Damn it's sad when a thread falls apart due to a pissing match

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Yep. There isn't an "easy" solution.

CkG

The thing is, it strikes me the only fix for the constant flame battles would be to ban or suspend the accounts of chronic offenders (Passions, say, or Edge3D, and no doubt others who don't readily come to mind), and I don't think that's a satisfactory solution either.

I don't have a problem with anyone speaking his mind, even if I wholly disagree, but some posters contribute nothing but friction. That said, I am very wary of restricting speech, and I wouldn't want to see people banned just because they have poor self-discipline as to the quality of their posts. I suppose the mods might be able to lock them out of this particular forum if they persist in posting nothing but flamebaiting.

Well, again -it'd have to be specifically defined as to what is allowed and what isn't. They don't seem ready to start down that road yet.

CkG

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
From what Cad says, it sounds like we're stuck with this format.

What if there was a thread where shameful posts (you know ones with personal attacks) was posted and it could be evidence of poor behavior-- so that nobody could forget? It would be sort of like a hall of shame to deter people. Maybe it could start over every week so as not to permanently disgrace people. It could be used as a sort of "you've misbhaved, talk to the hand" kind of thing which could be linked to.

That is a good idea.....what CAD says is correct though. It would need to be something the Mods would need to control and put the offensive/flame bait posts in. It's something that should probably be a sticky as well. Anyone want to propose this to the Mods?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Infohawk
From what Cad says, it sounds like we're stuck with this format.

What if there was a thread where shameful posts (you know ones with personal attacks) was posted and it could be evidence of poor behavior-- so that nobody could forget? It would be sort of like a hall of shame to deter people. Maybe it could start over every week so as not to permanently disgrace people. It could be used as a sort of "you've misbhaved, talk to the hand" kind of thing which could be linked to.

That is a good idea.....what CAD says is correct though. It would need to be something the Mods would need to control and put the offensive/flame bait posts in. It's something that should probably be a sticky as well. Anyone want to propose this to the Mods?

Good luck I'd volunteer but they usually don't agree with what I have to say

Oh, and I'd bet that there is a MOD or two following this thread anyway

CkG

 

[shiner]

Oh Mod...what say you???

 

[Gaard]

I'd bet my bottom dollar some here would try like hell to get a quote in there.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I'd bet my bottom dollar some here would try like hell to get a quote in there.

Sad but true......

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Sad but true......

True true. Some folks just relish being intellectual vandals like that. Maybe Mommy didn't pay them enough attention or something.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Sad but true......

True true. Some folks just relish being intellectual vandals like that. Maybe Mommy didn't pay them enough attention or something.

The law of unintended consequences.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Oh Mod...what say you???

?

CkG

 

[shiner]

Almighty and most merciful Moderator, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate trolls with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair intelligence for dialogue and debate. Graciously hearken to us as users who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from thread to thread, and crush the idiocy and arrogance of our enemies and establish reasoned conversation among conservative and liberal alike.

Amen.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Almighty and most merciful Moderator, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate trolls with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair intelligence for dialogue and debate. Graciously hearken to us as user who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from thread to thread, and crush the idiocy and arrogance of our enemies and establish reasoned conversation among conservative and liberal alike.

Amen.

Yoo hooo - Mr. Moderator....I see you....you are on my "buddie list" ...yooo hooo....Mr. Moderator I know you've read this thread too....yoo hooo...

Or I suppose I could just say "please"?

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Almighty and most merciful Moderator, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate trolls with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair intelligence for dialogue and debate. Graciously hearken to us as user who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from thread to thread, and crush the idiocy and arrogance of our enemies and establish reasoned conversation among conservative and liberal alike.

Amen.

Yoo hooo - Mr. Moderator....I see you....you are on my "buddie list" ...yooo hooo....Mr. Moderator I know you've read this thread too....yoo hooo...

Or I suppose I could just say "please"?

CkG

Say something bad about their mom. You might get a response then.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I just shot them a PM (though I'm probably not the only one).

 

[alchemize]

I suggest we all poke them with dull sticks.

 

[Infohawk]

Maybe we should have a poll with the specific rules that we want the moderators to enforce? Then they can enforce the winner (which will hopefully be specific). Maybe that will get the leviathans' attention. Any want to suggest some nominees?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

On some level I think it's great that we are even having this discussion, and that we can, regardless of political affiliation, agree on the proposition that this place needs more reasoned discussion and less flaming. That represents something very positive IMO.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Maybe we should have a poll with the specific rules that we want the moderators to enforce? Then they can enforce the winner (which will hopefully be specific). Maybe that will get the leviathans' attention. Any want to suggest some nominees?

This was what I proposed to them:

Basically, several of us, on both sides of the political spectrum, are thoroughly sick of the mean-spirited flamewars that have been consuming P&N. Our proposal is that the mods would create a stickied thread, in which only mods could post, that would document the nastiest insulting posts (accompanied by mod comments, if you feel that's appropriate). We had talked about rotating them out once a week, but obviously that would be up to you mods.

If you don't want to monitor all the posts yourselves for candidates, we could obviously notify you when someone is way out of bounds.

The idea is basically to create an asshole list, to single out users who are just cluttering P&N with pointless trolling. I think we all value the ATPN community, and are hoping to make it a more civilized community for debate and discussion.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
On some level I think it's great that we are even having this discussion, and that we can, regardless of political affiliation, agree on the proposition that this place needs more reasoned discussion and less flaming. That represents something very positive IMO.

If it weren't for the whole Korea discussion thing that took over this thread for a while I would say it should be stickied for a bit. That way people could at least see that it is something we all consider to be important and hopefully that will help.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Maybe we should have a poll with the specific rules that we want the moderators to enforce? Then they can enforce the winner (which will hopefully be specific). Maybe that will get the leviathans' attention. Any want to suggest some nominees?

Sounds good....want to make the thread with the poll?

I will be out most of the day tomorrow.....wedding out of town. But hopefully this will keep rolling on and we can get some civility back in here.

I must say I'm impressed by the overall attitude of those in this thread. It went off into La La land for a bit but on the whole it has been a nice first step back from the brink.

Ahhhh....grass roots movements....aren't they great??

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Maybe we should have a poll with the specific rules that we want the moderators to enforce? Then they can enforce the winner (which will hopefully be specific). Maybe that will get the leviathans' attention. Any want to suggest some nominees?

This was what I proposed to them:

Basically, several of us, on both sides of the political spectrum, are thoroughly sick of the mean-spirited flamewars that have been consuming P&N. Our proposal is that the mods would create a stickied thread, in which only mods could post, that would document the nastiest insulting posts (accompanied by mod comments, if you feel that's appropriate). We had talked about rotating them out once a week, but obviously that would be up to you mods.

If you don't want to monitor all the posts yourselves for candidates, we could obviously notify you when someone is way out of bounds.

The idea is basically to create an asshole list, to single out users who are just cluttering P&N with pointless trolling. I think we all value the ATPN community, and are hoping to make it a more civilized community for debate and discussion.

That works for me.....

 

[shiner]

One thing....if this actually works and some day we see the likes of dmcowen and passions arm in arm singing Kumbaya I want a freaking Nobel Peace Prize!!!!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Almighty and most merciful Moderator, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate trolls with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair intelligence for dialogue and debate. Graciously hearken to us as user who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from thread to thread, and crush the idiocy and arrogance of our enemies and establish reasoned conversation among conservative and liberal alike.

Amen.

Yoo hooo - Mr. Moderator....I see you....you are on my "buddie list" ...yooo hooo....Mr. Moderator I know you've read this thread too....yoo hooo...

Or I suppose I could just say "please"?

CkG

Say something bad about their mom. You might get a response then.

Yeah - a vacation

CkG

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
One thing....if this actually works and some day we see the likes of dmcowen and passions arm in arm singing Kumbaya I want a freaking Nobel Peace Prize!!!!

I'll give be the one to read you your citation.

I posted a poll on this.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Almighty and most merciful Moderator, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate trolls with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair intelligence for dialogue and debate. Graciously hearken to us as user who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from thread to thread, and crush the idiocy and arrogance of our enemies and establish reasoned conversation among conservative and liberal alike.

Amen.

Yoo hooo - Mr. Moderator....I see you....you are on my "buddie list" ...yooo hooo....Mr. Moderator I know you've read this thread too....yoo hooo...

Or I suppose I could just say "please"?

CkG

Say something bad about their mom. You might get a response then.

Yeah - a vacation

CkG

And the problem with that is.......

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Maybe we should have a poll with the specific rules that we want the moderators to enforce? Then they can enforce the winner (which will hopefully be specific). Maybe that will get the leviathans' attention. Any want to suggest some nominees?

Sounds good....want to make the thread with the poll?

I will be out most of the day tomorrow.....wedding out of town. But hopefully this will keep rolling on and we can get some civility back in here.

I must say I'm impressed by the overall attitude of those in this thread. It went off into La La land for a bit but on the whole it has been a nice first step back from the brink.

Ahhhh....grass roots movements....aren't they great??

I wouldn't want to make a thread until we had nominations for a good poll. It's hard to think of a specific definition of flame, but prohibiting comments like, "you are [insert insult]" might be good. But then how do we treat, "liberals are all selfish communists"? I wouldn't want those commends banned unless the liberal referenced was someone specific. I also wouldn't want to see comments like, "GWB is a moron" or "John Kerry is Hanoi John" banned either. I only have a problem with the personal inter-poster insults.