Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes...

[Sinsear]

The validity of the science has literally nothing to do with how its proponents conduct their lives.

We know. You're one of the "do as I say" types.

 

[fskimospy]

We know. You're one of the "do as I say" types.

I'm willing to bet that my carbon footprint is significantly smaller than nearly every person on this board.

Now I know you're just making things up, but why did you choose something so easily disproven?

 

[silverpig]

The validity of the science has literally nothing to do with how its proponents conduct their lives.

These aren't scientists, they're politicians, and the validity of their argument has everything to do with how they conduct their lives.

 

[fskimospy]

No. If one truly believes that the science is valid, one should live according to that belief. Otherwise, one is a hypocrite. And since they're the ones who are pushing this 'belief structure', how valid can it be? When I see these televangelists living by the science, I'll take what they're preaching seriously.

Again that's your choice, but their hypocrisy has literally zero effect on whether or not global warming exists.

 

[drebo]

Anyone else ever realize the similarity of the words "Scientology" and "Climatology"?

Seriously, regardless of what the "scientists" and media are telling us that the "science" and "data" say, the conclusions cannot really be all that dire if the people chiefly responsible for perpetuating the "science" do not themselves take it seriously.

There are litterally tens of thousands who offer differing views of global warming and climate change. They are almost never heard from. All we hear about are these same people who are burning more fuel and creating more emmisions in one trip to Europe on a private jet than the average citizen does in all of their activities over the course of a year.

It's the epitome of hypocrisy.

 

[daishi5]

I'm willing to bet that my carbon footprint is significantly smaller than nearly every person on this board.

Now I know you're just making things up, but why did you choose something so easily disproven?

Ok, I am not a climate scientist. I don't have the credentials to examine the data. Hell, I don't even know who the climate scientists are so I can listen to them. I have to take my data from sources I know, or alternatively I can trust someone whom I know is honest who says that another source is knowledgeable. It is a trust issue. The problem is, someone like Al Gore, I trust him a little bit. I know he is no snake oil salesman, so I trust him that the people who say global warming is super important because I don't know enough to judge them. Also, you can't just say they are scientists, remember the tobacco companies had doctors who said smoking is harmless. The problem is, the person I am getting this information from is not acting like it is important. When the people who warn me about global warming are not doing all they can to reduce their output, I tend to ignore them.

It is like Ghandi telling me to be peaceful while carrying an RPG, or a man telling me that we need to run for our lives while he calmly eats an ice cream cone. The actions of the people who are warning us are very important, and they may be the primary reason this problem is not being viewed as important.

 

[Darwin333]

I'm willing to bet that my carbon footprint is significantly smaller than nearly every person on this board.

Now I know you're just making things up, but why did you choose something so easily disproven?

Oooh, E-peen time... My carbon footprint is negative!!

However, I assume I am still considered an evil bastard as my motivation isn't saving the environment it is financial. Don't get me wrong, its a great added benefit but at the end of the day I wouldn't be doing it if it didn't pay the bills.

 

[werepossum]

Ok, I am not a climate scientist. I don't have the credentials to examine the data. Hell, I don't even know who the climate scientists are so I can listen to them. I have to take my data from sources I know, or alternatively I can trust someone whom I know is honest who says that another source is knowledgeable. It is a trust issue. The problem is, someone like Al Gore, I trust him a little bit. I know he is no snake oil salesman, so I trust him that the people who say global warming is super important because I don't know enough to judge them. Also, you can't just say they are scientists, remember the tobacco companies had doctors who said smoking is harmless. The problem is, the person I am getting this information from is not acting like it is important. When the people who warn me about global warming are not doing all they can to reduce their output, I tend to ignore them.

It is like Ghandi telling me to be peaceful while carrying an RPG, or a man telling me that we need to run for our lives while he calmly eats an ice cream cone. The actions of the people who are warning us are very important, and they may be the primary reason this problem is not being viewed as important.

Well said. When Al Gore says he expects the sea levels to rise meters then buys a condo near the ocean, when he owns multiple large homes and travels weekly on private jets and motorcades in limos and SUVs big enough to carry my Tracker in the back, there are two possible conclusions: (1) He doesn't believe in CAGW at all. (2) He believes in it, but thinks than making the majority live like 17th century peasants whilst he lives like modern royalty is a just and good thing. Or in other words, he is entitled to live like a king even if he is killing the Earth, sacrifice being something good to encourage the little people to do. Neither makes me want to takes anything he says as more than self-serving fluff.

 

[OutHouse]

You lived in Germany and drove to Canada etc. on your off days? I think you need a bit of clarification there, I at least am not getting what I am sure is your intent for the separation in the two lists.

i knew there would be one who would say "wow, you lived in Germany and you drove to Canada..." where is the rollyes icon when you need it.

no dumbass i drove to Canada while i lived in North Dakota have driven in Mexico many times and I flew to Panama in a C-141.

the purpose of the separated list is to show that i have been to more countries than most people have been to US states.

 

[dahunan]

Uh.. guess they never heard of the Internet ... an al gore invention... lol..

Just use streaming video and be done with all the pollution

 

[CitizenKain]

There are litterally tens of thousands who offer differing views of global warming and climate change. They are almost never heard from.

There are literally thousands who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens, there is a reason no one cares what they think either.

 

[Zebo]

Anyone else ever realize the similarity of the words "Scientology" and "Climatology"?

Seriously, regardless of what the "scientists" and media are telling us that the "science" and "data" say, the conclusions cannot really be all that dire if the people chiefly responsible for perpetuating the "science" do not themselves take it seriously.

There are litterally tens of thousands who offer differing views of global warming and climate change. They are almost never heard from. All we hear about are these same people who are burning more fuel and creating more emmisions in one trip to Europe on a private jet than the average citizen does in all of their activities over the course of a year.

It's the epitome of hypocrisy.

I had an inorganic prof in college (phD) tell me you could dump nuke waste in ocean with no problem Russians did it for years. I bet he's not invited.

 

[Patranus]

1200 limos? damn i didnt think they had that many in Europe.

According to the article some companies are diving many limos in from other countries (over 800 miles) to meet the demand.

 

[werepossum]

i knew there would be one who would say "wow, you lived in Germany and you drove to Canada..." where is the rollyes icon when you need it.

no dumbass i drove to Canada while i lived in North Dakota have driven in Mexico many times and I flew to Panama in a C-141.

the purpose of the separated list is to show that i have been to more countries than most people have been to US states.

Ah, e-penis wagging, now I understand. LOL

 

[MrEgo]

I'm on the fence with the whole climate change issue, but I have to say that arriving in private jets and limos does hurt their image. It does lower their credibility. Regardless of whether or not man-made climate change is real or not, I will not take any proponent seriously that arrives in a private jet that wants to preach to me about it.

Fly in a commerical airliner or drive your Toyota Prius there and then we'll talk.

 

[SneakyStuff]

There are literally tens of thousands who offer differing views of global warming and climate change. They are almost never heard from.

There are literally thousands who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens, there is a reason no one cares what they think either.

Nobody believes alien stories because the people telling them can't produce any credible evidence. In this case what these people (scientists/climatologists) are trying to say can actually be backed by scientific and historical evidence. Not sure about you but I think it's important to hear from both sides before forming an opinion on an issue like this.

 

[werepossum]

I had an inorganic prof in college (phD) tell me you could dump nuke waste in ocean with no problem Russians did it for years. I bet he's not invited.

LOL My college chemistry prof said the same thing. We don't create radioactivity, we simply concentrate it, so if you want a good way to get rid of it just punch a tiny hole in the barrels and dump them in the ocean and let it slowly disperse back into the environment.

Of course he also said that was stupid because there is a lot of energy still remaining in nuclear waste and even though we can't economically get it out now, we'll want it in the future. Since 30 years later most nuclear waste is recycled, turns out he was right on both counts.

 

[yuppiejr]

There are literally thousands who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens, there is a reason no one cares what they think either.

I was thinking the same thing while I watched An Inconvenient Truth... were they going to hand out Kool-aid and autographed copies of Dianetics at the end?

 

[werepossum]

Nobody believes alien stories because the people telling them can't produce any credible evidence. In this case what these people (scientists/climatologists) are trying to say can actually be backed by scientific and historical evidence. Not sure about you but I think it's important to hear from both sides before forming an opinion on an issue like this.

Scientific evidence that only they are allowed to see. When Joseph Smith did it with the golden tablets in his hat most of us laughed, but for some reason when scientists do it we're impressed. I'm not sure why the difference, it sure sounds more like religion than science to me. . .

 

[SneakyStuff]

Scientific evidence that only they are allowed to see. When Joseph Smith did it with the golden tablets in his hat most of us laughed, but for some reason when scientists do it we're impressed. I'm not sure why the difference, it sure sounds more like religion than science to me. . .

Both the supporters and opponents of anthropogenic global warming have published their views and also made movies with their respective supporting evidence.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0497116/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020027/

 

[GoPackGo]

This summit should have been done as a video conference to set an example...sounds more like the lords of the earth dividing the pie.

 

[Zebo]

Well said. When Al Gore says he expects the sea levels to rise meters then buys a condo near the ocean, when he owns multiple large homes and travels weekly on private jets and motorcades in limos and SUVs big enough to carry my Tracker in the back, there are two possible conclusions: (1) He doesn't believe in CAGW at all. (2) He believes in it, but thinks than making the majority live like 17th century peasants whilst he lives like modern royalty is a just and good thing. Or in other words, he is entitled to live like a king even if he is killing the Earth, sacrifice being something good to encourage the little people to do. Neither makes me want to takes anything he says as more than self-serving fluff.

It's both of those and more.

3. West and Asia use too much compared to developing counties and need restrictions so others can catch up.
4. Fossils really are depleting so we need to save them so my rich kids and their rich kids can still fly around the world unlike you peasants.
5. I don't like smog when I go visit my constituents in liberal cities so we need to get rid of that.

 

[StageLeft]

The validity of the science has literally nothing to do with how its proponents conduct their lives.

True, but how the proponents conduct their lives is telling on how they view the actual science. Do what I say not what I do fails the validity check at the basic level, even kids know it's bullsh*t when adults try and pull it on them because the person saying it doesn't really believe it, which is why they aren't doing it.

 

[fskimospy]

True, but how the proponents conduct their lives is telling on how they view the actual science. Do what I say not what I do fails the validity check at the basic level, even kids know it's bullsh*t when adults try and pull it on them because the person saying it doesn't really believe it, which is why they aren't doing it.

Not really. It comes back to the same argument of 'if you think taxes should be higher why don't you just start paying more yourself?', and it's equally fallacious. Global warming is a collective action problem and wide scale policy changes are needed, not fewer limos used by heads of state. Changing their method of transportation wouldn't do a single thing, and so to argue that heads of state should take meaningless action to show their commitment to science is silly.

 

[spidey07]

Opening video of Climate summit. Talk about your propaganda! Submit your monies and will or the girl gets it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIPYUlHv38&feature=player_embedded#