DER SPIEGEL: Blaming Palin Will Backfire

[theeedude]

Good to see Obama stay above the fray as the teabaggers and the liberals fight it out.

 

[trenchfoot]

It's mind boggling that your lust for all things Palin has you so concentrated on her fictitious roll in this tragedy. You hate her so much, but yet if the progressives stopped talking about her 80% of her presence on the internet would disappear.

LOL, well I can see where you might like to believe that, but basically, I see her as an oddity, a source of amusement, a freak creation of McCain's ego, a Democrat's dream-come-true-opposition, an easy target of ridicule, an out-of-the-loop repub who is a constant source of embarrassment and irritation to her own party, a legal department's nightmare come true, a constant source of material for the talk show circuit....in other words, a has-been no-future poser politician who is good for only one thing -keeping the kooks and well-armed krazies that form the base of the repub party riled up and out of their cages.

And if she weren't the self-appointed narcissistic patron saint of the Tea Party, I think she'd be a great homemaker and a most interesting person to talk with.

FUN!

 

[xj0hnx]

LOL, well I can see where you might like to believe that, but basically, I see her as an oddity, a source of amusement, a freak creation of McCain's ego, a Democrat's dream-come-true-opposition, an easy target of ridicule, an out-of-the-loop repub who is a constant source of embarrassment and irritation to her own party, a legal department's nightmare come true, a constant source of material for the talk show circuit....in other words, a has-been no-future poser politician who is good for only one thing -keeping the kooks and well-armed krazies that form the base of the repub party riled up and out of their cages.

And if she weren't the self-appointed narcissistic patron saint of the Tea Party, I think she'd be a great homemaker and a most interesting person to talk with.

FUN!

All that hate and yet progressives just can't stop talking about her. She's a bloody 50 car pile up that the loony left can't stop rubber necking at.

 

[marincounty]

Palin would disappear....if she didn't have her own TV show. Face it, she's an attention whore. I blame John McCain for all of it, he's the one the plucked her from obscurity to be his running mate for cynically calculated political reasons. Now she believes she's special.

 

[trenchfoot]

All that hate and yet progressives just can't stop talking about her. She's a bloody 50 car pile up that the loony left can't stop rubber necking at.

I couldn't agree more.:thumbsup:

And even the overwhelming majority of the left who aren't looney would agree with that too.

edit - Palin brings all of this on herself just being who she is. As long as she keeps herself in the news, of which she refuses to quietly bow out of, she will be a constant source of ridicule from the left and an embarrasment for the right.

It's her call.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Haha, yea, because you and "yours" are so understanding and open to discussion, give me a fucking break. You are right about one thing, it's absolutely disgusting.

Me and mine. Well let's see, one of "mine" spent her Sunday laying in a hospital bed with a bullet hole through her head. Here's how one of "yours" spent his Sunday:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...p-blames-leftist-for-giffords-shooting/69153/
And that's you guys' real fear in all of this, that this event might hurt your election chances. Well if your winning strategy is to keep churning out venom like you have over the past few years it damn well ought to. This is beyond politics, it's about basic decency, and God help this country if "yours" refuse to take this opportunity to actually start demonstrating some and are politically rewarded for it.

 

[xj0hnx]

Me and mine. Well let's see, one of "mine" spent her Sunday laying in a hospital bed with a bullet hole through her head. Here's how one of "yours" spent his Sunday:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...p-blames-leftist-for-giffords-shooting/69153/
And that's you guys' real fear in all of this, that this event might hurt your election chances. Well if your winning strategy is to keep churning out venom like you have over the past few years it damn well ought to. This is beyond politics, it's about basic decency, and God help this country if "yours" refuse to take this opportunity to actually start demonstrating some and are politically rewarded for it.

Sorry, Tea Party ain't my people, try harder. The left talking about decency is a fucking joke, where was your "decency" during this ...

http://www.google.com/images?q=bush...&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1013&bih=999

A democrat gets shot by lunatic and the blame you tried to square on conservatives fails, and backfires, so now it's about "decency", pathetic, hypocritical joke.

 

[werepossum]

Well there's a slight difference from the fact that the former contains no element of truth to it whatsoever while the latter actually does have, however minute, a basis in reality as Republicans largely were and remain adamantly in opposition to moving this country in a direction away from a place where it's OK to let people die because they can't afford health care. But I don't know why I bother when you and the rest of your gang prove yourselves time and time again to be beyond any rational thought or debate. It's your ideology or the highway with you types, as evidenced by Palin's further descent into inflammatory partisan rhetoric instead of taking her moment, even just pretending to act like an adult, and saying despite likely not having any direct influence over this person or event, the rhetoric over the recent years has crossed the line and needs to be toned back. No, the folks that say that are just trying to politicize this tragedy in your minds. It's absolutely sickening.

Democrats have jumped on politicizing this from its first moment. Besides several threads on this very site blaming this horrendous act on conservative/Republican rhetoric, a plethora of Democrat politicians from Obama and the Clintons on down to the local Democrat sheriff have blamed this shooting on Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin and talk radio and Republican vitriol. Several Democrat legislators have proposed legislative changes from criminalizing speech against government officials, to having only government-approved speech ("Fairness Doctrine") allowed on the airwaves. Republicans have been the ones saying this shooting was NOT politically motivated. Republicans have been the ones NOT proposing new laws or rights restrictions based opportunistically on this tragedy. Your transparent attempt to shift what Democrats are still doing into what Republicans are defending against is despicable. You are either very, VERY dishonest or very, VERY stupid.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Sorry, Tea Party ain't my people, try harder. The left talking about decency is a fucking joke, where was your "decency" during this ...

http://www.google.com/images?q=bush...&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1013&bih=999

A democrat gets shot by lunatic and the blame you tried to square on conservatives fails, and backfires, so now it's about "decency", pathetic, hypocritical joke.

There is a god damn difference between hate speech being relegated to signs and banners, and being broadcast 24 hours a day by "legitimate" media outlets and political leaders. Of course you know that already and are intentionally obfuscating, or you really are a complete moron. Either way I think pretty much cements you as tea party people.

 

[spidey07]

Backfire and back peddling continues. It's going to blow up in dems face, as predicted. Sheriff eating his crow...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/10/2009607/sheriff-loughner-targeted-giffords.html

Though Giffords may have been the intended target, Dupnik said there's no evidence that the shootings were part of a political agenda. Instead, he said, Loughner is deeply troubled, and "When you try to rationalize irrational acts, you wind up with zero."

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Democrats have jumped on politicizing this from its first moment. Besides several threads on this very site blaming this horrendous act on conservative/Republican rhetoric, a plethora of Democrat politicians from Obama and the Clintons on down to the local Democrat sheriff have blamed this shooting on Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin and talk radio and Republican vitriol. Several Democrat legislators have proposed legislative changes from criminalizing speech against government officials, to having only government-approved speech ("Fairness Doctrine") allowed on the airwaves. Republicans have been the ones saying this shooting was NOT politically motivated. Republicans have been the ones NOT proposing new laws or rights restrictions based opportunistically on this tragedy. Your transparent attempt to shift what Democrats are still doing into what Republicans are defending against is despicable. You are either very, VERY dishonest or very, VERY stupid.

Every time someone says anything critical about the right's behavior up to this point you all put on your patented right wing victim badges and play your "aww they are blaming us" card. You are sure as hell one to call anyone else dishonest or stupid. And you're either misinformed or outright lying over your assertion that it's only the Democrats who are proposing stupidity in response to this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/peter-king-strict-gun-control_n_807323.html
So which is it, ignorant or dishonest? You're not going to surprise me either way.

 

[xj0hnx]

There is a god damn difference between hate speech being relegated to signs and banners, and being broadcast 24 hours a day by "legitimate" media outlets and political leaders. Of course you know that already and are intentionally obfuscating, or you really are a complete moron. Either way I think pretty much cements you as tea party people.

It wasn't "relegated to signs and banners", not even close. What "hate speech" being broadcast 24 hours a day? I haven't seen anything even remotely close to 24 hour a day hate speech. Here's a clue for you, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's "hate speech". As far as your Tea Party push, once again here's a clue, just because someone doesn't agree with you, that doesn't make them "tea party people", pathetic.

 

[xj0hnx]

Every time someone says anything critical about the right's behavior up to this point you all put on your patented right wing victim badges and play your "aww they are blaming us" card. You are sure as hell one to call anyone else dishonest or stupid. And you're either misinformed or outright lying over your assertion that it's only the Democrats who are proposing stupidity in response to this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/peter-king-strict-gun-control_n_807323.html
So which is it, ignorant or dishonest? You're not going to surprise me either way.

Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, is planning to introduce legislation that would make it illegal to bring a gun within 1,000 feet of a government official, according to a person familiar with the congressman's intentions.

LOL. Another idiot trying to implement idiot laws, as if that's going to stop someone that wants to kill a politician from using a gun. This is the mental capacity of the anti-gun crowd, and a prime example of emotion driven, reactionary stupidity.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It wasn't "relegated to signs and banners", not even close. What "hate speech" being broadcast 24 hours a day? I haven't seen anything even remotely close to 24 hour a day hate speech. Here's a clue for you, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's "hate speech". As far as your Tea Party push, once again here's a clue, just because someone doesn't agree with you, that doesn't make them "tea party people", pathetic.

If you're going to quack and wear feathers don't get offended if someone mistakes you for a duck. And by hate speech, well, here's a prime fucking example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...-loughner-full-support-democrat_n_807543.html
That is about the most detestable comment anyone could make at this point and time and folks like you eat it up. It's not hateful because I disagree with it, it's hateful because it's overtly fucking hateful. Just like the rest of the rhetoric that has been coming from the right in it's near entirety over the past three years. But you folks go on and keep acting like it's something other than that detestable behavior over that time that has lead all of us to this aftermath mess. Keep pretending that this discussion would still be occurring if the tone had been more civil and respectful instead of "secret muslim" and "death panels" and "you lie" and "paling around with terrorists" and "2nd amendment remedies" and on and on and on. You folks brought us here, it just took a tragedy the kind of which the right has been calling for about as subtlety as a sledgehammer to have it's due light shown on it.

 

[matt0611]

If you're going to quack and wear feathers don't get offended if someone mistakes you for a duck. And by hate speech, well, here's a prime fucking example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...-loughner-full-support-democrat_n_807543.html
That is about the most detestable comment anyone could make at this point and time and folks like you eat it up. It's not hateful because I disagree with it, it's hateful because it's overtly fucking hateful. Just like the rest of the rhetoric that has been coming from the right in it's near entirety over the past three years. But you folks go on and keep acting like it's something other than that detestable behavior over that time that has lead all of us to this aftermath mess. Keep pretending that this discussion would still be occurring if the tone had been more civil and respectful instead of "secret muslim" and "death panels" and "you lie" and "paling around with terrorists" and "2nd amendment remedies" and on and on and on. You folks brought us here, it just took a tragedy the kind of which the right has been calling for about as subtlety as a sledgehammer to have it's due light shown on it.

Lol the left got so owned by this and they're still in denial

Typical reactionary overly-emotional lefties devoid of logic and thought.

 

[xj0hnx]

If you're going to quack and wear feathers don't get offended if someone mistakes you for a duck. And by hate speech, well, here's a prime fucking example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...-loughner-full-support-democrat_n_807543.html
That is about the most detestable comment anyone could make at this point and time and folks like you eat it up.

I had never heard that, but then again, to you anyone that doesn't agree with you must be listening to Rush and Beck 24/7.

It's not hateful because I disagree with it, it's hateful because it's overtly fucking hateful. Just like the rest of the rhetoric that has been coming from the right in it's near entirety over the past three years.

Jesus, you could cut your hypocrisy with a knife and spread it on toast.

But you folks go on and keep acting like it's something other than that detestable behavior over that time that has lead all of us to this aftermath mess. Keep pretending that this discussion would still be occurring if the tone had been more civil and respectful instead of "secret muslim" and "death panels" and "you lie" and "paling around with terrorists" and "2nd amendment remedies" and on and on and on. You folks brought us here, it just took a tragedy the kind of which the right has been calling for about as subtlety as a sledgehammer to have it's due light shown on it.

You reap what you sow? You're all butthurt now because after 8 years of the left doing exactly what you are criticizing, the right is doing it back, and now you want to play innocent? Who with in minutes of the shooting was targeting conservatives, Palin, Beck, and Fox without even a shred of proof, and when they fire back you are all up in arms about rhetoric? A democrat gets shot and all of a sudden every one that isn't a democrat is to blame, and now you cry about civility? Gitthafukouttahere.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Lol the left got so owned by this and they're still in denial

Typical reactionary overly-emotional lefties devoid of logic and thought.

This ^^^

Now they get to sleep in the bed they shit upon.

 

[Specop 007]

I couldn't agree more.:thumbsup:

And even the overwhelming majority of the left who aren't looney would agree with that too.

edit - Palin brings all of this on herself just being who she is. As long as she keeps herself in the news, of which she refuses to quietly bow out of, she will be a constant source of ridicule from the left and an embarrasment for the right.

It's her call.

I wonder how she ever got elected to Governor of Alaska, became the first republican vp candidate, wrote two best selling books that people lined up 24 hours before her book signing, was a keynote speaker at every conservative get to gether the past two years, keynote speaker at the NRA convention, lead the republican party back to the right, went out and actively campaigned for candidates all around the country and had time to stop off, attend, speak,greet and meet every family at a special needs convention, has been on the cover of Time and Newsweek a half dozen times, has generated more talk, excitement, hand wringing than any other republican candidate in ages, ya you're right she's an embarrassment.

If you don't like her fine, but I don't think you can call her a source of ridicule or embarrassment, she's very accomplished and has turned the republican party on it's ear.

Which by the way kicked the everloving SHIT out of the Democrats last round of elections.

 

[Craig234]

The righties on this page have left behind any question of their being decent human beings and shown themselves to be despicable and mindless.

They really make the point that there is no point in talking to them, which pretends there's a rational interaction possible that isn't.

Just because we WANT the 'rational discussion process' doesn't mean they are something they're not.

One of the problems politically with this sort of violence is that as much as we're seeing bickering over the 'blame game', it's nothing compared to once the cycle starts.

Once it's 'revenge', it's an endless loop of each side justifying more violence on the last.

Edit: this was started before Specop posted. His post does not qualify for the comment I made about righties on this page.

 

[matt0611]

The righties on this page have left behind any question of their being decent human beings and shown themselves to be despicable and mindless.

They really make the point that there is no point in talking to them, which pretends there's a rational interaction possible that isn't.

Just because we WANT the 'rational discussion process' doesn't mean they are something they're not.

One of the problems politically with this sort of violence is that as much as we're seeing bickering over the 'blame game', it's nothing compared to once the cycle starts.

Once it's 'revenge', it's an endless loop of each side justifying more violence on the last.

No one here is justifying violence craig (at least I'm not).

Lets not talk about rational after how "the left" acted this weekend. Its funny how the left always acts like its so much more moral, kind, responsible, respectful etc and then when push comes to shove they show when its more politcally advantageous to throw logic and rational discourse right out the window. This weekend is no better evidence of this IMO.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

You know, let's cut to the chase. Let's say the left's treatment of the right during Bush's terms was so uncalled for, so over the line, so inappropriate that all the the vitriol that has come from the right since was completely justifiable. You still didn't have to take that route. But you did. And here we all are. And all the same arguments against such behavior still hold.

 

[xj0hnx]

The righties on this page have left behind any question of their being decent human beings and shown themselves to be despicable and mindless.

They really make the point that there is no point in talking to them, which pretends there's a rational interaction possible that isn't.

Just because we WANT the 'rational discussion process' doesn't mean they are something they're not.

One of the problems politically with this sort of violence is that as much as we're seeing bickering over the 'blame game', it's nothing compared to once the cycle starts.

Once it's 'revenge', it's an endless loop of each side justifying more violence on the last.

Edit: this was started before Specop posted. His post does not qualify for the comment I made about righties on this page.

Blow it out your ass you self righteous, pompous blowhard. No one is "justifying" violence. The left couldn't wait until even one fact was in before they promptly threw blame to the right for this tragedy that had nothing what so ever to do with the right, after 8 years of the backlash against Bush, and the last three of the fighting back and forth now you want to act as if you want some kind of dialogue? Pardon me if I call bullshit. All this is, is an opportunity for progressives to stifle the opposition by pretending they care.

 

[HomerJS]

Too bad you can't tell the difference between shit and shinola.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsyS0oHLNFA

I give you a standing ovation for your originality

 

[Craig234]

No one here is justifying violence craig (at least I'm not).

I didn't say a single righty here is justifying violence. That's a straw man misrepresentation of what I said.

 

[LegendKiller]

Lol the left got so owned by this and they're still in denial

Typical reactionary overly-emotional lefties devoid of logic and thought.

Yeah, the left got "owned" by reactionary right media being reactionary again, claiming the left is rooting for the killer.

Wow, how...reactionary. As Gonad said, the right has been beating the drum of violence for more than a year. Giffords said so herself. She called out Palin's actions directly and even reached out to the "right" to see if they can, together, stop this type of incindiary behavior and invective speech. Yet, somehow, the right still doesn't get it, they still inflame, still polarize, saying that the left is somehow "for" the killer.

Who, exactly, is "for" the killer but for the people trying to yet, again, polarize the country through fear? Limbaugh, the druggie amoralist, has no high ground to speak from. In fact, he is probably one of the more disgusting creatures of invective.

It's sad that you people still support such speech. Why not fight against ALL of it, why not call out Limbaugh AND Palin AND Huff AND all who use inciteful and violent imagery to forward their agendas?

That would be too easy.