Difference between Marine and Army?

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Anyone know why they have marines secure/live at embassies instead of the army?

Same reason the Army guards the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington - tradition.

I prefer to think that it's because the Marines are better for the job. They guard and defend embassies, ambassadors, diplomats, VIPs, and the United States presence in foreign lands. The army, by contrast, guards a bunch of dead people and tombstones.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
Last time I checked every airman has to go through basic training and has to qualify for BRM every year, no?

The USMC has an "Every Marine a rifleman" ethos. That is to say that every Marine, from Recon to cook to driver to clerk, is a combat soldier first and foremost. Read what an Army Major has to say on the subject.

A good starting point for the CSS (combat service support) community may be to adopt the Marine Corps foundational metaphor, ?Every Marine a rifleman.?

Seriously, I can say I can fly like superman and bench press 2000 pounds but that doesn't mean it is true.

I served in the Army for 4 years as an infantryman. I spent 80% of time out in the field for training and 20% in the garrison for classroom/PMCS/PT, so what make you think a supply clerk in the USMC has that kind of time to become a "true" rifleman.....unless you think they work 20 hours a day.

IMPOSSIBLE.

Ahhh....4 years in the army. That would explain why you're so "touchy" about people saying Marines are better trained than the Army.

Seriously, though, you're taking everyone's statements waaaayy too literally. Did you even read that article about "every soldier a rifleman?" Listen to what your standard non-infantry Army soldier says:

?I?m here to fix broke stuff . . . I?m told to shoot only if shot at . . . I don?t want to kill nobody.?

Find me a Marine that feels like that, regardless of their job. The OP asked what the difference was between USMC and Army, and that's one big one right there.

The army is big enough where they don't really NEED everyone to be able to fight in the infantry. Sure it'd be nice since it IS the army, but it's not like the Marine Corps where we're so small, you BETTER know how to fight. A lot of that is necessity, and a lot of that is the "warrior ethos." That's what sets us apart.

1) I find it funny when people said the USMC is small thereby makes them "elite". They have 200,000 people in their service. I mean they have more people than the entire Canadian and Sweden armed forces combined.

2) Sometimes you jarhead should think rationally instead of being brainwashed all the time. I don't care if you are an Army or USMC pencil pusher. If you spend most of your time behind a desk or a supply room doing REMF work, then you are not going to have much time in the field learning how to be a true rifleman/infantryman, because infantry is a FULL TIME JOB.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: DJFuji
If one more person calls my beloved Corps the "Marine Corp", I'm going to "accidentally" discharge my M249 SAW in that general direction...

Does it bother you that "corps" is a French word?

 

[dquan97]

I heard this from someone...Is it true that a Marine infantry need to mentally "cool-down" after their years of service, because they're trained to kill?

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
men join the marines, wussies join the army. bigger wussies join the AF.

paintball weekend warriors join the national guard

/puts on flak jacket

Wrong

<-- x-Marine just proudly joined the Paintball weekend warriors league.



EDIT: Oh, on that every Marine is a rifleman sentiment, it's true. My MOS was in the line of Brutuskend, I was a winger (fixed F/A-18s). But I was deadly with a rifle (Never qualified anything less than high expert).

Even though we would not do ground training, but we were well trained on the subject, and when push comes to shove, I bet ya I'll be much more comfortable with a weapon than other branch of services. The differences in individual intellect would have a lot to do with it.

 

[JSSheridan]

Some friends of mine who live in Savannah, GA, the location of Hunter AAF, have told me about a 'unit' based there that has a black circle where the unit patch would be. My friends have said that the Rangers will move off the sidewalk for these guys. We have speculated they were Delta Force or "Black Ops" (I don't know what they meant by this.) Can anyone tell me about these guys?

The only things I know about the Army or Marines is what I have read, and I have a lot of respect for both Army Soldiers and Marines. 'With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa' by Eugene B. Sledge is probably the best account of WW II that I have read, and it tells of the experience of a rifleman (Sledge) in the Pacific Theater. I'd recommend this to anyone interesting in learning about the Corps or anyone considering joining the military. Peace.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: DJFuji
If one more person calls my beloved Corps the "Marine Corp", I'm going to "accidentally" discharge my M249 SAW in that general direction...

Does it bother you that "corps" is a French word?

Does it bother you that the statue of liberty was given to us by the french?

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: m2kewl
men join the marines, wussies join the army. bigger wussies join the AF.

paintball weekend warriors join the national guard

/puts on flak jacket

Wrong

<-- x-Marine just proudly joined the Paintball weekend warriors league.



EDIT: Oh, on that every Marine is a rifleman sentiment, it's true. My MOS was in the line of Brutuskend, I was a winger (fixed F/A-18s). But I was deadly with a rifle (Never qualified anything less than high expert).

Even though we would not do ground training, but we were well trained on the subject, and when push comes to shove, I bet ya I'll be much more comfortable with a weapon than other branch of services. The differences in individual intellect would have a lot to do with it.

Cr4zymofo, there are no such things as ex-Marines. Remember, once a Marine...

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
Last time I checked every airman has to go through basic training and has to qualify for BRM every year, no?

The USMC has an "Every Marine a rifleman" ethos. That is to say that every Marine, from Recon to cook to driver to clerk, is a combat soldier first and foremost. Read what an Army Major has to say on the subject.

A good starting point for the CSS (combat service support) community may be to adopt the Marine Corps foundational metaphor, ?Every Marine a rifleman.?

Seriously, I can say I can fly like superman and bench press 2000 pounds but that doesn't mean it is true.

I served in the Army for 4 years as an infantryman. I spent 80% of time out in the field for training and 20% in the garrison for classroom/PMCS/PT, so what make you think a supply clerk in the USMC has that kind of time to become a "true" rifleman.....unless you think they work 20 hours a day.

IMPOSSIBLE.

Ahhh....4 years in the army. That would explain why you're so "touchy" about people saying Marines are better trained than the Army.

Seriously, though, you're taking everyone's statements waaaayy too literally. Did you even read that article about "every soldier a rifleman?" Listen to what your standard non-infantry Army soldier says:

?I?m here to fix broke stuff . . . I?m told to shoot only if shot at . . . I don?t want to kill nobody.?

Find me a Marine that feels like that, regardless of their job. The OP asked what the difference was between USMC and Army, and that's one big one right there.

The army is big enough where they don't really NEED everyone to be able to fight in the infantry. Sure it'd be nice since it IS the army, but it's not like the Marine Corps where we're so small, you BETTER know how to fight. A lot of that is necessity, and a lot of that is the "warrior ethos." That's what sets us apart.

1) I find it funny when people said the USMC is small thereby makes them "elite". They have 200,000 people in their service. I mean they have more people than the entire Canadian and Sweden armed forces combined.

2) Sometimes you jarhead should think rationally instead of being brainwashed all the time. I don't care if you are an Army or USMC pencil pusher. If you spend most of your time behind a desk or a supply room doing REMF work, then you are not going to have much time in the field learning how to be a true rifleman/infantryman, because infantry is a FULL TIME JOB.

1) It's not because we're small. It's because we're tougher, better trained, and more disciplined.

2) Think rationally? Like "An Army of One" rationally? Bwahahahaha. I won't claim that a Marine garrison unit could thrash the 82nd, because i've never trained with an Army unit and because there are some Marine units that could use some help in the PT department. But either way, it's comparing apples and oranges. What i WILL claim is that your average Marine is better equipped, better trained, and more mentally prepared to fight than the average Army soldier.

You join the Navy to "see the world."
You join the Air Force to "get money for college"
You join the Army to "be all that you can be"

But you join the Marine Corps to FIGHT.

"There are two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion" --anonymous

 

[Nanotech]

Originally posted by: HorizonSeekerII

Originally posted by: Nanotech
In short he said that if Marines were stationed at the base where all photos depicting prisoners in compromising positions came from than we never even would have heard about the pictures because they simply would not have allowed camera's on the premise and thus would never have been taken.

i don't want to be rude, but your comment paraphrasing your friend's comment is not exactly casting him in a positive light. is he saying that the photos would never have come out and the abuse would have continued unabated or that the abuse would not have happened in the first place? from the way you wrote your post, it sounded like the former rather than the latter.

All my friend was saying is that the lower ranking members of the Army lack discipline which pisses him off!

However, it is my belief that this particular base where these pictures are coming from is not the only base where sh!t like that is going down and I highly doubt it is the first time our military has carried out such practices. Although, it probably is the first time a camera was allowed inside such a prison.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: dquan97
I heard this from someone...Is it true that a Marine infantry need to mentally "cool-down" after their years of service, because they're trained to kill?

I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, but i do know that Marines getting ready to be honorably discharged are required to attend a "how to be a civilian again" class that teaches you stop yelling and grunting at people, to stop using Marine terms and acronyms, and how to assimilate back into civilian society.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: DJFuji
If one more person calls my beloved Corps the "Marine Corp", I'm going to "accidentally" discharge my M249 SAW in that general direction...

Does it bother you that "corps" is a French word?

Does it bother you that the statue of liberty was given to us by the french?

No, but that didn't stop a lot of people, particularly military folk, from whining about French Fries and Grey Goose vodka and Target being owned by French people.

I don't really care, I just like to jump in on these little "My basic training is tougher than yours" pissing contests while everybody is hoo-ahhing and hoo-rahhing.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: DJFuji
If one more person calls my beloved Corps the "Marine Corp", I'm going to "accidentally" discharge my M249 SAW in that general direction...

Does it bother you that "corps" is a French word?

Does it bother you that the statue of liberty was given to us by the french?

No, but that didn't stop a lot of people, particularly military folk, from whining about French Fries and Grey Goose vodka and Target being owned by French people.

I don't really care, I just like to jump in on these little "My basic training is tougher than yours" pissing contests while everybody is hoo-ahhing and hoo-rahhing.

Eh. I don't really care enough about the issue for it to make a difference. The english language comes from all over the place so it's natural that we'd have some words that come from France.

Oh, and it's "Ooh-rah", btw.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Eh. I don't really care enough about the issue for it to make a difference. The english language comes from all over the place so it's natural that we'd have some words that come from France.

Oh, and it's "Ooh-rah", btw.

Doh

 

[prism]

Funny factoid is that more people join the Marines nowadays than the Army.

I heard something awhile ago about a branch of the military named "Grey Fox" over in Afghanistan, or maybe Iraq, can't remember which. They've been a classified unit for quite some time and are supposedly the elite of the elite.

 

[prism]

Oh, and I like the saying "Marines don't die, they regroup in Hell"

 

[dquan97]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: dquan97
I heard this from someone...Is it true that a Marine infantry need to mentally "cool-down" after their years of service, because they're trained to kill?

I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, but i do know that Marines getting ready to be honorably discharged are required to attend a "how to be a civilian again" class that teaches you stop yelling and grunting at people, to stop using Marine terms and acronyms, and how to assimilate back into civilian society.

for every MOS? That's pretty hard-core....

oh, my coworker (former Ranger) said "Leather-necks are brainwashed ranger-wanna-be's that liked the way the marine dress uniforms looked (best looking uniforms of all service). Whereas, the army soldiers want to get the mission completed without becoming a statistic."

He reasoned that the Marines attack the enemy in mass numbers and accomplish the mission simply by having more soldiers than the enemy.

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: Prism

I heard something awhile ago about a branch of the military named "Grey Fox" over in Afghanistan, or maybe Iraq, can't remember which. They've been a classified unit for quite some time and are supposedly the elite of the elite.

What on earth are you talking about? There is no such thing as a branch named "Grey Fox", but there is a thing called Special Operation.

Funny factoid is that more people join the Marines nowadays than the Army.

That's a negative. The USMC can't have more than 200,000(?) and this is the order from the Congress. USMC can't exceed that number.

 

[prism]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Prism

I heard something awhile ago about a branch of the military named "Grey Fox" over in Afghanistan, or maybe Iraq, can't remember which. They've been a classified unit for quite some time and are supposedly the elite of the elite.

What on earth are you talking about? There is no such thing as a branch named "Grey Fox", but there is a thing called Special Operation.

Funny factoid is that more people join the Marines nowadays than the Army.

That's a negative. The USMC can't have more than 200,000(?) and this is the order from the Congress. USMC can't exceed that number.

Oh, so just because you've never heard of Grey Fox means it doesn't exist? How close-minded are you? Think of all the things the government has that they've declassified over the years. The B2 stealth bomber which we learned about in the early 90s has been around since the 50s for example

And if the 200,000 mark is true, there are still Marines that get done with their term and leave the service, therefore opening up space for new recruits. And think about it, who wants to join the Army these days? They get all teh grunt work and no prestige.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

How often does your average AF member have to lug around a rifle as part of their duties?

That depends on their AO. Are they in a war zone? EVERYBODY regardless of services and branches lug around a rifle or a sidearm if they are in a war zone, except the Navy.[/quote]

I have deployed twice with the AF and never been issued a sidearm. AF bases, even tent cities, inherently have to be fairly secure, so generally only Security Forces (i.e., cops) are issued weapons.

 

[glenn1]

oh, my coworker (former Ranger) said "Leather-necks are brainwashed ranger-wanna-be's that liked the way the marine dress uniforms looked (best looking uniforms of all service). Whereas, the army soldiers want to get the mission completed without becoming a statistic."

Funny your Ranger friend should say that, considering they're the kings of casualties from the interactions I've had with them. We did a couple of training ops with the a Ranger LRS platoon and sat in on the battalion commander's mission brief (they were doing an airport takedown). The mission success parameters as approved by the old man were that the airpfield was seized while taking no more than 70% casualties in the Ranger DA force. Needless to say, no one in the ODA complained that we were simply playing observer/liason on that mission. :Q

 

[GoSharks]

Originally posted by: Prism
The B2 stealth bomber which we learned about in the early 90s has been around since the 50s for example

:roll: you can't be serious.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: Prism

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Prism

I heard something awhile ago about a branch of the military named "Grey Fox" over in Afghanistan, or maybe Iraq, can't remember which. They've been a classified unit for quite some time and are supposedly the elite of the elite.

What on earth are you talking about? There is no such thing as a branch named "Grey Fox", but there is a thing called Special Operation.

Funny factoid is that more people join the Marines nowadays than the Army.

That's a negative. The USMC can't have more than 200,000(?) and this is the order from the Congress. USMC can't exceed that number.

Oh, so just because you've never heard of Grey Fox means it doesn't exist? How close-minded are you? Think of all the things the government has that they've declassified over the years. The B2 stealth bomber which we learned about in the early 90s has been around since the 50s for example

And if the 200,000 mark is true, there are still Marines that get done with their term and leave the service, therefore opening up space for new recruits. And think about it, who wants to join the Army these days? They get all teh grunt work and no prestige.

Yes, he's that close minded.

The guy who said that more people are being recruited into the Marine Corps is probably talking about relative to the service's numbers. i.e. The Marine Corps recruits more people RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE MARINE CORPS. The army has much larger numbers and must therefore recruit more to replace those people. I read somewhere that the Marine Corps has been the only service to continually meet their recruiting goals for the past x years. I think it was like 7 or 8 years, but i'm not sure.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: glenn1

oh, my coworker (former Ranger) said "Leather-necks are brainwashed ranger-wanna-be's that liked the way the marine dress uniforms looked (best looking uniforms of all service). Whereas, the army soldiers want to get the mission completed without becoming a statistic."

Funny your Ranger friend should say that, considering they're the kings of casualties from the interactions I've had with them. We did a couple of training ops with the a Ranger LRS platoon and sat in on the battalion commander's mission brief (they were doing an airport takedown). The mission success parameters as approved by the old man were that the airpfield was seized while taking no more than 70% casualties in the Ranger DA force. Needless to say, no one in the ODA complained that we were simply playing observer/liason on that mission. :Q

HAHAHA didn't anyone see BLACK HAWK DOWN?? Guess what? The Marines were in Somalia, too. At the beginning of the movie, the opening text explained that the Marine Corps came in, took control of mogadishu, and left the occupying to the Army. As soon as the Marines left and the Army came in, the warload/dictator came right back to mogadishu.

You know why they didn't make a movie about the Marine Corps in mogadishu?

...Because we didn't fvck up the mission...

 

[GreasyBurger]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: Prism

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger

Originally posted by: Prism

I heard something awhile ago about a branch of the military named "Grey Fox" over in Afghanistan, or maybe Iraq, can't remember which. They've been a classified unit for quite some time and are supposedly the elite of the elite.

What on earth are you talking about? There is no such thing as a branch named "Grey Fox", but there is a thing called Special Operation.

Funny factoid is that more people join the Marines nowadays than the Army.

That's a negative. The USMC can't have more than 200,000(?) and this is the order from the Congress. USMC can't exceed that number.

Oh, so just because you've never heard of Grey Fox means it doesn't exist? How close-minded are you? Think of all the things the government has that they've declassified over the years. The B2 stealth bomber which we learned about in the early 90s has been around since the 50s for example

And if the 200,000 mark is true, there are still Marines that get done with their term and leave the service, therefore opening up space for new recruits. And think about it, who wants to join the Army these days? They get all teh grunt work and no prestige.

Yes, he's that close minded.

The guy who said that more people are being recruited into the Marine Corps is probably talking about relative to the service's numbers. i.e. The Marine Corps recruits more people RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE MARINE CORPS. The army has much larger numbers and must therefore recruit more to replace those people. I read somewhere that the Marine Corps has been the only service to continually meet their recruiting goals for the past x years. I think it was like 7 or 8 years, but i'm not sure.

Close minded?

1) I served in the regular Army for 4 years.
2) I served in Afghanistan for 6 months during the early part of OEF. I think I should have a better idea what's going on in Afghanistan than all of your chairborne warriors here. The Delta Force is the most secretive SOF in the military and we do know that they exists, but a "Grey Fox" BRANCH...wtf???!! A branch in the military is like infantry, field artillery, engineer, etc.

Even if this Grey Fox "branch" is a figment of your imagination, the brass in the Pentagon would never called them a "branch". Understood?