DER SPIEGEL: Blaming Palin Will Backfire

[JD50]

You'd think the liberals would be sticking up for tea partiers like they stick up for Muslims.

 

[spidey07]

You'd think the liberals would be sticking up for tea partiers like they stick up for Muslims.

They will fight for free speech, as long as that free speech agrees with them. It's the pillar of liberal rhetoric.

 

[bamacre]

You'd think the liberals would be sticking up for tea partiers like they stick up for Muslims.

Actually it shows a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm sure you'd like to think they were, but I highly doubt it.

Their rhetoric has been no harsher than that coming from the left. Period.

All of this has been nothing but a disgusting attempt at political opportunism. Which, BTW, Beck is now rightfully saying. In fact, he didn't tone anything down. He called out the opportunists for what they are. Can't say I blame him.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/01/10/glenns-letter-to-the-american-people-politicians-and-media/

As much as I don't care for Palin or Beck, the attempts to use these people's deaths at the hands of an obvious schizophrenic to smear them is nothing short of disgusting.

BTW, it appears my initial impression after seeing his videos and reading the accounts of his school were correct. Experts are now saying all signs point to an obvious case of schizophrenia.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/01/11/sot.loughner.neighbor.kgun?hpt=T2

This from a guy who built his entire career out of nothing but political opportunism...

 

[mcmilljb]

This from a guy who built his entire career out of nothing but political opportunism...

Yeah because you never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk

Such as addressing mental health issues facing America, but we rather gloss over that for cheap political bickering.

 

[Throckmorton]

You'd think the liberals would be sticking up for tea partiers like they stick up for Muslims.

I stick up for tea partiers, but why would I stick up for Sarah Palin? She's the one making crosshairs maps.

 

[colonel]

The truth of the matter is that this shooting was turned into fodder to attack conservatives within minutes of the event. The left is the one making intentional misrepresentations and demonizing conservatives based on zero facts. God forbid that they yell bullshit. WTF are you smoking?

Zero Facts !!! I doubt it is necessary to remind anyone that Boehner was the one who said Steve Diehaus was a dead man on the house floor. Diehaus in asking for an apology and retraction said, "But it's not what you intended - it's about how the least rational person in my district takes it." you guys are full of it ...

 

[woolfe9999]

Funny, the only people I'm attacking are those who are trying to politicize the acts of a madman. Are you saying I'm no better because I'm calling people out for taking the deaths of innocent people and trying to turn it into political opportunity? Really, Red?

And tell me, if heated political debate and commentary is so dangerous, why isn't violent video games, music and movies??? This is the hilarious part where the left is stepping on their own dicks and haven't the foresight to see it. This game they are playing, if won, is opening the door to censorship. Thankfully the public is a bit smarter than that and is dismissing this crap.

If I didn't know better, Red, I'd say you bought into this shit.

Out of curiosity, why are you under the impression that the left defends violent content in video games? What little I've heard about censoring violence in video games and television has always come from the left. I've never heard of anyone on the right who has a problem with it. I think you're confused.

 

[theeedude]

Funny to see rightwingers care what the Europeans think of us

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Zero Facts !!! I doubt it is necessary to remind anyone that Boehner was the one who said Steve Diehaus was a dead man on the house floor. Diehaus in asking for an apology and retraction said, "But it's not what you intended - it's about how the least rational person in my district takes it." you guys are full of it ...

I know this may be really difficult for you...but please try to stay on topic. Perhaps you can comment on the relevant facts of the matter.

 

[trenchfoot]

Funny to see rightwingers care what the Europeans think of us

Well, when the supporters of the right constantly see their politicians go where no politicians have gone before in the manner of outlandish behavior, ideological fanaticism, threatening commentary and incessant contrarian intent to mollify the very supporters who make these politicians behave that way, one tends to find support in the least likely places.

 

[sportage]

So lets say for sake of argument that it doesn't matter if this shooter watched TV or was into talk radio...
The issue is that talk radio and TV can and does play a huge part in fueling the hate.
I point at Fox, Limbaugh and Palin. They know such negative talk will get them ratings as well as popularity. Otherwise, they would not go there in the first place.
Not exactly rocket science to figure that out.

The Sheriff was simply stating the obvious, that how this type of talk can, will and does send certain people over the edge. Ok, "possibly - maybe" not this guy, this time. But talk radio and TV has played their part in bringing out the worst in people for some time now. Maybe its always been that way, but never to this extent. With radio hacks and politicians that enjoy the 'fight", and know they are never held accountable, they enjoy crossing the line time after time.
Why anyone would pretend this not to be the case, or for some reason defend this low politics has hit, is to suffer self denial.
I get the full impression Fox and Limbaugh are trying to actually defend this insanity of hate politics. Why? Because it is the source of ratings for them.
All the while, a child is dead and a congress woman fights for her life.
For some deranged reasoning, there are people that believe this is acceptable behavior in todays world. And the telling part is, as some try and try to defend their deranged reasoning over the airwaves, the majority of people still know the deference between what is right and wrong. For those that can not comprehend the difference, talk radio, Fox and a few politicians have found their audience.

 

[trenchfoot]

Quite telling in the sense that Palin, and every rabble rouser like her from the right, is merely saying things and acting out in ways that they know their supporters want to hear and see.

 

[JD50]

I stick up for tea partiers, but why would I stick up for Sarah Palin? She's the one making crosshairs maps.

Cool, so you're going after DailyKOS as well?

 

[Red Dawn]

Quite telling in the sense that Palin, and every rabble rouser like her from the right, is merely saying things and acting out in ways that they know their supporters want to hear and see.

[cry] Leave Sarah alone [/cry]

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So lets say for sake of argument that it doesn't matter if this shooter watched TV or was into talk radio...
The issue is that talk radio and TV can and does play a huge part in fueling the hate.
I point at Fox, Limbaugh and Palin. They know such negative talk will get them ratings as well as popularity. Otherwise, they would not go there in the first place.
Not exactly rocket science to figure that out.

The Sheriff was simply stating the obvious, that how this type of talk can, will and does send certain people over the edge. Ok, "possibly - maybe" not this guy, this time. But talk radio and TV has played their part in bringing out the worst in people for some time now. Maybe its always been that way, but never to this extent. With radio hacks and politicians that enjoy the 'fight", and know they are never held accountable, they enjoy crossing the line time after time.
Why anyone would pretend this not to be the case, or for some reason defend this low politics has hit, is to suffer self denial.
I get the full impression Fox and Limbaugh are trying to actually defend this insanity of hate politics. Why? Because it is the source of ratings for them.
All the while, a child is dead and a congress woman fights for her life.
For some deranged reasoning, there are people that believe this is acceptable behavior in todays world. And the telling part is, as some try and try to defend their deranged reasoning over the airwaves, the majority of people still know the deference between what is right and wrong. For those that can not comprehend the difference, talk radio, Fox and a few politicians have found their audience.

What does the bolded have to do with the rest of your post?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Well here it is, from the woman who brought us "death panels:"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41036993/

Edit: link fixed

 

[Red Dawn]

Well Sarah can now write off the Jewish vote.

It's always all about her.

 

[colonel]

It appears that that she again cast herself as the victim. This speaks a lot to her character. I hope that Ms. Palin's private feelings have more introspection than these public comments, but sadly, all I have to go on is her statements, and I don't like what it tells me about her oblivious, self-centered character. Sad

 

[xj0hnx]

The Sheriff was simply stating the obvious, that how this type of talk can, will and does send certain people over the edge.

More like he is trying to cover his ass for not acting on a known deviants behavior, and trying to blame anyone but his department for not stopping him before he committed such a tragedy. The laws and tools were in place, and the shooter was a known problem.

 

[spidey07]

Looks like the backfire is continuing. Calls for the sherrif to resign not only for his immediate politicizing of the event but complete failure to act on threats.

http://nation.foxnews.com/clarence-dupnik/2011/01/12/calls-mount-sheriff-dupnik-s-resignation

Since he first opened his mouth on Saturday night to address the nation about the terrible shootings at a Tucson Safeway, Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been inaccurate, wrong, or completely biased in his handling of the case. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik must resign.

Never have we witnessed a prominent public figure so inaccurately and viciously politicize a national tragedy like Sheriff Dupnik did this week. And in all of his statements he has either been wrong or misdirected. This bitter partisan must go...

Sheriff Dupnik told reporters that shooter Jared Loughner may not have acted alone. It was a group effort. There were others involved. "We have photos." Sheriff Dupnik was wrong. Loughner acted alone.

Sherriff Dupnik told reporters that the killer Jared Lee Loughner had made similar threats in the past. Then yesterday the sheriff backtracked. He said there were no previous threats before the shooting...

 

[HomerJS]

More like he is trying to cover his ass for not acting on a known deviants behavior, and trying to blame anyone but his department for not stopping him before he committed such a tragedy. The laws and tools were in place, and the shooter was a known problem.

He was under investigation by various sources. he apparently made death threats at a college that was checked out by campus police. We don't know what that entailed and even if the results made it back to the sheriffs department at that time. An arrestible offense must be committed in sherrifs jurisdiciton for him to be picked up.

Has anyone asked why the state of Arizona didn't report his mental health issues to the Feds so he can be put on the do not sell him guns list?

George Bush got a memo stating Bin Laden will attack us and did nothing.

 

[spidey07]

He was under investigation by various sources. he apparently made death threats at a college that was checked out by campus police. We don't know what that entailed and even if the results made it back to the sheriffs department at that time. An arrestible offense must be committed in sherrifs jurisdiciton for him to be picked up.

Has anyone asked why the state of Arizona didn't report his mental health issues to the Feds so he can be put on the do not sell him guns list?

George Bush got a memo stating Bin Laden will attack us and did nothing.

That's not how it works and would be unconstitutional. Needs a court order and/or court ordered commitment to a mental institution. Otherwise a state could just arbitrarily deny your civil right to own a firearm.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet

A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs, including dispositions to criminal charges of found not guilty by reason of insanity or found incompetent to stand trial.

 

[piasabird]

It is freedom of speech. Just like putting a cross in a jar of urine. Too Damn Bad. It is a work of art.

 

[ElFenix]

sarah palin finally shuts up for once and the media can't stop talking about her. fsck.