Demon's Souls

[gaidensensei]

Thats what the eternal warriors ring is for

Did you know it shaves half a second (0.6) stamina regen seconds at maximum?

That's how crazy I was with knowing about Demon's souls mechanics. :sneaky:

 

[Praxis1452]

tried to beat 3-1 instead of 2-2 today. No luck. got right to the end, just before the boss battle and then got myself killed by a black phantom with plague. Man, plague really really hurts. tried to go back and grab my 8k souls, but my axe decided to break at a bad time, and my only other weapon was pretty shitty. No grindstones on me at that point. boooo

No big deal, went back and got myself another 6 soul levels by grinding the red knight again. Now I can use great axe , it's even easier now. No need to lure the red knight, because I can just knock him down.

Also got enchant weapon. I know the damage scales with magic points, and obviously I'm currently a strength build, but it helps a loooot. Should I put more points into intel/magic? I have warding, but can't use it, and enchant weapon is great but more damage would be great too .

 

[gaidensensei]

Enchant magic and MAG weapon builds are based on MAG, like all stats it starts the first diminishing return around 30+, then the second severe return at 40+. Same thing goes on with STR DEX Faith etc.

INT is useless except for the mp and the slots it awards. I believe it's the second slot at 15 int, the third is 18 int.

For STR and DEX builds, in PvP most of them will use Cursed Weapon (gives a purple weapon aura), which requires 3 slots. Cursed weapon is a flat out +50% bonus to overall weapon attack, stacked with the bonus. You also lose a fixed percent of health per each hit, similar to Hiltless katana.

Magic weapon, on the other hand is a flat direct damage.. It also only requires 2 slots. I think it was like +100 magic damage or something over that, and there's a small modifier so when you add more MAG it goes like 100 + modifier*points added.. This is the stronger version of enchant weapon.


Based on your build, it's up to you which direction you want to take. Are you a PvP type, or are you a PvE. PvP tweak their characters to allocate the most they can get out for their soul level. PvE you can pretty much be all rounded and get by. In NG+ and after though, all monsters gain a huge innate resistance to magic damage and (speculated) some physical damage as well.

An STR build for PVP at level 100 would be something like, for cursed weapon:
STR 40+
DEX base or depends on final weapon choice.
VIT 40+
END 40 (stamina cap)
INT 18
Magic, Faith, Luck base.

Weapon: usually a Crushing +5 2h based weapon, like Crescent Axe (2h) or Great sword/Claymore -> instead of running around swinging like a fool, they do roll + r1 for a ~360 degree spin attack.
There are also 1h Crushing users though, Guillotine Axe is fairly popular.

The goal with 2h crushing builds are to knock down and beat their foes in a couple of hits.

Oh yeah, you CAN'T use warding and magic/cursing/enchant weapon at the same time.

 

[Praxis1452]

Enchant magic and MAG weapon builds are based on MAG, like all stats it starts the first diminishing return around 30+, then the second severe return at 40+. Same thing goes on with STR DEX Faith etc.

INT is useless except for the mp and the slots it awards. I believe it's the second slot at 15 int, the third is 18 int.

For STR and DEX builds, in PvP most of them will use Cursed Weapon (gives a purple weapon aura), which requires 3 slots. Cursed weapon is a flat out +50% bonus to overall weapon attack, stacked with the bonus. You also lose a fixed percent of health per each hit, similar to Hiltless katana.

Magic weapon, on the other hand is a flat direct damage.. It also only requires 2 slots. I think it was like +100 magic damage or something over that, and there's a small modifier so when you add more MAG it goes like 100 + modifier*points added.. This is the stronger version of enchant weapon.


Based on your build, it's up to you which direction you want to take. Are you a PvP type, or are you a PvE. PvP tweak their characters to allocate the most they can get out for their soul level. PvE you can pretty much be all rounded and get by. In NG+ and after though, all monsters gain a huge innate resistance to magic damage and (speculated) some physical damage as well.

An STR build for PVP at level 100 would be something like, for cursed weapon:
STR 40+
DEX base or depends on final weapon choice.
VIT 40+
END 40 (stamina cap)
INT 18
Magic, Faith, Luck base.

Weapon: usually a Crushing +5 2h based weapon, like Crescent Axe (2h) or Great sword/Claymore -> instead of running around swinging like a fool, they do roll + r1 for a ~360 degree spin attack.
There are also 1h Crushing users though, Guillotine Axe is fairly popular.

The goal with 2h crushing builds are to knock down and beat their foes in a couple of hits.

Oh yeah, you CAN'T use warding and magic/cursing/enchant weapon at the same time.

Thanks a lot. Yeah, I'll probably work on getting intel to 14-15 for 2 slots, and then 18 later on.

SL 38 now, 20 Vit, 21 End, and 26 Strength, Dex 12(for an early weapon I wanted to use), everything else at base for knight.

I just got invaded like an hour ago, and it was intense. I love it. I had barely cleared out the second room, enchanted my weapon right away and used my camera to hide and look around the corner. Tried to sneak attack him, but my weapon control was a bit poor. Knocked him down to 1/4 hp from my great axe, but just could not finish him as I tapped r1 too many times. It kept on swinging even though I wanted it to stop. This happened, a lot... I'll have to make sure I only tap once next time.

Fight lasted, felt like ages, probably around 15 minutes though. It seems like you really just have to either keep them knocked down, or else they will heal right back up incredibly quickly. I used like 10 late moon grasses. My opponent used more.

I actually 1h the great axe instead of 2h. Shield I find incredibly useful. He kept on spamming fireball until he ran out of mana I guess, and then would try to close with shield and spear. Never really used his shield as I would take off too much stamina I guess. He rolled quickly. My Purple flame shield pretty much negated all fire damage, though it did take big chunks of stamina off, but not quickly enough so I regenerated it easily enough. Interestingly enough, he used fireball on 2-2 stonefang, and the thing is, I had Purple flame shield + flame resistance ring so it really did like no damage.

Also, I think the system makes up for lag by letting things hit you, even if they don't appear to on your screen. I was hit by lots of fireballs(felt the controller rumble), but they were complete misses on my screen. My axe also rarely landed a direct hit, but he still got knocked down.

I beat him by finally by first knocking him down, waiting a second, as he would roll faster than I could get that second strike in, knocking him down again as he rolled into a corner, and that was that. An extra 3k souls for me. Still doesn't make up for all the grasses I ate though.

I probably will do PvP, so I'll build around that.

 

[BW86]

Oh yeah, you CAN'T use warding and magic/cursing/enchant weapon at the same time.

Sure you can. Whenever I PVP I either cast Second Chance/Light/Curse weapon or Warding/Light/Curse weapon depending on what build/weapon I'm using.

 

[gaidensensei]

My bad for wrong information. There's something I remember that can't stack with warding, what was it?

 

[Praxis1452]

My bad for wrong information. There's something I remember that can't stack with warding, what was it?

The other protection and anti-magic field I think.

 

[Praxis1452]

Hey, I love PvP in this game and am wondering what you think of specific builds? Post your own critique etc.

I was previously going to go Great axe Strength build with crushing great axe +5, but just looking at the meat cleaver stats makes me . Magic + physical with same moveset as great axe. Maybe a bit longer reach too. It'll require the investment of faith sl's so I'm unsure if I want to proceed that route.

Vitality 40
Will/Intelligence 18
Endurance 40
Strength 30
Dexterity 40
Magic 10
Faith 16
Luck 7

Is a setup on the demon's souls wiki.

I think I'd drop vit down to 30 and add it to strength to even out dex and strength.

Thoughts?

 

[BW86]

If you want to use the meat cleaver, you should either make a dex build or a str build. As the meat cleaver has an S rank in both dex and str - you don't need to get them both to high levels. If I were you I would make a str build. Thats what I'm in the process of doing and hes my strongest character so far. I've had magic, dex and faith builds. Cursed DBS +5 is hard to beat.

 

[Praxis1452]

If you want to use the meat cleaver, you should either make a dex build or a str build. As the meat cleaver has an S rank in both dex and str - you don't need to get them both to high levels. If I were you I would make a str build. Thats what I'm in the process of doing and hes my strongest character so far. I've had magic, dex and faith builds. Cursed DBS +5 is hard to beat.

currently I'm a strength build, but going through the playthrough, the ability to do high damage with arrows is so useful. Makes bosses soooo much easier. I figure if I can have a good end game PvP build that makes the playthrough easier, then I'll choose that.

 

[BW86]

currently I'm a strength build, but going through the playthrough, the ability to do high damage with arrows is so useful. Makes bosses soooo much easier. I figure if I can have a good end game PvP build that makes the playthrough easier, then I'll choose that.

Just use the lava bow and you wont have to worry about dex

 

[Praxis1452]

Just use the lava bow and you wont have to worry about dex

I'll try that, have to get enough hardstones to get +7 though.

 

[Dumac]

I'll try that, have to get enough hardstones to get +7 though.

You can buy them for pretty cheap from the merchant in 2-1 and 2-2.

 

[Praxis1452]

You can buy them for pretty cheap from the merchant in 2-1 and 2-2.

I think he's in 2-2 now. Only thing is, I've never actually been to him. I found the long path to flamelurker confusing with all those bugbears, so I've just avoided that area and used the short one. Guess I'll go farm souls and just buy a ton.

edit: maneater is really getting to me. my like 8th try on this. It's not even that he's so hard. Trying to lose the 1st man eater near the fog gate only works like 50% of the time. Also, my attack knocks the maneater back. Sometimes, he's on the ground, I hit him, and he automatically gets knocked off the bridge. This means I might as well just suicide because he absolutely cannot get back up if he gets knocked off when on the ground. This has happened 3 times already. Once, I had beaten the 1st and was on the second and he did a charge which knocked himself off.... Restart

FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

2nd edit: Another 4 tries and they die. Had to use waaay too many spices and herbs for that though. I beat the first guy completely normal, only used warding and great axe. 90% of the great axe animation cannot be stopped so I just hit through the minor pain. Knocked him out before the second could come through. Used turpentine to up the damage. Got instagibbed by the second guy. Two magic attacks in a row while I was knocked down. I even rolled but couldn't evade it. Did the same strategy again, and with my luck, the guy gets trapped in a neverending circle of landing and flying all while still shooting magic attacks at me. Finally got him to come down after waiting like 4 minutes and he dies.

Glitchiest. Boss. Battle. Ever. made me rage so hard. >.<

 

[Dumac]

I think he's in 2-2 now. Only thing is, I've never actually been to him. I found the long path to flamelurker confusing with all those bugbears, so I've just avoided that area and used the short one. Guess I'll go farm souls and just buy a ton.

iirc, he actually doesn't move on. He stays at both locations, but only sells the large shards in 2-2.

 

[Praxis1452]

iirc, he actually doesn't move on. He stays at both locations, but only sells the large shards in 2-2.

well, that must be another glitch, as I'm almost sure I did not kill him, but he's disappeared in my game. Read online that he sometimes disappears when/if you invade and the hosts npc is dead.

I can't believe I killed him, have no recollection of doing that whatsoever. I only go to blacksmith ed in 2-1 and never attack anything, so there's no reason he should be dead.

he's not in 2-1 so I assume he's gone. I can't be sure about 2-2 because I'm unfamiliar with the left side.

edit: actually reading about where he is in 2-2, I'm sure I never even made it that far on the side to kill him. I checked down there, but yeah, he's gone in 2-2 for sure as well.

 

[BW86]

I just got my str build up to lvl 60 last night. He has 31 str with the DBS+5/enchant weapon and I am just 1 hitting people in pvp, its awesome lol - Its already doing over 600dmg

 

[Dumac]

This thread is making me want to make yet another DS character, or at least continue to develop my faith build.

 

[Praxis1452]

I just got my str build up to lvl 60 last night. He has 31 str with the DBS+5/enchant weapon and I am just 1 hitting people in pvp, its awesome lol - Its already is doing over 600dmg

very very nice. I have like 30 strength, lvl 61 now. I put 16 points into dex to get lava bow, and 16 into faith to get two miracle slots.

I'm wondering, what levels do you invade on for the most part?

edit: looking at the DBS, it doesn't seem worth it compared to the meat cleaver. Meat cleaver has faster attack set, and roll AOE attack. Similar range, also meat cleaver requires no upgrades whereas DBS requires 5 colorless. Also, DBS 20 weight, which really is the biggest issue for me. I only have like 54 equip weight atm. Bit too high.

 

[BW86]

I've used both the meat cleaver and the DBS and the DBS just feels like it has more range. Maybe I like the large sword attacks more than the large axe attacks.

I invade 1/4 or 4/1 in soul form or just wait around to get invaded in body form. Make sure you have the foes ring on when you invade as it increases your attack damage by 20&#37;.

I'm going to get the meat clever when I get home from work and see how it compares to the DBS+5 on my str build.

Plus you can easily get colorless demon souls by glitching sparkly the crow, so don't even worry about them.

 

[Praxis1452]

I've used both the meat cleaver and the DBS and the DBS just feels like it has more range. I invade 1/4 or 4/1 in soul form or just wait around in body form. I'm going to get the meat clever when I get home from work and see how it compares to the DBS+5 on my str build.

Something to note, I think it's really a competition between, Great Axe, Meat Cleaver, and DBS.

DBS is pure strength based with fire bonus. Probably highest damage in the game, but with some penalties such as the weight and movement. Maybe a bit longer reach though.

Meat Cleaver requires three stats, and it mixes in a bit of magic damage for better or worse. Mostly physical still. Decently long reach + roll aoe(love this move). Slashing damage is a bit of a put off considering most armors.

Great Axe. From my own experience and what I've read, 90&#37; of the attack movement cannot be interrupted, so it's wonderful for attacking pole users such as mirdan's hammer.

Damage probably goes DBS>Meat>Axe. Range should be the same.

At the same time, despite the fact that great axe seems to be close to 100 less damage, I use it better. Of course, meat cleaver requires no upgrades, and my crushing great axe is only at +3. Quality great axe is supposed to be a lot better, but require many more points invested in dex, and so for lower SL's and even upto 120 I would think, crushing should be superior.


My biggest problem seems to be that I really want to get pure black, but playing online, it seems the entire world is pure white all the time? Is it really pure white? Because it's bright. Even after invading and killing 1 person, then dieing, I still see light, like it's not even back at neutral in a world. Pain in the ass.

I need pure white to get DBS, not sure how to do that. My character tendency is at pure black from invading so damn much so I have poor health. . Need to farm greystones, but I don't feel like using ephemeral stones yet. Save it for later. Also need to grab colorless. I wish there was a guide listing the pics and the specific number so I could check. Going by the brightness is a bit difficult.

 

[BW86]

My biggest problem seems to be that I really want to get pure black, but playing online, it seems the entire world is pure white all the time? Is it really pure white? Because it's bright. Even after invading and killing 1 person, then dieing, I still see light, like it's not even back at neutral in a world. Pain in the ass.

I need pure white to get DBS, not sure how to do that. My character tendency is at pure black from invading so damn much so I have poor health. . Need to farm greystones, but I don't feel like using ephemeral stones yet. Save it for later. Also need to grab colorless. I wish there was a guide listing the pics and the specific number so I could check. Going by the brightness is a bit difficult.

Invading doesn't change your world tendency only character. If you want to get back to white character tendency, just put your blue soul sign down and help other people. Also, when you log off and log back on, your worlds go back to neutral.

An easy way to get Pure white world tendency is just go to stone fang and beat all the bosses without dying in body form.

 

[Praxis1452]

Invading doesn't change your world tendency only character. If you want to get back to white character tendency, just put your blue soul sign down and help other people. Also, when you log off and log back on, your worlds go back to neutral.

I thought my world only went back to neutral if I logged off in the nexus.

I know invading only changes character tendency, but I swear i thought killing someone lowered your world tendency by 1 in that world. guess I was wrong. Oh well, seems the easiest way to do it is to regain my body then by beating bosses, and then just repeatedly dieing.

 

[BW86]

I thought my world only went back to neutral if I logged off in the nexus.

I know invading only changes character tendency, but I swear i thought killing someone lowered your world tendency by 1 in that world. guess I was wrong. Oh well, seems the easiest way to do it is to regain my body then by beating bosses, and then just repeatedly dieing.

If you log off the DS servers while in a world then log back on your world tendency will be the same, but once you go back to the nexus it will be reset.

If you want to get pure black world tendency, just use an ephemeral eye and kill yourself, don't let enemies kill you. Repeat 5 times and go back to the nexus to see your world tendency change.

 

[Praxis1452]

Invading doesn't change your world tendency only character. If you want to get back to white character tendency, just put your blue soul sign down and help other people. Also, when you log off and log back on, your worlds go back to neutral.

An easy way to get Pure white world tendency is just go to stone fang and beat all the bosses without dying in body form.

Beating bosses as a phantom doesn't work right? If so I only have the last boss left, so I guess it's a no go.

If you log off the DS servers while in a world then log back on your world tendency will be the same, but once you go back to the nexus it will be reset.

If you want to get pure black world tendency, just use an ephemeral eye and kill yourself, don't let enemies kill you. Repeat 5 times and go back to the nexus to see your world tendency change.

letting enemies kill me won't work?