BrunoPuntzJones
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Definitely SEALs. However, SEALs are special ops. They aren't trained specifically to hold or take ground like Army/Marines are. They are much more special purpose.
kage69
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I'd say so too, but the emphasis is different. All PJs are trained as combat medics on top of being rescue swimmers and having to hold there own against infantry. They don't do clandestine or long-term surveillence insertions like the SEALs or Marine Recon units though, and don't have explosives or sniper training like their Army and nacy counterparts.
Edit: Rangers are just very well trained infantry, stormtroopers if you will.
Delta is a spinoff from the Army. Generally, Delta is mostly highly enthusiastic Rangers that have proven
themselves in various combat actions.
Babbles
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I think that the Rangers would say otherwise.
Not that I am a military expert, but somebody said that Marines are special forces out of boot camp, well that is totally 100% inaccurate. The Marine Expidentiary likes to think of themselves as 'special operations capable' but they are not a special operations unit either; as in they are not under direct command of the Special Operations Command.
Also the Marines, contrary to what a lot of people may say or think, are not really self-sufficient. They depend on the Navy to get around, they do a lot of their training at Army bases - in fact most of the armed forces do various advanced training at Army bases - heck Marines do not even have medics, that is something else they depend on the Navy for.
I think, though, that most people would agree that a Marine's training is much more rigorous than any other armed service, not including the special operations people.
That is like the difference between night and day. I think the easiest way to describe the different missions is to say that Marines practice (for the most part) conventional warfare and SEALS practice unconventional warfare. You can watch the news and hear about what the Marines did and are doing. You will hardly, if ever, hear about what a SEAL team does.
I have the privalage of knowing an individual who was a SEAL years ago. There is so much stuff that he could not talk about even if he wanted to, and the stuff that he could talk about he doesn't. The very few special operators I have ever met seem to be quite modest in what they did and my understanding is that it is almost a universal personality trait of those men.
If football speaks for anything I think Navy's been kicking some arse in recent years, though historically Army still leads in total number of wins.
Two completely different branches - you can't compare the two.
Here is the current active duty strength for each branch:
Air Force: 379,086
Army: 493,816
Coast Guard: 39,773
Marine Corps: 175,616
Navy: 377,369
Air Force: 379,086
Army: 493,816
Coast Guard: 39,773
Marine Corps: 175,616
Navy: 377,369
I don't necessarily know about Marines being classified as Special Forces. Their training is intense and brutal but from all the Marines I've talked to, they're not specialized enough to be considered true elite special forces. They also don't have to be airborne certified and go through Ranger school, which from what I hear makes Marine boot camp look easy. (Although much harder than the Army boot camp)
I'm not an expert by any means though, this is just based off my friend's experiences in the core and the Army.
Babbles
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My understaning, is that their missions are different. You can not just directly compare Delta vs. Green Berets vs *whomever*. Green Berets are the most cerebal of the Special Forces. I believe they are older, nearly always college education, speak multiple languages and again are trained to use their brains moreso than other units. I would say something like maybe Delta guys are physically tougher, but Green Berets are smarter. Of course those are generalizations, but for instance in Afganistan you had Green Berets roaming around trying to set up coalitions, alliances, secure targets set up revolts against the Taliban etcetera. They were not there just to kick down doors and take out some sort of target.
kage69
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As I understand it, Green Berets are specialized in demolitions and training indigenous forces. I don't consider them to be in the same group as SEALs, Delta, Recon, but they're certainly not nancies.
Spetznaza! Yep, they're hardcore. Aren't they called 'Alfa' now or something?
Spetznaza! Yep, they're hardcore. Aren't they called 'Alfa' now or something?
SEALs (for small unit actions). But you wouldnt want them to, say, take an airport. Thats what Rangers are for.
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