Deus Ex Performance Thread

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AtenRa

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Civilization V is a special case, it is currently the only game out that supports DX11 multithreaded rendering, and only Nvidia currently supports DX11 MTR in their drivers...

Excuses, even before NV enabled MTR in their drivers Fermi cards were faster in Civ V.

I play the game everyday at 1920x1200 @ higher settings with 4x AA (DX-11) and its playable even with a single card in my system (frames depends on how big the map is and the amount of units and cities).
 

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is anyone with a dual core cpu playing this game? some guy in another forum is claiming to average 35-45 fps on an old E4400 which I say is BS. in review I have seen even a dual core twice as fast is not getting that for an average.
 

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It's ok if you dont want to play ball, cant think of many AMD titles that ran bad on NV even if you tried.

Stormrise is one example, good pick up.
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But the ball is in your court and if you'd put in as much effort to exonerate Nvidia as you do to try and discredit them, I guarantee you would get the results that you say you can't think of.
 
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But the ball is in your court and if you'd put in as much effort to exonerate Nvidia as you do to try and discredit them, I guarantee you would get the results that you say you can't think of.

Well the original complaint is that NV is a dirt bag when it comes to TWIMTBP titles (oh hi, crysis 2 thread!) and they will try their utmost when possible to cripple competitor hardware. AMD on the other hand, does not behave that way.

If you aren't going to defend that with your list, then i guess we know the complaint is right.
 

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is anyone with a dual core cpu playing this game? some guy in another forum is claiming to average 35-45 fps on an old E4400 which I say is BS. in review I have seen even a dual core twice as fast is not getting that for an average.


If he has the e4400 clocked to hell and back... then maybe.

This game is demanding on the CPU and relatively easy on the GPU.
 

Keysplayr

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Well the original complaint is that NV is a dirt bag when it comes to TWIMTBP titles (oh hi, crysis 2 thread!) and they will try their utmost when possible to cripple competitor hardware. AMD on the other hand, does not behave that way.

If you aren't going to defend that with your list, then i guess we know the complaint is right.

Look, I think I've made my point. Your sweeping blanket statement won't hold water. You continue to ask me for something all the while not producing what you were asked for. So be it. I'm satisfied.
 

AtenRa

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Try this one
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/17

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GTX570(43) is ~25% faster than HD6970(34,5) and 14% faster than HD5970(37,6)

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At 1920x1200 even GTX460 768MB is faster than HD6970, i wouldn't call those numbers negligible.
 

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Well the original complaint is that NV is a dirt bag when it comes to TWIMTBP titles (oh hi, crysis 2 thread!) and they will try their utmost when possible to cripple competitor hardware. AMD on the other hand, does not behave that way.

If you aren't going to defend that with your list, then i guess we know the complaint is right.

I have a list for you: I hear ya! Now go find me some developers that don't appreciate the help that nVidia offers for them. All this nefarious nVidia talk -- must be easy to find.
 

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You know, I wonder if Catalyst 11.8's supposed 30% improvement in forced MLAA applies to Deus Ex when using in-game MLAA...
 

AtenRa

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Cherry pick much? :p


This is taken from a fairly comprehensive list of games. I think it accurately represents overall performance.

Notice I didn't pick the 2560*1600 chart? Trying to keep it real.

We are talking Civ V performance only :p
 

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If he has the e4400 clocked to hell and back... then maybe.

This game is demanding on the CPU and relatively easy on the GPU.
its at stock 2.0. I even told him that would be like an E8500 running at 1.5-1.6.
 

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We are talking Civ V performance only :p

Sorry, I'm a bit confused then. Why? Did I miss where there was someone who didn't know Civ V runs better on nVidia equipment because of multi-thread rendering? Or, were you showing a title that runs way better on nVidia but isn't due to sabotage?
 

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Or, were you showing a title that runs way better on nVidia but isn't due to sabotage?

You still have no proof of this yet you brandish it around like a flaming sabre.
Prove it, else it's just an empty accusation. All you show are games that play better on Nvidia but will only accept this under the contention of sabotage. How ridiculous is that anyway? You don't understand what TWIMTBP is meant to do. Offer the very best experience possible in a game when using Nvidia GPUs. The name (acronym) of the program isn't TWIMTBPONAA. The way it's meant to be played on Nvidia and ATI.
 

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You still have no proof of this yet you brandish it around like a flaming sabre.
Prove it, else it's just an empty accusation. All you show are games that play better on Nvidia but will only accept this under the contention of sabotage. How ridiculous is that anyway? You don't understand what TWIMTBP is meant to do. Offer the very best experience possible in a game when using Nvidia GPUs. The name (acronym) of the program isn't TWIMTBPONAA. The way it's meant to be played on Nvidia and ATI.


Chill. I was asking a question. Not accusing anyone. Go jump on someone else.
 

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You still have no proof of this yet you brandish it around like a flaming sabre.

Clearly define what you would possibly accept as "proof" outside of statements from nVidia or game developer employees.

You don't understand what TWIMTBP is meant to do. Offer the very best experience possible in a game when using Nvidia GPUs. The name (acronym) of the program isn't TWIMTBPONAA. The way it's meant to be played on Nvidia and ATI.

Wow, you've really got the marketing meme's down good.

There are two ways to offer the "very best experience". One is to improve the performance of a game on your graphics cards, the other is to degrade the performance for everyone else.

Crysis 2 seems at least a possible example of the latter.
 

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Clearly define what you would possibly accept as "proof" outside of statements from nVidia or game developer employees.



Wow, you've really got the marketing meme's down good.

There are two ways to offer the "very best experience". One is to improve the performance of a game on your graphics cards, the other is to degrade the performance for everyone else.

Crysis 2 seems at least a possible example of the latter.

Interesting approach tincart. You want me to define proof. How about proof?
No definition necessary. Proof as would be accepted in court I suppose. In other words, ACTUAL data PROVING sabotage.

And what you call marketing meme is pretty much common knowledge throughout our enthusiast membership here. So yes, in that respect, I do have it down AS SHOULD YOU by now. :)

"There are two ways to offer the "very best experience". One is to improve the performance of a game on your graphics cards, the other is to degrade the performance for everyone else.

This ^ got me laughing a bit. Let me guess which one of your "ways" Nvidia holds and which one ATI holds. If you are going to accuse, at least have proof, not blind hatred accusations or conspiracy theories. If this goes on long enough, I think that it would be a wise thing to do to just call Nvidia the superior company all around. If they continue to offer better dev support, better performance, better overall experience than I could make a sweeping blanket statement indicating I see things that way and so should you. LOL. I'm just making fun here at the attempts being made at this.
And rambling at this point. :D
 

AtenRa

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Sorry, I'm a bit confused then. Why? Did I miss where there was someone who didn't know Civ V runs better on nVidia equipment because of multi-thread rendering? Or, were you showing a title that runs way better on nVidia but isn't due to sabotage?

Post 176, 177...
 

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Interesting approach tincart. You want me to define proof. How about proof?
No definition necessary. Proof as would be accepted in court I suppose. In other words, ACTUAL data PROVING sabotage.

This may be hard to grasp, but you can't define something by using the word you are trying to define.

You also need to take into account the context of the word. "Proof" in the court of law means something very different from "proof" of some claim in molecular biology or "proof" in symbolic logic.

So what you've told me here is: nothing, and also nothing.

And what you call marketing meme is pretty much common knowledge throughout our enthusiast membership here. So yes, in that respect, I do have it down AS SHOULD YOU by now. :)

No, thanks.

This ^ got me laughing a bit. Let me guess which one of your "ways" Nvidia holds and which one ATI holds.

Let it hereby be noted that Keysplayr immediately turned this into a fan boy pissing match instead of a discussion. I said nothing about AMD and I really don't care what they're doing since I've yet to find an AMD Evolved game that runs very poorly on my nVidia GTX 460.

If you are going to accuse, at least have proof, not blind hatred accusations or conspiracy theories.

And we have entered the realm of the absurd. Proof? Go back up to the top of my post. You have given every indication that you have no idea what that word even means in this context. You might as well be telling me "at least have kwyjibo!" or some other nonsense.

Blind hatred? What on earth are you on about? My suggestion is that the problems with Crysis 2 may indicate a possible example of an attempt to degrade performance on competitors hardware. That is, I gave one example and qualified that with the skepticism of "possible".

If this goes on long enough, I think that it would be a wise thing to do to just call Nvidia the superior company all around.

Is that the marketing meme for next month?

You have a great career in politics ahead of you.


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AtenRa

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From memory:
There is definitely a trend, when AMD invest in games they make it run the most efficient on all dx compatible hardware. They don't do shit features like over-tessellation (Unigine, Hawx 2 and now Crysis 2), feature lock outs or just generally run like crap on ATI hardware for some reason or another.

Both Heaven 2.5 and HAWX2 produce acceptable/playable fps even with a single HD6950 in my system up to 1920x1200 in DX-11 max. Just because HAWX2 is a native DX-11 game and probable coded for Fermi's architecture doesn't mean it was crippling AMD cards.