Deus Ex Performance Thread

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Keysplayr

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This may be hard to grasp, but you can't define something by using the word you are trying to define.

I'm not trying to define anything, but you're asking me to in order to stonewall or paint your opponent into a corner. Not happening. :sneaky:

You also need to take into account the context of the word. "Proof" in the court of law means something very different from "proof" of some claim in molecular biology or "proof" in symbolic logic.

Do you understand the definition of "proof" if the context is "indisputable"?
I think that is totally self explanatory.


So what you've told me here is: nothing, and also nothing.

Not much to tell. You have your opinions which you believe are facts, and I'm knocking them down as just unbacked opinions. Satisfactorily so.

No, thanks.

"No, thanks." What? You don't know what TWIMTBP is about or you reject what TWIMTBP is about? Or other?



Let it hereby be noted that Keysplayr immediately turned this into a fan boy pissing match instead of a discussion. I said nothing about AMD and I really don't care what they're doing since I've yet to find an AMD Evolved game that runs very poorly on my nVidia GTX 460.

Incorrect. I attacked an argument that I felt was ridiculous. You are the first to cast the fanboy dispersion here.



And we have entered the realm of the absurd. Proof? Go back up to the top of my post. You have given every indication that you have no idea what that word even means in this context. You might as well be telling me "at least have kwyjibo!" or some other nonsense.

Yes...... Proof was asked for. Imagine that audacity!! :)

Blind hatred? What on earth are you on about? My suggestion is that the problems with Crysis 2 may indicate a possible example of an attempt to degrade performance on competitors hardware. That is, I gave one example and qualified that with the skepticism of "possible".

Blind hatred? Hmmm. Perhaps you're right. That was too strong. How about Blind extreme dislike.



Is that the marketing meme for next month?

Running out of material? You used that already. :eek:

You have a great career in politics ahead of you.

Thanks!!
 

peonyu

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its at stock 2.0. I even told him that would be like an E8500 running at 1.5-1.6.


Sounds like complete BS to me...Either that or he is basing his FPS off of a hallway or something, or he has a I3 cpu and doesn't realize it.

I have a Dual core CPU and ill post what my fps is once I get the game today. But my CPU is a beast DC @ 4.3ghz.
 
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Both Heaven 2.5 and HAWX2 produce acceptable/playable fps even with a single HD6950 in my system up to 1920x1200 in DX-11 max. Just because HAWX2 is a native DX-11 game and probable coded for Fermi's architecture doesn't mean it was crippling AMD cards.

Except it indeed was made to run worse on AMD, when there is a 200 vs 100 fps difference. The graphics is dull and any card can give high fps, but it gave NV a huge lead which directly benefits them the following way: In review benchmarks. Any review with Hawx 2 at the time automatically skewed the results heavily in NV's side as per the overall performance charts. Add Lost Planet 2 and Unigine in there and its a clean sweep.

Anyway, DeusEx is an awesome game, really doing the series justice. Play it to anyone who has not given it a go.
 

Keysplayr

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Many here fully understand the difference between how Nvidia's marketing department wants the program to be seen, and the reality of how it is implemented.

That's great. As long as you also fully understand that it's a conspiracy theory.

EDIT: In the interest of bringing the thread tone down to a simmer, and as per Idontcare's persuasive nudge above, I think tincart and I can calm down a bit.
Apologies if we were getting out of hand with the drivel.
 
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AnandThenMan

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As long as you also fully understand that it's a conspiracy theory.
I fully understand that you are calling it a conspiracy to try and discredit the issue. The word conspiracy has taken on a very negative connotation, which is why you keep using it. I suggest you look up the definition of the word, I don't think it necessarily means what you want it to mean.
 

Grooveriding

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Thread gets created about the latest AAA title and an early review with performance figures. Said figures show AMD as faster than nvidia. Nvidia fanboys roll in with inflammatory posts, the usual baiting and crowing about nvidia's single gpu card that none of them even own. References are made to performance in other games totally unrelated to the topic.

Bait is taken, thread degenerates into the usual back and forth, benches and discussion of completely different games get posted, some random financial statement is likely added to the mix.

Nvidia is called to task on their aggressive tactics to compete against AMD. Thread asplodes.

Seems to be a consistent theme about feelings of nvidia playing dirty that we see time and again over the years. Some posters stating their complaints and how it's negatively affected their gaming experience and nvidia apologists crying foul and demanding 'evidence'. Where there's smoke there is usually fire.

I think things like nvidia getting caught using viral marketers in tech forums to help generate positive buzz to sell cards. Then, the Batman AA fiasco - where one canny user discovered there was nothing preventing AMD cards from running AA in that game beyond a simple vendor check in the game's code. Which amounted to: 'not an nvidia card=AA disabled' Once that check was removed AMD cards ran anti-aliasing perfectly well with zero issues like any other game with AA. Or the company's CEO getting up on stage and showing a fake card saying 'here is a working engineering sample of our new DX11 card, it's releasing soon' just one month after their competitor was first to market with DX11 cards. Said working sample takes another six months to release and bombs in most's eyes. Good things from Santa Clara indeed!

Things like that will call a company's motives into suspicion whenever something is seen as being suspicious or awry. So when suddenly you see games utilizing a VC's resources towards rendering things that are invisible to the user or holding no IQ improvement, users start to wonder. After all, look at the track record.

A track record like that is also why you likely see tech enthusiasts who have a negative opinion of nvidia but don't see many people posting the same suspicions of AMD. In the past one could write it off to sour grapes about the performance of your brand preference, but these days AMD and nvidia are on near parity across the board, trading performance leads in different brackets.

It's easy to say well where are the photos or certified depositions proving all this. Who cares, who needs them, it's just common sense to see the writing on the wall. It's not iran-contra and not a huge deal. Just another company trying to make a buck any way they can. And nvidia will do anything to get a leg up. If it comes at the cost of screwing over a segment of the bracket who don't use their hardware, why would they care ? They hope you'll buckle and just buy their hardware. If it screws over their own customers with reduced performance, again, why do they care, they already have your money.

But why not create a thread to argue about nvidia and their business practices. This thread is about an amazing new game and how it performs :thumbsup::cool:
 
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Mem

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That's great. As long as you also fully understand that it's a conspiracy theory.

EDIT: In the interest of bringing the thread tone down to a simmer, and as per Idontcare's persuasive nudge above, I think tincart and I can calm down a bit.
Apologies if we were getting out of hand with the drivel.

You guys can come over to my thread in PC gaming if you want peace and quiet about Deus Ex:HR here http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2181429 ,we are a friendly bunch where there are no Nvidia/ATi wars and we all live in perfect harmony ;).
 

SirPauly

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Thread gets created about the latest AAA title and an early review with performance figures. Said figures show AMD as faster than nvidia. Nvidia fanboys roll in with inflammatory posts, the usual baiting and crowing about nvidia's single gpu card that none of them even own. References are made to performance in other games totally unrelated to the topic.

Bait is taken, thread degenerates into the usual back and forth, benches and discussion of completely different games get posted, some random financial statement is likely added to the mix.

Nvidia is called to task on their aggressive tactics to compete against AMD. Thread asplodes.

Seems to be a consistent theme about feelings of nvidia playing dirty that we see time and again over the years. Some posters stating their complaints and how it's negatively affected their gaming experience and nvidia apologists crying foul and demading 'evidence'. Where there's smoke there is usually fire.

I think things like nvidia getting caught using viral marketers in tech forums to help generate positive buzz to sell cards. Then, the Batman AA fiasco - where one canny user discovered there was nothing preventing AMD cards from running AA in that game beyond a simple vendor check in the game's code. Which amounted to: 'not an nvidia card=AA disabled' Once that check was removed AMD cards ran anti-aliasing perfectly well with zero issues like any other game with AA. Or the companies CEO getting up on stage and showing a fake card saying 'here is a working engineering sample of our new DX11 card, it's releasing soon' just one month after their competitor was first to market with DX11 cards. Said working sample takes another six months to release and bombs in most's eyes. Good things from Santa Clara indeed!

Things like that will call a companies motive's into suspicion whenever something is seen as being suspicious or awry. So when suddenly you see games utilizing a VC's resources towards rendering things that are invisible to the user or holding no IQ improvement, users start to wonder. After all, look at the track record.

A track record like that is also why you likely see tech enthusiasts who have a negative opinion of nvidia but don't see many people posting the same suspicions of AMD. In the past one could write it off to sour grapes about the performance of your brand preference, but these days AMD and nvidia are on near parity across the board, trading performance leads in different brackets.

It's easy to say well where are the photos or certified depositions proving all this. Who cares, who needs them, it's just common sense to see the writing on the wall. It's not iran-contra and not a huge deal. Just another company trying to make a buck any way they can. And nvidia will do anything to get a leg up. If it comes at the cost of screwing over a segment of the bracket who don't use their hardware, why would they care ? They hope you'll buckle and just buy their hardware. If it screws over their own customers with reduced performance, again, why do they care, they already have your money.

But why not create a thread to argue about nvidia and their business practices. This thread is about an amazing new game and how it performs :thumbsup::cool:

It is about the game and the reviews are pretty impressive and it's good to see AMD help developers improve this game for their customers and offer some abilities not found in the console. I like when AMD does it and when nVidia does as well.

Companies indeed have track records but so do posters.
 

Madcatatlas

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Thread gets created about the latest AAA title and an early review with performance figures. Said figures show AMD as faster than nvidia. Nvidia fanboys roll in with inflammatory posts, the usual baiting and crowing about nvidia's single gpu card that none of them even own. References are made to performance in other games totally unrelated to the topic.

Bait is taken, thread degenerates into the usual back and forth, benches and discussion of completely different games get posted, some random financial statement is likely added to the mix.

Nvidia is called to task on their aggressive tactics to compete against AMD. Thread asplodes.

Seems to be a consistent theme about feelings of nvidia playing dirty that we see time and again over the years. Some posters stating their complaints and how it's negatively affected their gaming experience and nvidia apologists crying foul and demanding 'evidence'. Where there's smoke there is usually fire.

I think things like nvidia getting caught using viral marketers in tech forums to help generate positive buzz to sell cards. Then, the Batman AA fiasco - where one canny user discovered there was nothing preventing AMD cards from running AA in that game beyond a simple vendor check in the game's code. Which amounted to: 'not an nvidia card=AA disabled' Once that check was removed AMD cards ran anti-aliasing perfectly well with zero issues like any other game with AA. Or the companies CEO getting up on stage and showing a fake card saying 'here is a working engineering sample of our new DX11 card, it's releasing soon' just one month after their competitor was first to market with DX11 cards. Said working sample takes another six months to release and bombs in most's eyes. Good things from Santa Clara indeed!

Things like that will call a companies motive's into suspicion whenever something is seen as being suspicious or awry. So when suddenly you see games utilizing a VC's resources towards rendering things that are invisible to the user or holding no IQ improvement, users start to wonder. After all, look at the track record.

A track record like that is also why you likely see tech enthusiasts who have a negative opinion of nvidia but don't see many people posting the same suspicions of AMD. In the past one could write it off to sour grapes about the performance of your brand preference, but these days AMD and nvidia are on near parity across the board, trading performance leads in different brackets.

It's easy to say well where are the photos or certified depositions proving all this. Who cares, who needs them, it's just common sense to see the writing on the wall. It's not iran-contra and not a huge deal. Just another company trying to make a buck any way they can. And nvidia will do anything to get a leg up. If it comes at the cost of screwing over a segment of the bracket who don't use their hardware, why would they care ? They hope you'll buckle and just buy their hardware. If it screws over their own customers with reduced performance, again, why do they care, they already have your money.

But why not create a thread to argue about nvidia and their business practices. This thread is about an amazing new game and how it performs :thumbsup::cool:



So I hear the 6970 is the card to beat!?

Will 580 beat it in a month or not?

Do we have any info about the graphics engine which is used in DeuxEx? Is this an engine in which AMD excels? or in which Nvidia excels (meaning there could be foul play at work?)


In anycase, i think it needs repeating: Thank god for AMD and their new offensive with GamingEvolved. It sounds so much better than titwmpter or whatever.
 

RussianSensation

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But why not create a thread to argue about nvidia and their business practices. This thread is about an amazing new game and how it performs :thumbsup::cool:

:thumbsup:

I don't understand why some posters won't just come out and say they prefer Brand A over B. There is nothing wrong with that. It's more respectful to say you prefer Brand A over B than say you are brand agnostic and yet continue to buy only Brand A, while trying to come up with flaky reasons and "facts" which put your brand in a positive light no matter what. If you are that passionate about your brand, buy the stock of the firm and support it that way, or work for the firm. :D

It's about games right? If you mostly play Civ5, HAWX2, Mafia 2 w/PhysX, Mirror's Edge w/PhysX, Batman AA w/PhysX, or use in-game custom resolutions, NV gives you the edge. However, GTX460 ~ HD6850, HD6870 ~ GTX560, HD6950 ~ GTX560 Ti and HD6970 ~ GTX570. Frankly, the only card that stands out as the outlier is GTX580. Even in the eyes of the most hardcore NV user, a factory pre-overclocked 570 is the better value. But of course the GTX580 is not about gamers who have sticker shock of $400-500 cards. It was never about value.

I just find it comical that some try to justify the huge price premium that a GTX580 has over the HD6970 and defend it in cases where it can't convincingly beat the cheaper 6970. Yet, all this time the real "killer" of the GTX580 has been NV's own factory pre-overclocked GTX570 for $300. And really, it's even hard to make a convincing argument for a GTX580 having more VRAM than the GTX570 since if you really needed more firepower for 2560x1600, you'd be gaming with 2x HD6950 2GB cards for the price of a single GTX580 anyway. . . The bottom line is GTX580 was like the GTX285 and the 6800 Ultra Extreme. You want the best, you pay for it, and there is a large diminishing return for every dollar spent at that level.

Get ready for more drama in the video forums Q1 2012. I can't wait to hear more arguments about how it's worth it to pay $150+ more for GTX680 and its 15-20% higher performance over a $350 HD7970. And how will that GTX580 fare in 6 months from now? Was that $10-150 extra spent a worthy "future proofing investment" over the GTX570? Somehow I doubt that the GTX580 users will even care since the majority will have sold their 580s and migrated to the 680 even if it costs $600.
 
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Zanovar

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Sorry offtopic :S,but how is that motherboard treating you russian?.,ive had my finger hovering on the buy button for a 2500k past few days and seen some very good prices on motherboard in question.any quirks?
 

SirPauly

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It's about games right?

Sure, but some may feel it is more than just the games. If it was just the games then let's all play on consoles then. It is the experience that the PC platform offers and tools and abilities the IHV's and ISV's offer that separate the console from the PC.

What can an individual add to the application to improve immersion and the gaming experience?

What amazes me is PC gamers are just arguing with PC gamers.
 

Red Hawk

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I just want to comment that I installed Deus Ex on my friend's computer, a Windows Vista desktop with a Core 2 Quad Q9300 and a Radeon HD 5570 (both stock clocks). Even with that very low-end card, the game seemed to run smoothly (~30 fps) in 1600x900 at medium settings. By medium settings, I mean normal shadows, normal ambient occlusion, 8x anisotropic filtering, MLAA, and with post-processing effects, triple buffering, and tessellation on. Yes, tessellation. This is a tessellated game that doesn't make low-end DirectX 11 GPUs choke and die!

I think this reinforces the conclusion by Tom's Hardware, that Deus Ex is relatively light on the GPU but needs a decent quad-core processor.

Also, if anyone is interested, Eurogamer's DigitalFoundry column has posted their multi-platform analysis of Deus Ex, complete with like-for-like 720p screenshot comparisons. Their overall conclusion is quite positive on all platforms.
 

RussianSensation

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Sorry offtopic :S,but how is that motherboard treating you russian?.,ive had my finger hovering on the buy button for a 2500k past few days and seen some very good prices on motherboard in question.any quirks?

- I haven't tried overclocking yet (will get around to it)
- Bluetooth is a nice touch
- This board is 16x/4x; so if you are planning to run 2 GPUs, I wouldn't go for it
- I am not using onboard sound since I find it inferior to a dedicated sound card (so can't comment if the onboard sound is better than P55-UD3R I had before)
- It's running stable at stock speeds (which I hope is true for any tier 1 brand)
- The UEFI is cool but, how often will a user be using it? Not really a selling feature imo once you stabilize your overclock you prob. won't be going into the BIOS that often
- Some people report having sleep/wake up issues with it. I don't use this feature so I haven't run into that problem. However, if you put your computer to sleep, this may be a problem for you.

I would probably go with the Z68 mobo if I was you since Z68 boards can be found without an additional price premium. The reason I went with P67 is because it was a Microcenter combo deal when I got it. If you have a MC near you, they are offering $50 off CPU+Mobo combo until tomorrow. That Gigabyte board in the deal is great too and a bargain for $255! But I needed at least 1 PCI slot for my X-Fi sound card.

If I was looking at a standalone board without a combo deal, this Asrock Z68 Extreme3 for $130 looks very attractive, as well as the Asrock P67 Extreme4. I am really digging their superior xFast USB 3.0 performance and the black / gold caps look.

P.S. That's an amazing overclock on the 5850 you have there!

Sure, but some may feel it is more than just the games. If it was just the games then let's all play on consoles then.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough with my post. I meant to say that if you play a particular set of games more than others, then if a particular camp performs better in such games, it would make more sense to purchase that brand's products for that user. While I am not too thrilled about the way that Tessellation was implemented in Crysis 2 (outside of the bricked walls), it does run faster on NV's hardware. In this case, it appears that GTX580 doesn't offer any playability advantage over cheaper AMD offerings.
 
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Zanovar

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- I haven't tried overclocking yet (will get around to it)
- Bluetooth is a nice touch
- This board is 16x/4x; so if you are planning to run 2 GPUs, I wouldn't go for it
- I am not using onboard sound since I find it inferior to a dedicated sound card (so can't comment if the onboard sound is better than P55-UD3R I had before)
- It's running stable at stock speeds (which I hope is true for any tier 1 brand)
- The UEFI is cool but, how often will a user be using it? Not really a selling feature imo once you stabilize your overclock you prob. won't be going into the BIOS that often
- Some people report having sleep/wake up issues with it. I don't use this feature so I haven't run into that problem. However, if you put your computer to sleep, this may be a problem for you.

I would probably go with the Z68 mobo if I was you since Z68 boards can be found without an additional price premium. The reason I went with P67 is because it was a Microcenter combo deal when I got it. If you have a MC near you, they are offering $50 off CPU+Mobo combo until tomorrow. That Gigabyte board in the deal is great too and a bargain for $255! But I needed at least 1 PCI slot for my X-Fi sound card.

If I was looking at a standalone board without a combo deal, this Asrock Z68 Extreme3 for $130 looks very attractive, as well as the Asrock P67 Extreme4. I am really digging their superior xFast USB 3.0 performance and the black / gold caps look.

P.S. That's an amazing overclock on the 5850 you have there!



Sorry if I wasn't clear enough with my post. I meant to say that if you play a particular set of games more than others, then if a particular camp performs better in such games, it would make more sense to purchase that brand's products for that user. While I am not too thrilled about the way that Tessellation was implemented in Crysis 2 (outside of the bricked walls), it does run faster on NV's hardware. In this case, it appears that GTX580 doesn't offer any playability advantage over cheaper AMD offerings.
Thanks for the info:),been reading up on various motherboards past few hours may just go with Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Intel Z68 gen 3,seems a graet board. desicions desicions.
Im UK btw russian prices are a bit nuts here:p:S
this card is stable 1050/1250:p,new sun created in case though:p
 
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Grooveriding

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Someone is enjoying DS:HR I think :eek:
 

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will I be able to play this game with my 9600GT on medium settings- 16x12 monitor, PII X6 @ 3.5, 16gb ram?
 

toyota

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will I be able to play this game with my 9600GT on medium settings- 16x12 monitor, PII X6 @ 3.5, 16gb ram?
you need more ram...

you will probably not be playing on medium at 1600x1200 with a 9600gt. a gt240 gddr5, which is a wee bit slower than your 9600gt, can only get 36 fps on lowest settings at 1680x1050.


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