Deus Ex Performance Thread

[Aikouka]

AMD's doesn't really have a method -- 99 percent of their support for 3d stereo PC gaming is supplied by third parties. It really isn't nVidia vs AMD when it comes to 3d stereo but more-so the software/support nVidia vs Iz3d or DDD.

I'm not sure if you misunderstood what I said, but there's always a method. The method in question refers to the technique used to provide the data to the display.

There's claims that AMD's method is better because it uses the TV-based standards, but there's a problem that I think is being ignored. The issue is that while AMD's method utilizes a more common approach, the transmission method is not compatible with most monitors... I'd go as far as to say that more computer monitors accept nVidia's 120Hz method than the standard 3D methods.

That would be why I had to drag my extra PC downstairs just to hook it up to my TV.

 

[SirPauly]

Don't see why that would be a big deal: IZ3d and DDD support Stereo3d under HDMI as well and so does nVidia.

 

[peonyu]

your cpu would be more of an issue in that game. you probably would not get but about 70-75% of what your card is capable of.

Intel's Dual core Cpu still trounces Multi-Core Phenoms, cant be that bad really. Im not flaming AMD or anything, but its hard not to notice that their 4 and 6 core Cpus were losing to a dual core I3 in a Multi core loving game.

 

[Attic]

Well it seems to run fine on everything, sad the visuals are so weak:
e.g.
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTMxNDAzNjMxNlNtcEpVSVVXR1lfM18xMV9sLmpwZw==

Where's the shadows gone - can't see any character shadows let alone shadowing on the clothes to give them some depth. Skin and hair look exactly the same as cloth - they don't look like skin or hair. The clothes look completely flat, no obvious layering. The ground and walls are just flat textures not tessellated or even bump mapped. Everything is very square. No bloom or hdr effect of the light shining though the door at all. The colours are UE3 brown (I know it's not UE3 but it reminds me of GOW and other games where they only had a pallet of browns).

Still if game play is good visuals don't matter too much.

You bring up some of the main drawbacks, visually speaking, that i've noticed in my ~8hrs of gameplay so far. I've noticed the lack of shadows as a drawback to immersion. Some of the textures, clothing especially are extremely bland and without character. Though some characters are done extremely well here, Megan Reed and her mom come to mind as two characters that really felt alive to me.

Off topic here a bit, but what I would like to see in this and other games are perhaps some debri being blown across a city street. Waving flags in front of a police station are nice, but i'd like to have some more visual cues that the world is dynamic and breathing. Dues Ex: HR has areas that feel depressing due to a void created from the lack of a vibrant breathing world.


Beyond those drawbacks, i'm still fascinated by the world and my musings above amount to mere nitpicking's when I consider how enthralled and immersed I have gotten so far with my playtime in this gem.

Also, changing my FOV to 90 from 75 for a 16:9 monitor helped the feel quite a bit. I'm trying 90 and 95. 75 felt like I was playing with blinders on.

 

[96Firebird]

Is the option grayed out because it only works with Quad Buffering or cause you use and nvidia card?

If it's the latter then it smell like batman AA all over again, but this time it's AMD pulling the dirty tricks that hurt PC gaming.

Well, looking at the link below, it seems there is a workaround to get Nvidia 3D to work.

You can re-enable 3d for nvidia by tweaking the registry.

http://widescreengamingforum.com/fo...c-3d-discussions/16660/workaround-enabling-3d

I havnt seen reports of what it looks like though.

So, whose idea was it to change the registry? Perhaps the developers didn't have time to troubleshoot Nvidia 3D, and decided to leave it up to a later patch to enable?

 

[SirPauly]

It's messed up but at least one can enable it. With hopefully constructive comments, maybe Eidos may offer a patch to improve Stereo3d over-all. It was still good to see some developer work from AMD though with Stereo3d and try to create more awareness for Stereo3d. The added DirectX 11 effects are certainly welcomed.

 

[waffleironhead]

It's messed up but at least one can enable it. With hopefully constructive comments, maybe Eidos may offer a patch to improve Stereo3d over-all. It was still good to see some developer work from AMD though with Stereo3d and try to create more awareness for Stereo3d. The added DirectX 11 effects are certainly welcomed.

I'm kinda confused about this whole 3d implementation. So, since its messed up, who is to blame here? Is nvidia's 3d dependent on the dev to implement properly or nvidia. On the other side, what is stopping the 3d that works on amd cards from working on nvidia cards?

 

[Seero]

I'm kinda confused about this whole 3d implementation. So, since its messed up, who is to blame here? Is nvidia's 3d dependent on the dev to implement properly or nvidia. On the other side, what is stopping the 3d that works on amd cards from working on nvidia cards?

It is really a Batman AA's in-game AA. In works, but you need to hack the game for it to work. In Deus, it is the in-game 3D control. (Excuse me if I got this wrong.)

 

[waffleironhead]

It is really a Batman AA's in-game AA. In works, but you need to hack the game for it to work. In Deus, it is the in-game 3D control. (Excuse me if I got this wrong.)

Can you leave the whole batman AA out of this? The rest of you post is a non-answer. I'm looking for more technical details.

 

[SirPauly]

I'm kinda confused about this whole 3d implementation. So, since its messed up, who is to blame here? Is nvidia's 3d dependent on the dev to implement properly or nvidia. On the other side, what is stopping the 3d that works on amd cards from working on nvidia cards?

Because the implementation is using a quad buffering API from AMD in Deus Ex. This works with AMD's GPU's in the 5 and 6 series. A lot of titles need input from developers for Stereo3d to shine over-all. With deferred renders and some shading you may see odd double images on lighting, shadows, and outlines of polygons on shaders -- like water effects. This is why having a pro-active nVidia, AMD and others are so important to help get improved Stereo3d content to shine. Even though this may not be ideal for all -- this Deus EX example -- it is good to see AMD get some of their content in there.

What the community may need to do is be pro-active and try to get Eidos to listen to some constructive views and offer a patch for their fine title. IT's not where to point fingers and place blame but how does one improve things and move forward?

 

[Silverforce11]

And you claim that Nvidia crippled ATI performance in all the games here and many more you haven't listed.
It's not at all possible that Nvidia was just faster/better. Not possible. Unpossible.

Of your list, which games were TWIMTBP and which were Gaming Evolved or GITG titles?

None of those games are AMD evolved, they are all the ones with NV logos at the start.. which i despise for wasting 5 seconds of my life everytime i boot up the game.

I did made an error in Hawx1, thats not TWIMTBP and its quite even in performance. It's Hawx2 thats blatantly obvious where NV = twice the performance of AMD.

Here, DeusEx is AMD evolved and runs fine for both vendors.. like almost all the AMD titles. How about you find me examples of AMD evolved titles that run like crap on NV hardware but really well on AMD hardware?? Won't be too many examples.

If you were to ask an impartial viewer to judge based on these results, it implies NV sponsored titles deliberately make games run much worser when possible on its competitor's hardware, which does not occur in AMD sponsored titles. While you can claim otherwise, the evidence is overwhelming and unlikely to help NV's image.

 

[toyota]

Intel's Dual core Cpu still trounces Multi-Core Phenoms, cant be that bad really. Im not flaming AMD or anything, but its hard not to notice that their 4 and 6 core Cpus were losing to a dual core I3 in a Multi core loving game.

well an i3 has more IPC than Phenom 2 and also has HT. the person I was replying to, as well as you, have a Core 2 duo and would lose to a Phenom 2 multi core in a game like this that effectively utilizes 3 cores or more.

 

[Keysplayr]

None of those games are AMD evolved, they are all the ones with NV logos at the start.. which i despise for wasting 5 seconds of my life everytime i boot up the game.

I did made an error in Hawx1, thats not TWIMTBP and its quite even in performance. It's Hawx2 thats blatantly obvious where NV = twice the performance of AMD.

Here, DeusEx is AMD evolved and runs fine for both vendors.. like almost all the AMD titles. How about you find me examples of AMD evolved titles that run like crap on NV hardware but really well on AMD hardware?? Won't be too many examples.

If you were to ask an impartial viewer to judge based on these results, it implies NV sponsored titles deliberately make games run much worser when possible on its competitor's hardware, which does not occur in AMD sponsored titles. While you can claim otherwise, the evidence is overwhelming and unlikely to help NV's image.

If I were to ask an impartial viewer? You're speaking for a hypothetical impartial viewer and what it implies to them? Seriously dude? Just stop right there.

 

[96Firebird]

If I were to ask an impartial viewer? You're speaking for a hypothetical impartial viewer and what it implies to them? Seriously dude? Just stop right there.

Yeah that part really made me LOL.

And I know my E8400 is showing its age... Even in BFBC2, I get some slowdowns. This PC will probably get turned into an HTPC when I build my new one.

 

[SirPauly]

It's Hawx2 thats blatantly obvious where NV = twice the performance of AMD.

It may be pro-nVidia from a performing tessellation point-of-view but where is the title crippled or doesn't play fine on Radeons? This title actually performs faster with tessellation than the original HawX did when it was a showcase title for AMD with DirectX 10.1 I believe.

All that tessellation and complaints but it doesn't hardly push nVidia products and really AMD products.

 

[Red Hawk]

I can't think of many AMD evolved title that runs like crap on NV hardware and great on AMD cards (The only one that comes to mind was Battleforge, but its been running well or better on NV cards for awhile). I don't think Dragon Age 2 was AMD evolved, was it? Thats was just NV didn't making proper drivers which they have fixed.

AMD wasn't as in-your-face about it as Nvidia is with TWIMTBP, but Dragon Age 2 was indeed a Gaming Evolved title. However I wouldn't blame AMD for the bad performance on Nvidia hardware, I would blame the developers who rushed the game out the door without proper quality control (which shows up in all aspects of the game, not just DirectX 11). AMD's Gaming Evolved influence just ensured the game didn't suck as much on AMD hardware as it did on Nvidia hardware.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution Performance Analysis

It seams that up to 1920x1080 and with MLAA NV cards perform better

Sweet! Looks like the 5770 is stable above 30 fps. I am so buying this tomorrow, it looks like the perfect thing to hold me over until Mass Effect 3. Then again, it may end up being better than ME3 on the story and writing side.

 

[notty22]

This story might interest where PC gamers, purchase this game.
GameStop Pulls PC Version of Deus Ex: HR Off Shelves

 

[Madcatatlas]

If I were to ask an impartial viewer? You're speaking for a hypothetical impartial viewer and what it implies to them? Seriously dude? Just stop right there.

So you couldnt refute what he said and must resign to attacking him?

 

[Keysplayr]

So you couldnt refute what he said and must resign to attacking him?

How do you refute a situation that doesn't exist? And what attack Atlas?
Did I look at him the wrong way or something?

 

[Silverforce11]

How do you refute a situation that doesn't exist? And what attack Atlas?
Did I look at him the wrong way or something?

I thought it was you mobs who recently asked me to generate a list, i generated one and now its your turn. Give us some AMD evolved titles that run like crap on NV hardware.

As per the arguments above, there's exceptions to most things, except with NV there's a trend.

Oh, i recently tried playing Darkest of Days and Cryostasis on my setup, it ran like balls. Wasn't surprised with the NV logo popping up. At least Red Faction Guerilla and #2 ran ok, with some chop but tolerable... i guess i can be happy NV didn't manage to fully cripple those games on AMD hardware.

 

[tviceman]

Oh, i recently tried playing Darkest of Days and Cryostasis on my setup, it ran like balls.

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. Turn off hardware physx on your AMD card and it runs fine. Quit omitting the fact that you are sabotaging the game's performance on purpose to make your statement valid.


http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3495/msi_geforce_gtx_460_hawk_1gb_video_card/index9.html A 5850 getting 77 fps at 2560x1600 resolution is the new "it ran like balls."

 

[SirPauly]

I thought it was you mobs who recently asked me to generate a list, i generated one and now its your turn. Give us some AMD evolved titles that run like crap on NV hardware.

As per the arguments above, there's exceptions to most things, except with NV there's a trend.

Oh, i recently tried playing Darkest of Days and Cryostasis on my setup, it ran like balls. Wasn't surprised with the NV logo popping up. At least Red Faction Guerilla and #2 ran ok, with some chop but tolerable... i guess i can be happy NV didn't manage to fully cripple those games on AMD hardware.

Stormrise.

 

[Red Hawk]

Played the intro sequence and it runs smoothly on my rig. You know, I might just do some benchmarks with Deus Ex Human Revolution and the other DX11 games I have, BF:BC2 and DAII. Any suggestions for a free benchmarking application I can use?

 

[Keysplayr]

I thought it was you mobs who recently asked me to generate a list, i generated one and now its your turn. Give us some AMD evolved titles that run like crap on NV hardware.

As per the arguments above, there's exceptions to most things, except with NV there's a trend.

Oh, i recently tried playing Darkest of Days and Cryostasis on my setup, it ran like balls. Wasn't surprised with the NV logo popping up. At least Red Faction Guerilla and #2 ran ok, with some chop but tolerable... i guess i can be happy NV didn't manage to fully cripple those games on AMD hardware.

Wrong. I asked you to list the exceptions. You'll be at it all week I'm afraid.

 

[Spjut]

Theres always the odd game or two where one GPU maker does unexpectedly better than the other. Here the lowly 560ti smokes the 6970 in Civ5 (as well as a few others):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-upsetting-the-250-market/9

In the overall picture, the current Nvidia 5 series still wops AMDs 69xx.

Civilization V is a special case, it is currently the only game out that supports DX11 multithreaded rendering, and only Nvidia currently supports DX11 MTR in their drivers...No DX10/10.1 cards are in that test, but Nvidia's cards there should also have been given an increase


Does this game allow DX10/10.1 cards to run under the DX11 path? Haven't seen anything about a specific DX10 mode and would like to know this before I get the game