Difference between Marine and Army?

[Brutuskend]

The Marines were originally ship board fighters and they did (do) amphibious assaults.

ALL Marines are riflemen FIRST and then whatever their secondary training makes them.

For instance I was a rifleman / Jet engine mechanic / Plane Capitan

 

[HorizonSeekerII]

Originally posted by: Nanotech
In short he said that if Marines were stationed at the base where all photos depicting prisoners in compromising positions came from than we never even would have heard about the pictures because they simply would not have allowed camera's on the premise and thus would never have been taken.

i don't want to be rude, but your comment paraphrasing your friend's comment is not exactly casting him in a positive light. is he saying that the photos would never have come out and the abuse would have continued unabated or that the abuse would not have happened in the first place? from the way you wrote your post, it sounded like the former rather than the latter.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
The Marines were originally ship board fighters and they did (do) amphibious assaults.

ALL Marines are riflemen FIRST and then whatever their secondary training makes them.

For instance I was a rifleman / Jet engine mechanic / Plane Capitan

hmmmm....I think everybody in the military suppose to be the rifleman first. Or are you comparing yourself to infantryman?

 

[Apathetic]

The Marines are essentially the infantry arm of the Navy (this goes back all the way to our Revolutionary War). They specialize in attacking land targets from the sea.

The Army is well... an army. They are MUCH larger than the Marine Corp.

The Reserves are units of the military controlled by the federal government which are not on active duty. The soldiers, sailors, etc serve part time - usually 1 weekend per month.

The National Guard is similar to the reserves but it is controlled by a state's govenor and as such are usually the first thing activated during a natural disaster.

Dave

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
The Marines were originally ship board fighters and they did (do) amphibious assaults.

ALL Marines are riflemen FIRST and then whatever their secondary training makes them.

For instance I was a rifleman / Jet engine mechanic / Plane Capitan

hmmmm....I think everybody in the military suppose to be the rifleman first. Or are you comparing yourself to infantryman?

That's one of their "mottos" - every Marine is a rifleman first, no matter their MOS. They go through more training with the M16A2 than the Army does I think. (I also don't know if the Army requires them to pass a KD like the Marines do every year)

 

[mcveigh]

As a Marine I know the main difference is..........














Marines have bigger penises!

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
The Marines were originally ship board fighters and they did (do) amphibious assaults.

ALL Marines are riflemen FIRST and then whatever their secondary training makes them.

For instance I was a rifleman / Jet engine mechanic / Plane Capitan

hmmmm....I think everybody in the military suppose to be the rifleman first. Or are you comparing yourself to infantryman?

How often does your average AF member have to lug around a rifle as part of their duties?

 

[mcveigh]

For all you idiots out there that say "delta/seals/PJ/force recon/whatever is better than all"

in the real world at the high level spec ops, all the branches work together alot. you will often gind a unit of spec ops with Marines, army, and navy personnel. I have met many bada$$ people in various braches. it comes down to the individual. hell I knew I guy who was in Marine FAST teams (anti-terrosim) had never been to any formal spec-ops school (at least that he admitted) and had been tagged several time to go temporarily to some of the civilian agencys (cia). yet he was never formally in spec-ops.

I've also met recon/ranger/etc that didn't impress me at all.

 

[GoSharks]

Originally posted by: Twerpzilla
He told me one thing unique about the Marines was that the president can send them anywhere without congresional approval. Don't know the details, or the truth to that statement, just tossing it in for fun.

IIRC from civics/us history class, the president can send any branch of the military anywhere for 30 days. it is only after 30 days does the president have to go to congress to ask for their approval of a longer-term military action.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
The Marines were originally ship board fighters and they did (do) amphibious assaults.

ALL Marines are riflemen FIRST and then whatever their secondary training makes them.

For instance I was a rifleman / Jet engine mechanic / Plane Capitan

hmmmm....I think everybody in the military suppose to be the rifleman first. Or are you comparing yourself to infantryman?

How often does your average AF member have to lug around a rifle as part of their duties?

That depends on their AO. Are they in a war zone? EVERYBODY regardless of services and branches lug around a rifle or a sidearm if they are in a war zone, except the Navy.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: Apathetic
The Marines are essentially the infantry arm of the Navy (this goes back all the way to our Revolutionary War). They specialize in attacking land targets from the sea.

The Army is well... an army. They are MUCH larger than the Marine Corp.

The Reserves are units of the military controlled by the federal government which are not on active duty. The soldiers, sailors, etc serve part time - usually 1 weekend per month.

The National Guard is similar to the reserves but it is controlled by a state's govenor and as such are usually the first thing activated during a natural disaster.

Dave

Give me a break already. USMC function is more than being infantry. THey have everything from admin clerks to Force Recon. Also, last time I checked infantry don't have women and USMC do have women in their rank.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
That depends on their AO. Are they in a war zone? EVERYBODY regardless of services and branches lug around a rifle or a sidearm if they are in a war zone, except the Navy.

There is a difference between being armed and being a rifleman.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
That depends on their AO. Are they in a war zone? EVERYBODY regardless of services and branches lug around a rifle or a sidearm if they are in a war zone, except the Navy.

There is a difference between being armed and being a rifleman.

Are you TELLING me a REMF Marine is equivalent of a rifleman/infantryman either from the Army or the Marine? Please say it ain't so.

Before you tell me something, please tell me your credentials and military back ground. I don't want to waste my time argue with an online-computer-chairborne-commando

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
The Marines were originally ship board fighters and they did (do) amphibious assaults.

ALL Marines are riflemen FIRST and then whatever their secondary training makes them.

For instance I was a rifleman / Jet engine mechanic / Plane Capitan

hmmmm....I think everybody in the military suppose to be the rifleman first. Or are you comparing yourself to infantryman?

How often does your average AF member have to lug around a rifle as part of their duties?

That depends on their AO. Are they in a war zone? EVERYBODY regardless of services and branches lug around a rifle or a sidearm if they are in a war zone, except the Navy.

There is a difference between being armed and being a rifleman.

Are you TELLING me a REMF Marine is equivalent of a rifleman/infantryman either from the Army or the Marine? Please say it ain't so.

Before you tell me something, please tell me your credentials and military back ground. I don't want to waste my time argue with an online-computer-chairborne-commando

Do you see where I said "every marine is a better rifleman than any soldier"? Because I looked, and I said nothing of the kind. I just pointed out that your average airman doesnt use a rifle much. You then said that everyone in a war zone carries a weapon. I said that didnt make them a rifleman, just armed. Now suddenly I'm accused of saying that every paper pushing marine is equal to an infantry soldier (or marine) :roll:

 

[GreasyBurger]

Last time I checked every airman has to go through basic training and has to qualify for BRM every year, no?

 

[Spencer278]

Anyone know why they have marines secure/live at embassies instead of the army?

 

[zimu]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Anyone know why they have marines secure/live at embassies instead of the army?

that is a good point, why is that?
according to what MOST people have posted in this thread, the army should be the ones defending a base!

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
Last time I checked every airman has to go through basic training and has to qualify for BRM every year, no?

The cops of my city underwent firearms training in the academy, and qualify with their pistols every year. But that doesnt make them gunfighters (I couldnt think of a better word that has the connotations that "rifleman" has, since there is no such thing as a "pistolman"). That does even make them competent, at least in my experiences with cops at the local range.

All branches of the armed services have their exceptional riflemen, and they all have their mediocre ones... but your average marine is likely to be a better rifleman than your average airman, sailor, or soldier.

 

[zimu]

btw, did anyone read the thread about the marine dude killing 20 people?

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
Last time I checked every airman has to go through basic training and has to qualify for BRM every year, no?

The USMC has an "Every Marine a rifleman" ethos. That is to say that every Marine, from Recon to cook to driver to clerk, is a combat soldier first and foremost. Read what an Army Major has to say on the subject.

A good starting point for the CSS (combat service support) community may be to adopt the Marine Corps foundational metaphor, ?Every Marine a rifleman.?

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
Last time I checked every airman has to go through basic training and has to qualify for BRM every year, no?

The USMC has an "Every Marine a rifleman" ethos. That is to say that every Marine, from Recon to cook to driver to clerk, is a combat soldier first and foremost. Read what an Army Major has to say on the subject.

A good starting point for the CSS (combat service support) community may be to adopt the Marine Corps foundational metaphor, ?Every Marine a rifleman.?

Seriously, I can say I can fly like superman and bench press 2000 pounds but that doesn't mean it is true.

I served in the Army for 4 years as an infantryman. I spent 80% of time out in the field for training and 20% in the garrison for classroom/PMCS/PT, so what make you think a supply clerk in the USMC has that kind of time to become a "true" rifleman.....unless you think they work 20 hours a day.

IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[glenn1]

Anyone know why they have marines secure/live at embassies instead of the army?

Same reason the Army guards the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington - tradition.

 

[Brutuskend]

I think the average Marine goes through more combat infantry training than the average Solder or Airman. That's where the motto comes from I think.

Though I was never IN the Army, I couldn't say. But I would assume that the extent of training ON average is more in depth for the common Marine.

When I went through Marine boot camp in 71, once you finished boot camp you went to I.T.R. (infantry training regiment). Just as I was finishing up I.T.R they changed it so that now I.T.R is part of boot camp and is called I.T.S. (infantry training squad or some such) either way, every Marine gets advanced training in combat. I would think that other armed forces go directly from boot camp to their training for their M.O.S.


Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: Apathetic
The Marines are essentially the infantry arm of the Navy (this goes back all the way to our Revolutionary War). They specialize in attacking land targets from the sea.

The Army is well... an army. They are MUCH larger than the Marine Corp.

The Reserves are units of the military controlled by the federal government which are not on active duty. The soldiers, sailors, etc serve part time - usually 1 weekend per month.

The National Guard is similar to the reserves but it is controlled by a state's govenor and as such are usually the first thing activated during a natural disaster.

Dave

If one more person calls my beloved Corps the "Marine Corp", I'm going to "accidentally" discharge my M249 SAW in that general direction...

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
Last time I checked every airman has to go through basic training and has to qualify for BRM every year, no?

The USMC has an "Every Marine a rifleman" ethos. That is to say that every Marine, from Recon to cook to driver to clerk, is a combat soldier first and foremost. Read what an Army Major has to say on the subject.

A good starting point for the CSS (combat service support) community may be to adopt the Marine Corps foundational metaphor, ?Every Marine a rifleman.?

Seriously, I can say I can fly like superman and bench press 2000 pounds but that doesn't mean it is true.

I served in the Army for 4 years as an infantryman. I spent 80% of time out in the field for training and 20% in the garrison for classroom/PMCS/PT, so what make you think a supply clerk in the USMC has that kind of time to become a "true" rifleman.....unless you think they work 20 hours a day.

IMPOSSIBLE.

Ahhh....4 years in the army. That would explain why you're so "touchy" about people saying Marines are better trained than the Army.

Seriously, though, you're taking everyone's statements waaaayy too literally. Did you even read that article about "every soldier a rifleman?" Listen to what your standard non-infantry Army soldier says:

?I?m here to fix broke stuff . . . I?m told to shoot only if shot at . . . I don?t want to kill nobody.?

Find me a Marine that feels like that, regardless of their job. The OP asked what the difference was between USMC and Army, and that's one big one right there.

The army is big enough where they don't really NEED everyone to be able to fight in the infantry. Sure it'd be nice since it IS the army, but it's not like the Marine Corps where we're so small, you BETTER know how to fight. A lot of that is necessity, and a lot of that is the "warrior ethos." That's what sets us apart.