolution is very often a PC platform advantage. We can already get somewhat affordable 1440p displays, which....

Unless you're insane, you probably OWN. You seem to like nice things, with your dual pricey videocards, Sennheiser PC 360 headset, and other such examples. I don't believe you, that you have a 1080p monitor.

Since if you own a 1440p or better monitor, it doesn't make sense to tell Arkaign that 4k displays might not be affordable in 3 years. Since his point of a PC gaming platform resolution advantage would still be valid regardless. It's a triviality.

So you're trolling today, clearly.

 

[HeXen]

But yeah, in 2.5-3 years, when Titanfall 2 comes out, I'll be running in 4K with ultra details, and my PS4 won't get fired up beyond naughty dog releases and the odd cool game that comes through that isn't on PC.

Historically that was true for me except for the fact that by the time that point reaches, I had already upgraded my graphics card a couple of times and by the second time it was usually time for a complete upgrade. If I couldn't play all my games maxed out then I never found any real meaning in messing with it cause from there it was usually me spending quite some time trying out new drivers, new game configs, spending hours seeking through to find the best mods (if any exist) and learning how to integrate as some differ.

When the PS3 came out, I think I had a 7800GTX/AMD 4000 by the time PS4 came out, i had a 6800GTX after 2 other GPU's (280gtx and 580gtx) and on my 3rd CPU up to the i7 and still couldn't get much more than 45fps in Metro LL. During that time I purchased about 4 PC games that didn't play right and took some doing or time to get working. So yeah I surpassed my PS3 in graphical enhancements but I also had purchased several fold the horsepower just to achieve that. Just sucks sometimes and gaming priorities can change.

 

[Majcric]

Why did you upgrade so often? You could have just turned down the settings. You do realize that going an all console route the developers is going to do that for you. There's no magic that make the consoles get stronger and stronger after the first 2 to 3 years. This is when compromising starts, maybe you're lucky and don't notice the tradeoffs. Idk.

 

[Arkaign]

Historically that was true for me except for the fact that by the time that point reaches, I had already upgraded my graphics card a couple of times and by the second time it was usually time for a complete upgrade. If I couldn't play all my games maxed out then I never found any real meaning in messing with it cause from there it was usually me spending quite some time trying out new drivers, new game configs, spending hours seeking through to find the best mods (if any exist) and learning how to integrate as some differ.

When the PS3 came out, I think I had a 7800GTX/AMD 4000 by the time PS4 came out, i had a 6800GTX after 2 other GPU's (280gtx and 580gtx) and on my 3rd CPU up to the i7 and still couldn't get much more than 45fps in Metro LL. During that time I purchased about 4 PC games that didn't play right and took some doing or time to get working. So yeah I surpassed my PS3 in graphical enhancements but I also had purchased several fold the horsepower just to achieve that. Just sucks sometimes and gaming priorities can change.

That's all true, and I think it comes down to a combination of two things really :

PS360 gen was VERY high spec for the time (aside from total memory size). In an era of mostly single-core CPUs, they launched with top-end or nearly top-end GPUs. It would be like today launching with a console variant of a 780ti or 290X.

And

PC gamers (for good reason) usually like to run games at their native screen resolution with high details and some AA. Much of the time an older card can run newer titles at PS360 resolutions with medium details and no/low AA. But trying to run them at 2+ million pixels with higher detail/AA than the PS360 variants run at makes the comparison difficult. There's no question that the lower-overhead consoles can do more with less, or that the best console titles, even if not perfect (AA is usually the first thing to be left on the drawing room table) still look pretty good imho, but too often we see odd comparisons.

I have a friend with not much $$ at all, and I upgraded his 2006 Q6600 to an old 8800GT I had from eons ago, and he plays at 1280x720 with most new games at decent settings, which is about PS360 resolution for most things. Hell, games like BF3 actually run better on there by a pretty good margin than they did on the last-gen consoles.

All of it is a bit academic though. I will still want to play things like TLOU/etc on console, and things like BF4/etc on PC. I don't think one is necessarily better .. at the end of the day the only thing that matters is if you're having fun or not. It's easy to ramble on and on about specs this and numbers that, but what's the point if it's not fun?

 

[cmdrdredd]

@cmdrdredd

Oh, it does seem that there was a PATCH to make TressFX compatible with Nvidia GPUs. When Tomb Raider first came out, that wasn't the case.

Yes, you mentioned you modded Skyrim, but in the same breath you said you don't like moding, and that it wasn't a deciding factor. So, simplifying things to "you don't mod" in that statement, wasn't that inaccurate.

See, this is why I think you're trolling. Instead of saying something to try to help illustrate a specific point, you're more so nit picking what people say on a line by line basis.

Like with Arkaign now. What are you even getting on about? Monitor resolution is very often a PC platform advantage. We can already get somewhat affordable 1440p displays, which....

Unless you're insane, you probably OWN. You seem to like nice things, with your dual pricey videocards, Sennheiser PC 360 headset, and other such examples. I don't believe you, that you have a 1080p monitor.

Since if you own a 1440p or better monitor, it doesn't make sense to tell Arkaign that 4k displays might not be affordable in 3 years. Since his point of a PC gaming platform resolution advantage would still be valid regardless. It's a triviality.

So you're trolling today, clearly.

It's in my sig...which tells me you don't even read the forum properly. This is called the Console Games forum and this thread is a massive troll post anyway. I like my PC but my god...some of the stuff people use as arguments against consoles are just silly.

Also a $1000 monitor is not what I consider affordable...not close. I'd never spend that much on a PC monitor. A TV yes, monitor no...a 4kTV? No...i expect to pay much more for a quality screen with good electronics inside.

 

[Lil Frier]

The games that PC gets that console doesn't...mostly are not games I even bother to look at.

Nothing has changed since I made my comments.

I'm with you. It's hard to get me excited for indie stuff. On top of that, I'll never pay for an Early Access game, so even if something like DayZ interests me, the fact that it's Early Access means I won't touch it on ANY platform.

I can't think of a major PC exclusive released in the past 5 years that I care about. Beyond WoW expansions, everything I play on PC is either:

A. An old game I never got to play before (Deus Ex, Max Payne)
B. A game I didn't really want, but my friend conned me into (L4D2, CS:GO)
C. Something I only got because Humble Bundles are cheap (Sanctum 2, Monaco)
D. A multi-platform title that was significantly cheaper on PC (Dishonored GotY, Metro: Last Light)

When price is equal, I'll almost always pick my 360 (or a One, in the future). My PC is used from my bed, so most everything is played with a wired controller on PC, making online games tough to compete in on PC, so I go console. PC exclusives are too often just indie/Early Access stuff, and it never really interests me. Oh, then we have the uninteresting MOBAs a sub-par MMOs I don't care about.

 

[Fulle]

It's in my sig...which tells me you don't even read the forum properly. This is called the Console Games forum and this thread is a massive troll post anyway. I like my PC but my god...some of the stuff people use as arguments against consoles are just silly.

Also a $1000 monitor is not what I consider affordable...not close. I'd never spend that much on a PC monitor. A TV yes, monitor no...a 4kTV? No...i expect to pay much more for a quality screen with good electronics inside.

You know that I wasn't trying to definitively say that you have to like this or that genre of game to be missing out by discounting the PC platform. It was more of an attempt of illustrating some examples of gaming experiences on the platform that aren't on consoles. Even playing a multiplatform AAA game on a PC may be significantly different, due to control scheme differences, and PC performance advantages. Which you later admitted, with some of your own examples.

See, I can tell when someone doesn't even agree with themselves, and is making a comment for the sole sake of being irritating. I never really believed you actually disagreed with me.

On the point of your monitor, I just glanced at your sig. Glanced. I didn't google things in it component by component. You and I know that you don't matter to me nearly enough to do such a thing. Why would I do that? For the monitor model, I didn't recognize it, since the people I know imported Qnix monitors instead. I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but figure I'll be purchasing something like that next year with a new graphics card (waiting on 22nm).

I was right, though. You weren't trying to illustrate a larger point, you were just making irritating comments for the sake of it. You indeed were an owner of a 1440p monitor, arguing against a comment pointing out the PC platform having screen resolution advantages.

I realize this is a place where some of you come to argue for the sake of arguing, but I'm still getting used to the idea. I still somewhat foolishly assume that when people say things they might have a point they're trying to frame.

 

[Arkaign]

Given that tablets have quickly gone from roughly VGA resolution to 2K+ in no time, it looks like display tech is moving faster than I expected.

I think this fall will see $699 4K HDMI 2.0 60hz IPS displays @ 27". Which will be awesome. By 2016 we should see 32" 4K @ $399 or less, and perhaps 120hz as well (don't think anything but multiple GTX980 will drive that at the time though for 120FPS, lol). But 60FPS 4K on high quality screens is certainly on the way to PC, it will just get more and more affordable. Having seen BF4 Ultra on a UP3214Q (old Titan SLI, not the blacks), I can say that it is a GODLY thing to see in person. It's absolutely insane the amount of detail you can see looking around. 1080p, 1440p, even my 1600 screen looks a little 20th century after seeing it.

 

[dguy6789]

Why did you upgrade so often? You could have just turned down the settings. You do realize that going an all console route the developers is going to do that for you. There's no magic that make the consoles get stronger and stronger after the first 2 to 3 years. This is when compromising starts, maybe you're lucky and don't notice the tradeoffs. Idk.

I bring this up a lot of times and nobody has ever had a decent counter argument to date. Xbox 360 came out in 2005. There is no such thing as a PC you could build in 2005 and keep it unchanged for life for the price of an Xbox 360(to be generous let's say 3x the price of the 360) that would run Bioshock Infinite or Skyrim as well and look as good as the 360 does.

This sort of gigantic difference in console performance advantage has always existed.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I bring this up a lot of times and nobody has ever had a decent counter argument to date. Xbox 360 came out in 2005. There is no such thing as a PC you could build in 2005 and keep it unchanged for life for the price of an Xbox 360(to be generous let's say 3x the price of the 360) that would run Bioshock Infinite or Skyrim as well and look as good as the 360 does.

This sort of gigantic difference in console performance advantage has always existed.

I think you picked two of the exceptions there. Bioshock integrated DX10 features if I remember right (water and whatnot); Skyrim and even Oblivion were able to push PCs hard in their time. Most games don't get that extra work to make them look BETTER on PC than they do on a console; Also, I remember in past at least a lot of features for games (including Bioshock) were only available in an ini file that could let you make things look worse sot hat your system could run it.

Finally, most games won't even have the same resources on the PC as elsewhere. I mean, look at Titanfall's 48GB install size because "dual cores can't decode audio files and play the game."

 

[Sulaco]

This can all basically be summed up by handhelds:

I don't play 3DS/DS/Vita/etc games because they're portable or because they offer a 3D gimmick or whatever. I play them because those games interest me, and can only be found on that platform (for the most part, the truly stellar games anyway).

I can't play The Last of Us, Lost Odyssey, Madden, Xenoblade, Super Mario, MLB The Show, Forza, etc on PC. I want to play those games. There's no direct comparison on PC, so I must have a console to play them.

I can't play ArmA, Europa Universalis, Silent Hunter, Hearts of Iron, Civilization, IL-2, DCS A-10, Flight Simulator, Total War, etc on console. There's no direct comparison on console, so I must have a PC to play them.
I'd also note I want a vastly superior input for my FPS games and the freedom to mod. I can't do that on my console. So I have a PC.

Really, that's all that needs to be said. Who cares if someone doesn't play the same kind of games you do or not?

 

[cmdrdredd]

You know that I wasn't trying to definitively say that you have to like this or that genre of game to be missing out by discounting the PC platform. It was more of an attempt of illustrating some examples of gaming experiences on the platform that aren't on consoles. Even playing a multiplatform AAA game on a PC may be significantly different, due to control scheme differences, and PC performance advantages. Which you later admitted, with some of your own examples.

See, I can tell when someone doesn't even agree with themselves, and is making a comment for the sole sake of being irritating. I never really believed you actually disagreed with me.

On the point of your monitor, I just glanced at your sig. Glanced. I didn't google things in it component by component. You and I know that you don't matter to me nearly enough to do such a thing. Why would I do that? For the monitor model, I didn't recognize it, since the people I know imported Qnix monitors instead. I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but figure I'll be purchasing something like that next year with a new graphics card (waiting on 22nm).

I was right, though. You weren't trying to illustrate a larger point, you were just making irritating comments for the sake of it. You indeed were an owner of a 1440p monitor, arguing against a comment pointing out the PC platform having screen resolution advantages.

I realize this is a place where some of you come to argue for the sake of arguing, but I'm still getting used to the idea. I still somewhat foolishly assume that when people say things they might have a point they're trying to frame.

If you go back in the thread you will see the point.

Anyone who says console games are unplayable and look like crap because PC...is full of crap.

 

[exdeath]

If you go back in the thread you will see the point.

Anyone who says console games are unplayable and look like crap because PC...is full of crap.

The Last of Us, Bravely Default, Ni no Kuni, Tales of Graces f, and Super Mario 3D World look so much better on PC and play so much better with a mouse. Consoles suck!