DER SPIEGEL: Blaming Palin Will Backfire

[WhipperSnapper]

Hopefully Palin will get eaten by a carnivorous moose or a bear or something. I want to puke everytime I see the Dingbat on TV.

 

[HomerJS]

Just finished watching the speech and the Fox News coverage. I wanted to see how they handled it. For the most part ok although Chris Wallace couldn't help bitching about it going on too long. You know they had to find one bad thing.

I was ready to move on from all this stuff and turn off the TV when I saw a headline scrool on the bottom of the screen. Sarah Palin claims she is now is getting an "unprecidented" amount of death threats.

I don't believe it for one single solitary moment! What an attention grabbing whore. Everyone knows she has perfected being a victim. Trying to steal some of the spotlight from the President.

Good lord, me me me me me me me me me. Look at me.

 

[matt0611]

Yeah, the left got "owned" by reactionary right media being reactionary again, claiming the left is rooting for the killer.

Wow, how...reactionary. As Gonad said, the right has been beating the drum of violence for more than a year. Giffords said so herself. She called out Palin's actions directly and even reached out to the "right" to see if they can, together, stop this type of incindiary behavior and invective speech. Yet, somehow, the right still doesn't get it, they still inflame, still polarize, saying that the left is somehow "for" the killer.

Who, exactly, is "for" the killer but for the people trying to yet, again, polarize the country through fear? Limbaugh, the druggie amoralist, has no high ground to speak from. In fact, he is probably one of the more disgusting creatures of invective.

It's sad that you people still support such speech. Why not fight against ALL of it, why not call out Limbaugh AND Palin AND Huff AND all who use inciteful and violent imagery to forward their agendas?

That would be too easy.

Lol now that their is no evidence that this guy had anything to do with the right the left will try to backpeddle as you are here. Typical political bullshit. I never said anyone was for the killer anyway.

If you think for one second that most of the media and left was not reactionary as trying to pin this violence on the sarah palin, the tea party, talk radio etc then I'm sorry but you are just blind.

When you accuse people of being accessories to murder (in a sense) they have a right to defend themselves.

We can talk about violent imagary etc, nothing is wrong with that, but what the left did this weekend to politicize this killing in a matter of hours made me and a lot of people sick and it will probably backfire in the long run (that, IMO, is how they got owned, by making fools of themselves in a cheap attempt to score a political advantage)

 

[LegendKiller]

Lol now that their is no evidence that this guy had anything to do with the right the left will try to backpeddle as you are here. Typical political bullshit. I never said anyone was for the killer anyway.

If you think for one second that most of the media and left was not reactionary as trying to pin this violence on the sarah palin, the tea party, talk radio etc then I'm sorry but you are just blind.

When you accuse people of being accessories to murder (in a sense) they have a right to defend themselves.

I still do pin it on them. As the sheriff said, the inciting invective spewed largely by the right (and some by the left) has created a situation in which acts like this (even if this turns out to not be caused by it) can happen. In fact, they are happening, such as the exploding letters to Napolitano, the threads on Giffords and violence at her office earlier in 2010, the threats she and others received during the healthcare debate...etc.

All of that DOES factor into the situation at large, regardless of whether this situation can be directly attributed to it or not. We already know the guy was into a lot of the fringe conspiracy theories, such as those spewed by Loose Change and Zeitgeist, who knows if there was more there. What were his parents into? What did they say?

Many are quick to jump on his books or his drugs, but a guy that was into those videos was far from a liberal or communist.

 

[matt0611]

I still do pin it on them. As the sheriff said, the inciting invective spewed largely by the right (and some by the left) has created a situation in which acts like this (even if this turns out to not be caused by it) can happen. In fact, they are happening, such as the exploding letters to Napolitano, the threads on Giffords and violence at her office earlier in 2010, the threats she and others received during the healthcare debate...etc.

All of that DOES factor into the situation at large, regardless of whether this situation can be directly attributed to it or not. We already know the guy was into a lot of the fringe conspiracy theories, such as those spewed by Loose Change and Zeitgeist, who knows if there was more there. What were his parents into? What did they say?

Many are quick to jump on his books or his drugs, but a guy that was into those videos was far from a liberal or communist.

Ah yes, because if a democrat sheriff claims it so it must be true, even though he admitted he has "no evidence yet". He just "knows" right?
After all as he said "...one party that is trying to stop the other party that is trying to help the country" (paraphrased). Oh please.

 

[LegendKiller]

Ah yes, because if a democrat sheriff claims it so it must be true, even though he admitted he has "no evidence yet". He just "knows" right?
After all as he said "...one party that is trying to stop the other party that is trying to help the country" (paraphrased). Oh please.

Why does it matter what party the sheriff belongs to (I didn't even know until you said so)? Did he identify anybody's specific actions or the actions at large, or was he appealing to the higher morality?

Seems to me the sheriff is far smarter than you are.

 

[matt0611]

Why does it matter what party the sheriff belongs to (I didn't even know until you said so)? Did he identify anybody's specific actions or the actions at large, or was he appealing to the higher morality?

Seems to me the sheriff is far smarter than you are.

I don't know...maybe just the blatant partisan quote that I cited from one of his interviews? The fact that he is inferring its the right's rhetoric that caused this even though he admits there's no evidence at all for it?

Does not seem very smart to me...

 

[LegendKiller]

I don't know...maybe just the blatant partisan quote that I cited from one of his interviews? The fact that he is inferring its the right's rhetoric that caused this even though he admits there's no evidence at all for it?

Does not seem very smart to me...

I haven't seen him make a partisan remark yet, although I'll admit I haven't watched every single interview. Perhaps he has.

However, so what? Obviously you're just peachy with people tossing around this type of inciting speech.

 

[Lanyap]

Hopefully Palin will get eaten by a carnivorous moose or a bear or something. I want to puke everytime I see the Dingbat on TV.

I was flipping channels the other night and caught her show for the first time. She and Todd were fishing for salmon in a small boat and a curious bear started coming towards them . They freaked out and left.

 

[Throckmorton]

Maybe Palin is right and the crosshairs weren't reticles. They look more like this:

 

[xj0hnx]

Maybe Palin is right and the crosshairs weren't reticles. They look more like this:

Yea, that's it, it was secret Teabagger code, a call to arms for the White Nation to start assassinating politicians, yea, that's it, that's the ticket

Do you ever get tired of saying stupid things?

 

[jonks]

LOL @ "reasonable conclusions". It is just as reasonable to draw the conclusion that Loughner brought a gun to a knife fight like Obama told him he should.

That was HER conclusion, which she immediately preceded with a contradictory statement that inciting people wasn't possible.

 

[xj0hnx]

That was HER conclusion, which she immediately preceded with a contradictory statement that inciting people wasn't possible.

She didn't say they made a "reasonable conclusion", the whole episode is because they made unreasonable conclusions that she, Rush, and conservative rhetoric was to blame for the shooting ...with in minutes of the shooting.

 

[xj0hnx]

http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=QTdovjvGu5A

All those crazy conservatives need to tone it down, just look at them getting out of hand.

 

[Throckmorton]

Yea, that's it, it was secret Teabagger code, a call to arms for the White Nation to start assassinating politicians, yea, that's it, that's the ticket

Do you ever get tired of saying stupid things?

It's called sarcasm. Sarah Palin's aide jumped at the opportunity to call it something other than a reticle when that radio host suggested the "surveyor symbol" nonsense. I bet she wouldn't have jumped at this other symbol that looks nearly identical. :\

 

[jonks]

She didn't say they made a "reasonable conclusion", the whole episode is because they made unreasonable conclusions that she, Rush, and conservative rhetoric was to blame for the shooting ...with in minutes of the shooting.

You're missing the point of my post.

Palin said criminals are solely responsible for their actions and you can't point a finger at politicians for inciting them. Acts of criminality "begin and end with the criminals who commit them."

She then points a finger at the press for inciting people to violence.

It can't be both. Either people can be incited to violence and those who incite them bear some responsibility, or they can't.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

You're missing the point of my post.

Palin said criminals are solely responsible for their actions and you can't point a finger at politicians for inciting them. Acts of criminality "begin and end with the criminals who commit them."

She then points a finger at the press for inciting people to violence.

It can't be both. Either people can be incited to violence and those who incite them bear some responsibility, or they can't.

Just take a deep breath and accept that there are people in this world who will never, ever see that point.

 

[xj0hnx]

You're missing the point of my post.

Palin said criminals are solely responsible for their actions and you can't point a finger at politicians for inciting them. Acts of criminality "begin and end with the criminals who commit them."

She then points a finger at the press for inciting people to violence.

It can't be both. Either people can be incited to violence and those who incite them bear some responsibility, or they can't.

Ahh gotcha, pew, pew.

 

[werepossum]

It's called sarcasm. Sarah Palin's aide jumped at the opportunity to call it something other than a reticle when that radio host suggested the "surveyor symbol" nonsense. I bet she wouldn't have jumped at this other symbol that looks nearly identical. :\

I've also shot targets with the same graphic as Palin used. Damned aggravating things, too close to the scope reticle. My guess though is that Palin's were made by some graphic artist who intended to replicate a scope reticle, but was merely not familiar enough with it to get it right. I believe a surveyor's scope would also be contained within the circle, as would any optical device.

To the larger point, though, this cuts both ways. Both sides are claiming the other is inciting violence whilst denying that they are doing the same. But in the words of every kindergartner - he started it! Immediately after the shooting, Democrats started blaming Republicans. Even after it has been made abundantly apparent that this young man was not motivated by or even exposed to Republican and/or Tea Party rhetoric, the left continues to blame this on the right. So just as Palin cannot have it both ways, neither can the left.

 

[Throckmorton]

I've also shot targets with the same graphic as Palin used. Damned aggravating things, too close to the scope reticle. My guess though is that Palin's were made by some graphic artist who intended to replicate a scope reticle, but was merely not familiar enough with it to get it right. I believe a surveyor's scope would also be contained within the circle, as would any optical device.

To the larger point, though, this cuts both ways. Both sides are claiming the other is inciting violence whilst denying that they are doing the same. But in the words of every kindergartner - he started it! Immediately after the shooting, Democrats started blaming Republicans. Even after it has been made abundantly apparent that this young man was not motivated by or even exposed to Republican and/or Tea Party rhetoric, the left continues to blame this on the right. So just as Palin cannot have it both ways, neither can the left.

So creating an atmosphere where violence is seen as acceptable is the same as accusing someone of doing that?

 

[xj0hnx]

So creating an atmosphere where violence is seen as acceptable is the same as accusing someone of doing that?

You just can't help yourself can you?

 

[Throckmorton]

You just can't help yourself can you?

Wow, in two threads you're demonstrating your stupidity. You seem to be unable to understand really basic reasoning. Having fun posting meaningless responses to cover for yourself?


You right wingers seem to now be saying "Because you accused Palin of contributing to this venomous atmosphere, you're also guilty of doing what she did, which she DIDN'T do".


It must be nice living in a fantasy world where posting those reticle maps is perfectly fine, but criticizing someone for doing that amounts to inciting violence. Following that logic, EVERY criticism is "inciting violence". See how ridiculous that is?

 

[xj0hnx]

Wow, in two threads you're demonstrating your stupidity. You seem to be unable to understand really basic reasoning. Having fun posting meaningless responses to cover for yourself?

Nope, I guess you can't.

 

[Throckmorton]

Nope, I guess you can't.

Another stupid little post from the simpleton who thinks he's being clever. It's almost like you're imitating this tactic used by some of the established right wingers on this board. Aren't you embarassed?

 

[xj0hnx]

Another stupid little post from the simpleton who thinks he's being clever.

Another stupid little post from the foaming at the mouth libtard that thinks he has made some point. It's almost as if you're imitating this tactic used by some of the established loony leftist on this board. Aren't you embarrassed?