Difference between Marine and Army?

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

How often does your average AF member have to lug around a rifle as part of their duties?

That depends on their AO. Are they in a war zone? EVERYBODY regardless of services and branches lug around a rifle or a sidearm if they are in a war zone, except the Navy.

I have deployed twice with the AF and never been issued a sidearm. AF bases, even tent cities, inherently have to be fairly secure, so generally only Security Forces (i.e., cops) are issued weapons.[/quote]

What was your AO for your deployment? Afghanistan or Iraq? Germany or Kuwait is not what I called a "war zone"

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: glenn1

oh, my coworker (former Ranger) said "Leather-necks are brainwashed ranger-wanna-be's that liked the way the marine dress uniforms looked (best looking uniforms of all service). Whereas, the army soldiers want to get the mission completed without becoming a statistic."

Funny your Ranger friend should say that, considering they're the kings of casualties from the interactions I've had with them. We did a couple of training ops with the a Ranger LRS platoon and sat in on the battalion commander's mission brief (they were doing an airport takedown). The mission success parameters as approved by the old man were that the airpfield was seized while taking no more than 70% casualties in the Ranger DA force. Needless to say, no one in the ODA complained that we were simply playing observer/liason on that mission. :Q

HAHAHA didn't anyone see BLACK HAWK DOWN?? Guess what? The Marines were in Somalia, too. At the beginning of the movie, the opening text explained that the Marine Corps came in, took control of mogadishu, and left the occupying to the Army. As soon as the Marines left and the Army came in, the warload/dictator came right back to mogadishu.

You know why they didn't make a movie about the Marine Corps in mogadishu?

...Because we didn't fvck up the mission...

Maybe your history is a little bit rusty. 10,000 Marines in Somalia were there for peace keeping mission and provide protection for humanitarian aids. The Army Rangers and Delta Force were there to arrest the war lords.

What make you think a few platoons of Rangers and Delta Force were there to keep the peace? So tell me, when was the last time Special Operation soldiers primary duty is to provide peace keeping mission or "occupying" anything?

 

[prism]

[/quote]
Close minded?

1) I served in the regular Army for 4 years.
2) I served in Afghanistan for 6 months during the early part of OEF. I think I should have a better idea what's going on in Afghanistan than all of your chairborne warriors here. The Delta Force is the most secretive SOF in the military and we do know that they exists, but a "Grey Fox" BRANCH...wtf???!! A branch in the military is like infantry, field artillery, engineer, etc.

Even if this Grey Fox "branch" is a figment of your imagination, the brass in the Pentagon would never called them a "branch". Understood?[/quote]

Ok, I'm infinitely sorry for saying branch instead of unit. I hope that my apologies don't go unheard. Please forgive me. Please.

 

[BillyBatson]

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Marines are a branch off the Navy. They're trained more specifically for winning battles in more adverse conditions, they're more hardcore, bald-headed, Hoo-rah, fighters. The Army has a wider range of skills... they do most of the "work" involved in a war, whereas the Marines do most of the intense fighting.

<--Army

Also if you join the marines get ready for duties such as standing by a gate and checking for ID 12 hours a day where as like he said above army has more of a diversity when it comes to jobs and does contain technical and high priority jobs such as intelligence etc.

<--Air Force

 

[DainBrammage]

Well after serving in the USMC for 14 years I have to set the record straight. The Marines are not a branch of the Navy as many have sadi. More appropriately the Marines are a Department of the Navy---- The Mens Department.

Everyone has their roll and all of the branches pretty much do their own unique thing.

What really sets the Marines apart from the other branches is their marksmanship and they are steeped in tradition and hold true to the Corps. BTW ask your Army buddies what their rifle qual distances are. EVERY Marine Must qual with a rifle from 500yds where the army counterpart quals from 200 yards.

Nuff said

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: glenn1

oh, my coworker (former Ranger) said "Leather-necks are brainwashed ranger-wanna-be's that liked the way the marine dress uniforms looked (best looking uniforms of all service). Whereas, the army soldiers want to get the mission completed without becoming a statistic."

Funny your Ranger friend should say that, considering they're the kings of casualties from the interactions I've had with them. We did a couple of training ops with the a Ranger LRS platoon and sat in on the battalion commander's mission brief (they were doing an airport takedown). The mission success parameters as approved by the old man were that the airpfield was seized while taking no more than 70% casualties in the Ranger DA force. Needless to say, no one in the ODA complained that we were simply playing observer/liason on that mission. :Q

HAHAHA didn't anyone see BLACK HAWK DOWN?? Guess what? The Marines were in Somalia, too. At the beginning of the movie, the opening text explained that the Marine Corps came in, took control of mogadishu, and left the occupying to the Army. As soon as the Marines left and the Army came in, the warload/dictator came right back to mogadishu.

You know why they didn't make a movie about the Marine Corps in mogadishu?

...Because we didn't fvck up the mission...

By the way, using your own logic the USMC fubar up big time in Fallujah. The Army's 82nd airborne was in Fallujah since the fall of Baghdad last year. Now all hell broke loose when USMC took over 82nd's mission in Fallujah.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: BillyBatson

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Marines are a branch off the Navy. They're trained more specifically for winning battles in more adverse conditions, they're more hardcore, bald-headed, Hoo-rah, fighters. The Army has a wider range of skills... they do most of the "work" involved in a war, whereas the Marines do most of the intense fighting.

<--Army

Also if you join the marines get ready for duties such as standing by a gate and checking for ID 12 hours a day where as like he said above army has more of a diversity when it comes to jobs and does contain technical and high priority jobs such as intelligence etc.

<--Air Force

I think this is a vast assumption on your part similar to the "all Marines are stupid grunt groundpounders" theories that a lot of people have.

Will you stand duty once in a while during your time in the Marine Corps? Definitely. Although that duty might be guarding an armory, nuclear submarine, or checking IDs at a gate. Is that your primary responsibility? Absolutely not, unless you intentionally volunteer for it.

Except for religious and medical personnel, the Marine Corps has just about every "job" that the army provides, so i don't quite see how you can claim that the army has much more diversity with "high priority" jobs.

You're one of those people who thinks that all Marines are stupid groundpounders, huh?

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: glenn1

oh, my coworker (former Ranger) said "Leather-necks are brainwashed ranger-wanna-be's that liked the way the marine dress uniforms looked (best looking uniforms of all service). Whereas, the army soldiers want to get the mission completed without becoming a statistic."

Funny your Ranger friend should say that, considering they're the kings of casualties from the interactions I've had with them. We did a couple of training ops with the a Ranger LRS platoon and sat in on the battalion commander's mission brief (they were doing an airport takedown). The mission success parameters as approved by the old man were that the airpfield was seized while taking no more than 70% casualties in the Ranger DA force. Needless to say, no one in the ODA complained that we were simply playing observer/liason on that mission. :Q

HAHAHA didn't anyone see BLACK HAWK DOWN?? Guess what? The Marines were in Somalia, too. At the beginning of the movie, the opening text explained that the Marine Corps came in, took control of mogadishu, and left the occupying to the Army. As soon as the Marines left and the Army came in, the warload/dictator came right back to mogadishu.

You know why they didn't make a movie about the Marine Corps in mogadishu?

...Because we didn't fvck up the mission...

Maybe your history is a little bit rusty. 10,000 Marines in Somalia were there for peace keeping mission and provide protection for humanitarian aids. The Army Rangers and Delta Force were there to arrest the war lords.

What make you think a few platoons of Rangers and Delta Force were there to keep the peace? So tell me, when was the last time Special Operation soldiers primary duty is to provide peace keeping mission or "occupying" anything?

Are you implying that the ONLY soldiers in Somalia were Rangers and Delta Force?

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: glenn1

oh, my coworker (former Ranger) said "Leather-necks are brainwashed ranger-wanna-be's that liked the way the marine dress uniforms looked (best looking uniforms of all service). Whereas, the army soldiers want to get the mission completed without becoming a statistic."

Funny your Ranger friend should say that, considering they're the kings of casualties from the interactions I've had with them. We did a couple of training ops with the a Ranger LRS platoon and sat in on the battalion commander's mission brief (they were doing an airport takedown). The mission success parameters as approved by the old man were that the airpfield was seized while taking no more than 70% casualties in the Ranger DA force. Needless to say, no one in the ODA complained that we were simply playing observer/liason on that mission. :Q

HAHAHA didn't anyone see BLACK HAWK DOWN?? Guess what? The Marines were in Somalia, too. At the beginning of the movie, the opening text explained that the Marine Corps came in, took control of mogadishu, and left the occupying to the Army. As soon as the Marines left and the Army came in, the warload/dictator came right back to mogadishu.

You know why they didn't make a movie about the Marine Corps in mogadishu?

...Because we didn't fvck up the mission...

By the way, using your own logic the USMC fubar up big time in Fallujah. The Army's 82nd airborne was in Fallujah since the fall of Baghdad last year. Now all hell broke loose when USMC took over 82nd's mission in Fallujah.

All hell always breaks loose when the Marines arrive. Ask one of those old japanese guys who fought on Iwo Jima what happens when the Marines show up.

Seriously, though, it's difficult to quantify what's considered "screwing things up" until we see final results. The conflict is not over yet, so it's hard to evaluate things at this stage.

 

[glenn1]

What really sets the Marines apart from the other branches is their marksmanship and they are steeped in tradition and hold true to the Corps. BTW ask your Army buddies what their rifle qual distances are. EVERY Marine Must qual with a rifle from 500yds where the army counterpart quals from 200 yards.

The maximum target range on a standard Army qualification shoot is 300 meters. Our team typically shot at longer distances, of course we had several thousands of rounds each to expend and perhaps a wider array of weapons systems available to us. It's nice that the Marines set their quals for 500m targets, but I don't know if I see the big deal in it. I'm glad you're good shots and all, but that's like qualifying for pistol at 100m; the range just doesn't make sense for the weapon system. When you're talking rifles at 500m, I'd be looking to either break contact (our normal first response for most missions) or thinking crew-served weapon systems. If a target at 500m is good enough to shoot at, he's good enough to expend a few .50 cal or Mk-19 rounds on rather than a plink from a .223 NATO.

 

[dr150]

Red Cell > All Military Special Forces

 

[hytek369]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
men join the marines, wussies join the army. bigger wussies join the AF.

paintball weekend warriors join the national guard


/puts on flak jacket

exactly

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

What was your AO for your deployment? Afghanistan or Iraq? Germany or Kuwait is not what I called a "war zone"

It's still classified - it was in the middle east, however.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: hytek369

Originally posted by: m2kewl
men join the marines, wussies join the army. bigger wussies join the AF.

paintball weekend warriors join the national guard


/puts on flak jacket

exactly

I agreed


Army



Marines

 

[cerebusPu]

this reminds me of the USA networks reality show where they put a bunch of spec ops people together to compete in teams. there was one Delta force guy with shifty eyes, and many seals, marine force recon, and army rangers. They also had a group comprised of swat members. The swat team lost all teh physical endurance missions, but won everytime shooting was involved.

who else remembers this show?

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: cerebusPu
this reminds me of the USA networks reality show where they put a bunch of spec ops people together to compete in teams. there was one Delta force guy with shifty eyes, and many seals, marine force recon, and army rangers. They also had a group comprised of swat members. The swat team lost all teh physical endurance missions, but won everytime shooting was involved.

who else remembers this show?

Yeah... Combat Missions I believe it was called. A good friend of mine in the Army was selected to be on it, but unfortunately his unit was activated.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Nanotech

Originally posted by: HorizonSeekerII

Originally posted by: Nanotech
In short he said that if Marines were stationed at the base where all photos depicting prisoners in compromising positions came from than we never even would have heard about the pictures because they simply would not have allowed camera's on the premise and thus would never have been taken.

i don't want to be rude, but your comment paraphrasing your friend's comment is not exactly casting him in a positive light. is he saying that the photos would never have come out and the abuse would have continued unabated or that the abuse would not have happened in the first place? from the way you wrote your post, it sounded like the former rather than the latter.

All my friend was saying is that the lower ranking members of the Army lack discipline which pisses him off!

However, it is my belief that this particular base where these pictures are coming from is not the only base where sh!t like that is going down and I highly doubt it is the first time our military has carried out such practices. Although, it probably is the first time a camera was allowed inside such a prison.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=540&amp;e=5&amp;u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prisoner_abuse_marines_2

Marines are guilty of it too

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=540&amp;e=5&amp;u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prisoner_abuse_marines_2

Marines are guilty of it too

At least they werent dumb enough to take pics of it, though

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=540&amp;e=5&amp;u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prisoner_abuse_marines_2

Marines are guilty of it too

At least they werent dumb enough to take pics of it, though

True, but I attribute that to their discipline more than their intelligence

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Mookow
At least they werent dumb enough to take pics of it, though

True, but I attribute that to their discipline more than their intelligence

In this case maintaining your discipline is a matter of intelligence. A crook who took his gloves off in the middle of a robbery would be pretty stupid, right?

 

[Mookow]

d/p

 

[BadNewsBears]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: dquan97
DJFuji, be on a lookout for a Pfc. Skaggs, who is headed there next week for MCT. He's my brother-in-law

Pics

I will. You do realize that Camp Pendleton is 200+ sq miles and contains 45,000 people, though, right?

DJFuji, what about that "shadow' group I think there Army guys, maybe not im not sure. I heard of them being the ones para'n into Iraq trying to capture saddam, and sound DAMN secretive. LIke spec ops of the spec ops.

 

[DJFuji]

never heard of 'em. You're not talking about delta force are you? I have a security clearance but the military's motto on classified info is "you're on a need-to-know basis, and you DONT NEED TO KNOW."

 

[TallBill]

Generally the USAF PJs are regarded as pretty damn 1337.

I agree to the above.

Me personally, I'm headin to Ft. Cambell to join the 101st Airborne next week as a Military Police officer (that I'm already trained as). I'd laugh if anyone would call me a wuss. I cant wait for Air Assault training.

The biggest selling point on the Army is that when you sign your contract, you have your EXACT job. Like, if you sign on as a Blackhawk mechanic, thats what you'll do. If you join the Air Force as a mechanic, you could be a toilet mechanic, or for a F22, but thats just the luck of the draw. With the Marines, good luck. They will change your job on the fly, and definitly do.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: DJFuji
never heard of 'em. You're not talking about delta force are you? I have a security clearance but the military's motto on classified info is "you're on a need-to-know basis, and you DONT NEED TO KNOW."

Oh, and delta force isn't a secret thing. There are most certainly other secretive spec ops groups. Several joint branch teams exist. The fact that they exist is not a secret, but where, why, numbers, goals, tasks, training sure is.