DER SPIEGEL: Blaming Palin Will Backfire

[Red Dawn]

if there's one thing Fox News viewers hate, it's pretty women who are villianized by the mainstream media.

If that was all they hated they wouldn't be so ridiculed.

 

[spidey07]

::Sigh::

Half the people on this board are fucking retarded. Its not a stretch to think that someone in the GOP has been made aware by police or the FBI the shooter was influenced by suggestive political slogans so they're removing all traces to minimize the fallout.

My second suggestion had nothing to do with the shooter being influenced by slogans, just that said slogans put politicians in political jeopardy after a shooting. Its cool how you make shit up though.

Obviously they're worried about something or they wouldn't be taking them off the 'net right?

Really? So now it's some conspiracy that they're trying to hide something and they secretly know they caused the shooting? THAT's why you think they're taking it down? REALLY?

Could it possibly be that while at the time, what Palin and others were saying was perfectly fine. But now, out of respect for the dead, it's not such a good idea right now? Nope, couldn't be that, it's some huge conspiracy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You know Giffords's office was vandalized after she voted for healthcare reform? So I guess that was just some nut too right, and not someone who believed the right's rhetoric that painted healthcare reform as a fascist communist Kenyan takeover?

If you want to connect the vandalism to tea party members you'd probably get somewhere. Now connect it to what Loughlin did, and I mean with evidence.

I think we've discovered a religion, faith based guilt.

 

[Gyhrg71]

Really? So now it's some conspiracy that they're trying to hide something and they secretly know they caused the shooting? THAT's why you think they're taking it down? REALLY?

Could it possibly be that while at the time, what Palin and others were saying was perfectly fine. But now, out of respect for the dead, it's not such a good idea right now? Nope, couldn't be that, it's some huge conspiracy.

My second suggestion had nothing to do with the shooter being influenced by slogans, just that said slogans put politicians in political jeopardy after a shooting. Its cool how you make shit up though.

No. Not I'm not saying its a conspiracy you fucking idiot.

You've proven my point however. If they need to remove that content out of respect for the dead then it shouldn't be there in the first place. It doesn't make sense politically!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

::Sigh::

Half the people on this board are fucking retarded. Its not a stretch to think that someone in the GOP has been made aware by police or the FBI the shooter was influenced by suggestive political slogans so they're removing all traces to minimize the fallout.

My second suggestion had nothing to do with the shooter being influenced by slogans, just that said slogans put politicians in political jeopardy after a shooting. Its cool how you make shit up though.

Obviously they're worried about something or they wouldn't be taking them off the 'net right?

Yes...it's "obvious" that they must be guilty of "something".

And I'll also agree with you that a lot of the people on this board are indeed fucking retarded.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

I don't just blame Sarah, she is just a part of the vast right wing conspiracy that existed then and has only strengthened now to the point of explosiveness as witnessed this weekend.

Oh god, you're hopeless. If you really think this guy was some sort of planted assassination attempt by right-wingers, then you're as crazy as he is.

 

[Red Dawn]

you're as crazy as he is.

You're just figuring this out about McGowen now??

 

[Gyhrg71]

Yes...it's "obvious" that they must be guilty of "something".

"Either these 2 feel or have knowledge that they somehow influenced the shooter (which I doubt, but until the investigation is over we won't know)"

You're perfect evidence for why a politician shouldn't use suggestive slogans and images, your brain twists everything.

If you disagree with me that they aren't worried about the political fallout then please give us a reason why they are removing this content from the internet.

 

[dali71]

There is just no way you can equate the propaganda coming from the left to that of the right. There is an order of magnitude in difference that is plainly apparent. Hell, look no further than the campaigns of the last election as proof. But anyway, if that kid had eyes and ears I can pretty much guarantee he was exposed to that hateful rightwing rhetoric as much as everyone else was. Yes he's also clearly obviously disturbed, and maybe he decided in 2007 he was going to do something like this. Or maybe it took 3 more years of the kind of vitriol spewed by the right to turn his screw enough to actually do it. I don't know. You don't know. But to defend those who overtly encouraged this very sort of thing, and created such an upside down environment where we actually have morons defending it because "maybe" it didn't contribute to this incident, is flat out sickening.

Aren't you the psychopath that wished for the death of another forum member?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

"Either these 2 feel or have knowledge that they somehow influenced the shooter (which I doubt, but until the investigation is over we won't know)"

You're perfect evidence for why a politician shouldn't use suggestive slogans and images, your brain twists everything.

If you disagree with me that they aren't worried about the political fallout then please give us a reason why they are removing this content from the internet.

How about this possibility...media fallout. It's already started even though there's no facts that even remotely connect Palin/Kelly to Loughner's actions. All we have right now are "intellectuals" like you in the media speculating and making baseless assumptions.

 

[irishScott]

wasnt the guy a gold standard nutter anyways?

No, he was your standard upstanding member of the Republican party. -The Left

Yeah, crazy man was crazy. The powers that be just decided to politicize things to their respective flocks.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I think the firebreathing rhetoric by the right is likely to increase the frequency of incidents like this one, but at this point there's no reason to believe that anything Palin did or said had any role in this particular incident. I for one, as a Democrat, love Sarah Palin because she and others like her are splintering the Republican party in a way that doesn't serve its long-term interests whatsoever. I don't know a thinking Republican who would support her for dogcatcher, much less President.

 

[Gyhrg71]

How about this possibility...media fallout. It's already started even though there's no facts that even remotely connect Palin/Kelly to Loughner's actions. All we have right now are "intellectuals" like you in the media speculating and making baseless assumptions.

Umm..yes, that was my suggestion as well.

Simple, either these 2 feel or have knowledge that they somehow influenced the shooter (which I doubt, but until the investigation is over we won't know), or they recognize that by using these slogans they've put themselves in political danger. If they were smart they would have recognized both of these possibilities from the start and not put themselves in this position.

My second suggestion had nothing to do with the shooter being influenced by slogans, just that said slogans put politicians in political jeopardy after a shooting.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Umm..yes, that was my suggestion as well.

Political fallout and media fallout aren't the same thing...at least in my book.

 

[trenchfoot]

Wow, it is just soooo interesting how FOX and their hired talking heads are handling this. It's like I'm watching a whole different station all of a sudden.

Well, back to normal in a few days I guess. Can't let the "implicative" and "symbolic" armed war on Obama and those demon commie-yet-fascist Dems get too cold. I'm sure they've already determined when to fire up the faux vitriole right down to the very second it's again "allowable".

 

[Gyhrg71]

Political fallout and media fallout aren't the same thing...at least in my book.

Wow, so if Palin and this guy suffered a media fallout from this you don't think it would risk a Political fallout huh?

Yeah, I can't think of the media ever causing political fallout in a case like this.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Wow, so if Palin and this guy suffered a media fallout from this you don't think it would risk a Political fallout huh?

Possibly yes...possibly no. Two different things Dr. Einstein.

 

[Amused]

Wow, it is just soooo interesting how FOX and their hired talking heads are handling this. It's like I'm watching a whole different station all of a sudden.

Well, back to normal in a few days I guess. Can't let the "implicative" and "symbolic" armed war on Obama and those demon commie-yet-fascist Dems get too cold. I'm sure they've already determined when to fire up the faux vitriole right down to the very second it's again "allowable".

So you're a regular Fox viewer?

 

[Gyhrg71]

Possibly yes...possibly no. Two different things Dr. Einstein.

Out of curiosity, how great do you think Palin would be as President?

 

[Throckmorton]

Who vandalized it? Why did they vandalize it? Where was Sarah?

You mean a Republican's office has never been vandalized, and we can't ever claim it was a left winger who did it?

Far leftys never go too far? Or do we just not report the incidents?

The far left didn't hate W? I could have sworn I lived through 8 years of vitiriol. Maybe I was dreaming?

This shit is hilarious.

Did you forget where I blamed the far left too? A couple weeks ago I was calling out the left for supporting Julian Assange and his blood soaked hands too.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Out of curiosity, how great do you think Palin would be as President?

Horrible. I hope Palin never gets elected to any political office again...evah!

 

[Throckmorton]

If you want to connect the vandalism to tea party members you'd probably get somewhere. Now connect it to what Loughlin did, and I mean with evidence.

I think we've discovered a religion, faith based guilt.

Hmm, you sound like the leftists insisting that there's no evidence that Wikileaks outing people put them in danger or caused them to be killed.

You don't see how creating this political atmosphere where your opponents are fascist communist Kenyan enemies of the state legitimizes violence? Oh I'm sorry, I think you prefer the term "2nd amendment solution" to "violence".

 

[zinfamous]

FNC reported that? Uh oh, someones now on Roger Ailes shit list at that station.

yeah, it was odd, to say the least. I didn't know anything about Gifford, either. My prejudices first had me assuming that she was Republican, and this Kelley guy was her democratic opponent, seeing as how FNC was devoting so much energy into this at the time.

Then I saw the pictures of him with his big gun and calling on people to "go shoot this chick." (inferred). The I realized he must be some Teabagger nutjob....which left me even more confused, lol.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hmm, you sound like the leftists insisting that there's no evidence that Wikileaks outing people put them in danger or caused them to be killed.

You don't see how creating this political atmosphere where your opponents are fascist communist Kenyan enemies of the state legitimizes violence? Oh I'm sorry, I think you prefer the term "2nd amendment solution" to "violence".

I've already said that there's too much rhetorical nonsense. Now if the left wishes to insist that Palin or the tea party had to be responsible in this specific case then they can go for it. When people answer as you do then the bottom line comes down to it should be so it is. Who knows? It did work for Bush and Iraq. Hopefully no one will ask embarrassing questions like why would a flag burning atheist who thinks the congresswoman wasn't bright and was apparently a grammar nazi would think palin was anything but an idiot. But faith based politics needs no proof. The flying spaghetti monster of politics knows all.

Palin is going to so love this.

 

[HomerJS]

Fox News and the right are going appepletic with feigned outrage with people who say Sarah Palins' rhetoric bears some resonsibility. Bet they didn't mention this prophetic clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7046bo92a4&feature=related

This will prevent any backlash.