Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes...

[yuppiejr]

Using your 'logic' GWB and Cheney should be in Iraq. I'm all for it by the way. :thumbsup:



Oh look, another right wing nut job trying to paint climate change as a religion.

Good point, it's really more of a cult though the sustainable hemp jogging suits are a nice touch.

 

[wiretap]

What we're doing on this planet also seems to be effecting Mars. They've been seeing climate change as well.

 

[Fear No Evil]

What we're doing on this planet also seems to be effecting Mars. They've been seeing climate change as well.

Wow we really need to stop killing the solar system!

 

[GoPackGo]

Wow we really need to stop killing the solar system!

As I sit home watching the blizzard

 

[Robor]

As I sit home watching the blizzard

My A/C is on @ home. :awe:

 

[Darwin333]

Yes they do. My point was that choosing to have one person pay higher taxes themselves was a moronic idea, just like what people were saying here. It's also comparable to having someone who supports war with Iran go grab a rifle and personally invade the country without any help. They are all collective action problems.

Not the brightest bulb I see.

Let me first say that I think you make a very valid point.... However, I don't think you can compare it to Iraq or even taxes.

People, a lot of whom are just normal folk, are already walking the walk so to speak when it comes to global warming. They are doing their part often at great personal sacrifice. We are currently talking about people that would have to sacrifice relatively little in order to walk the same walk.

With that said, the people we are speaking about are also quite intelligent. They know damn well that nothing that would even come close to a solution will happen in the next decade. China, India and the rest of the "developing world" flat out isn't going to go along. The US might throw a very small bone towards certain goals but we aren't idiots either. If the majority of the pollution is going to continue growing and we are powerless to stop it, we are not going to seriously reign in our own at the moment. It would create even more economic advantages for countries that are already gobbling up a crapton of our jobs.

This is another reason I am not so sure about the current debate. There are plenty of things we can do that would have huge positive impact on the environment AND create jobs AND ensure future national security without giving China even more of an advantage over us. I find it very odd that there is very little talk about those types of things. Instead we have programs that make the elites richer from simply being a middle man, talk of giving away more borrowed money, and increasing the cost of doing business during a recession and double digit unemployment. That just doesn't make any sense to me unless their (our politicians) intent is different than what they say (huge surprise, I know).

 

[fskimospy]

Change starts one person at a time. You and the rest of the guilt-ridden libs can go back to the good old days of 70% (or so) marginal tax rates. The guilty libs don't think the poor have enough, fine. That collection of hand-wringers can give 90% of their money away and still live like kings; let's see them do it. But no, they have to live on their exalted perch so that they can better govern the new serf-class that they would see created.

You have to be poor; freeze in the winter and bake in the summer. I must remain comfortable to watch over you.

You must have second-rate health coverage. But I must have the best so that I can watch over you.

You must not have guns lest you hurt yourself. But I shall have my bodyguards to defend me so that I may watch over you.

You should not have the means to travel lest you pollute mother earth. But I must be allowed to travel the world to enrich myself so that I may better watch over you.

You must eat lettuce and pasta to promote good health. But I must eat steak so that I have the strength to watch over you.

You must not have evil cigars or fine Scotch. But I must have these indulgences because I must rejuvenate myself by partying because watching over you is so stressful.

Screw you!

You are a moron. I mean it. Not only is your post such a transparent straw man that a third grader could see through it, you seem to be fundamentally ignorant of the basic principles behind which a society functions.

Can you form a coherant argument as to how climate change, taxation, and military action can be accomplished relying on individual action when the cost/benefit analysis strongly promotes freeloading? Can you produce any argument that doesn't rely on emotional appeals and foaming in place of logical argument? The right loves to call liberals bleeding hearts, but I swear I've never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies in my life as I have in the last 10 months.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

The right loves to call liberals bleeding hearts, but I swear I've never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies in my life as I have in the last 10 months.

Only if you ignore yourself and the rest of your liberal comrade's actions since Nov 7 2000

 

[Patranus]

Copenhagen summit carbon footprint biggest ever

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - The Copenhagen climate talks will generate more carbon emissions than any previous climate conference, equivalent to the annual output of over half a million Ethiopians, figures commissioned by hosts Denmark show.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS...e=RSS&feedName=environmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Do as I say not as I do...

 

[StageLeft]

Bloomberg also flying there in his private jet (one of the two):

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/nyregion/13about.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

 

[umbrella39]

Using your 'logic' GWB and Cheney should be in Iraq. I'm all for it by the way. :thumbsup:



Oh look, another right wing nut job trying to paint climate change as a religion.

SSDRetard.

 

[blackangst1]

I didnt want to start another thread as it relates to the summit, but does anyone take algore seriously any more? What a fuckin fruitcake.

http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/45069-al-gore-shoots-self-climate-summit-in-foot

Al Gore shoots self, climate summit in foot


Oh dear. Saint Al Gore, the man who invented both the internet and anthropogenic global warming and made himself obscenely rich in the process, has banged yet another nail into the rickety coffin of the global warming religious cult by coming out with what scientists describe as 'a complete load of bollocks' at the Copenhagen climate worryfest.

Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, claimed that the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years. One would think that in the light of the Climategate scandal, the Blessed Al would make sure that his data was accurate and pretty much bullet-proof, but sadly he merely added to the pantheon of completely fabricated climate stats.

In his speech, Gore said: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”

Unfortunately, the scientist whose research was quoted by Gore, Doctor Wieslav Maslowski, rather pissed on his chips by stating: “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

A Gore spokesman backpedalled furiously, saying that the figure quoted was merely a ballpark figure that was mentioned in a conversation between the two men a few years ago.

 

[fskimospy]

I didnt want to start another thread as it relates to the summit, but does anyone take algore seriously any more? What a fuckin fruitcake.

http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/45069-al-gore-shoots-self-climate-summit-in-foot

Al Gore shoots self, climate summit in foot


Oh dear. Saint Al Gore, the man who invented both the internet and anthropogenic global warming and made himself obscenely rich in the process, has banged yet another nail into the rickety coffin of the global warming religious cult by coming out with what scientists describe as 'a complete load of bollocks' at the Copenhagen climate worryfest.

Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, claimed that the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years. One would think that in the light of the Climategate scandal, the Blessed Al would make sure that his data was accurate and pretty much bullet-proof, but sadly he merely added to the pantheon of completely fabricated climate stats.

In his speech, Gore said: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”

Unfortunately, the scientist whose research was quoted by Gore, Doctor Wieslav Maslowski, rather pissed on his chips by stating: “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

A Gore spokesman backpedalled furiously, saying that the figure quoted was merely a ballpark figure that was mentioned in a conversation between the two men a few years ago.

Yes, lots of people take Al Gore seriously. No, he's not a fruitcake.

In addition you seem to have selectively quoted from the article. The entire quote that the article says later on is:

“I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at, based on the information I provided to Al Gore’s office.”

So basically the scientist Gore was quoting thought the Arctic would be nearly ice free, just not totally. While it is important to relay accurate information, the scientist clearly agrees with Gore that our Arctic ice is going bye-bye.

 

[blackangst1]

Yes, lots of people take Al Gore seriously. No, he's not a fruitcake.

In addition you seem to have selectively quoted from the article. The entire quote that the article says later on is:

So basically the scientist Gore was quoting thought the Arctic would be nearly ice free, just not totally. While it is important to relay accurate information, the scientist clearly agrees with Gore that our Arctic ice is going bye-bye.

Well, in all fairness, pretty much everyone believes artic ice is going bye bye. But it's the time frame that algore believes that makes him a fruitcake.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, in all fairness, pretty much everyone believes artic ice is going bye bye. But it's the time frame that algore believes that makes him a fruitcake.

But it's not even clear that the scientist disagrees with his time frame. It appears that the scientist doesn't want his work used to make predictions that concrete, and that he meant the Arctic to be nearly ice free instead of totally ice free, but I don't see how this makes Gore a fruitcake.

 

[blackangst1]

But it's not even clear that the scientist disagrees with his time frame. It appears that the scientist doesn't want his work used to make predictions that concrete, and that he meant the Arctic to be nearly ice free instead of totally ice free, but I don't see how this makes Gore a fruitcake.

ORLY?

"“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

From another scientist: "“This is an exaggeration that opens the science up to criticism from sceptics. You really don’t need to exaggerate the changes in the Arctic.”

Come on man. The GOP has Palin and the climate crowd has Gore.

 

[StageLeft]

I didnt want to start another thread as it relates to the summit, but does anyone take algore seriously any more? What a fuckin fruitcake.

http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/45069-al-gore-shoots-self-climate-summit-in-foot

Al Gore shoots self, climate summit in foot


Oh dear. Saint Al Gore, the man who invented both the internet and anthropogenic global warming and made himself obscenely rich in the process, has banged yet another nail into the rickety coffin of the global warming religious cult by coming out with what scientists describe as 'a complete load of bollocks' at the Copenhagen climate worryfest.

Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, claimed that the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years. One would think that in the light of the Climategate scandal, the Blessed Al would make sure that his data was accurate and pretty much bullet-proof, but sadly he merely added to the pantheon of completely fabricated climate stats.

In his speech, Gore said: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”

Unfortunately, the scientist whose research was quoted by Gore, Doctor Wieslav Maslowski, rather pissed on his chips by stating: “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

A Gore spokesman backpedalled furiously, saying that the figure quoted was merely a ballpark figure that was mentioned in a conversation between the two men a few years ago.

Does that mean the clock has already started so we have, like 2-4 years before the arctic is thawed?

So basically the scientist Gore was quoting thought the Arctic would be nearly ice free, just not totally. While it is important to relay accurate information, the scientist clearly agrees with Gore that our Arctic ice is going bye-bye.

All you've done is further distanced Gore's claim with the one of this guy.

Gore's behavior is what drives a lot of people nuts, it the equivalent to a climate godwin law: throw as much conjecture and hyperbole in as to make it hard to take anything else you say seriously.

But it's not even clear that the scientist disagrees with his time frame.

Disagreement is tacit in his comments.

 

[Jaskalas]

I didnt want to start another thread as it relates to the summit, but does anyone take algore seriously any more? What a fuckin fruitcake.

The science is in! So saith the preacher.

 

[Robor]

You deniers are funny.

 

[fskimospy]

ORLY?

"“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

From another scientist: "“This is an exaggeration that opens the science up to criticism from sceptics. You really don’t need to exaggerate the changes in the Arctic.”

Come on man. The GOP has Palin and the climate crowd has Gore.

The two are nothing alike and you know it. Palin and Gore? Pleeaaase.

If he took things from their converstion that weren't there that's fine, and he should be called out on it because he has a responsibility to provide accurate information. That being said, this is a mountain out of a molehill and we all know it. The smearing of Al Gore won't stop and I know this, but responsible people don't need to engage in it. I imagine he is quite comfortable being smeared, because he is the most visible proponent of action on global warming.

If you want to say 'ice free' instead of 'nearly ice free' and a too exact estimate is the equivalent of death panels, then we'll just have to chalk this up to a 'democrats are the party of the rich' style missing of the facts.

 

[werepossum]

I didnt want to start another thread as it relates to the summit, but does anyone take algore seriously any more? What a fuckin fruitcake.

http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/45069-al-gore-shoots-self-climate-summit-in-foot

Al Gore shoots self, climate summit in foot


Oh dear. Saint Al Gore, the man who invented both the internet and anthropogenic global warming and made himself obscenely rich in the process, has banged yet another nail into the rickety coffin of the global warming religious cult by coming out with what scientists describe as 'a complete load of bollocks' at the Copenhagen climate worryfest.

Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, claimed that the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years. One would think that in the light of the Climategate scandal, the Blessed Al would make sure that his data was accurate and pretty much bullet-proof, but sadly he merely added to the pantheon of completely fabricated climate stats.

In his speech, Gore said: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”

Unfortunately, the scientist whose research was quoted by Gore, Doctor Wieslav Maslowski, rather pissed on his chips by stating: “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

A Gore spokesman backpedalled furiously, saying that the figure quoted was merely a ballpark figure that was mentioned in a conversation between the two men a few years ago.

Algore is on track to become the world's first green billionaire, so yeah, I'd say a lot of people take him seriously. He may or may not actually believe the drivel he spews, but it's quite important to him that we believe it. Pay no attention to his private jets or his many homes or his fleet of black SUVs or his zinc mine (on land sold to his father by Armand Hammer - now there was a man who knew how to buy politicians!) that poisoned the Caney Fork for decades. What's good for others is not necessarily what's good for Algore, and vice versa, and we may not judge him as mere mortals are judged. But hey, that doesn't matter; as long as he tells the rest of us to do the right thing, he's entitled to become a billionaire by using the power of government to force the rest of us to buy his indulgences.

I have to confess that once I really thought he was a jerk when he gave less to charity than did I (not exactly known for my compassion and giving) even though he earned more than 400 times my income, but now I understand - he's entitled.

And I'm totally serial.

 

[GoPackGo]

You deniers are funny.

These wacko scientists manipulate data, ignore results they don't like, and you call us deniers?

Where I live its been getting progressively colder year to year for the last three years.

 

[nobodyknows]

If you use a 100 W bulb when a 60 W would work, is it safe to assume that you're not struggling to pay your electric bill?

LOL, then we better raise energy prices and tell the masses it's for their own good!!

 

[dainthomas]

LOL, then we better raise energy prices and tell the masses it's for their own good!!

And if you don't support the "Unnecessarily Large Light Bulb Tax" then you hate polar bears and low-lying Pacific islands.

 

[Robor]

These wacko scientists manipulate data, ignore results they don't like, and you call us deniers?

Where I live its been getting progressively colder year to year for the last three years.

That's great. It's 80+ here today. That's right, it's mid Dec and my A/C is *still* on. In fact, I have only turned it off for about 10 days during 'cool fronts' since mid April. Speaking of trends, I moved here in 1980 and we used to have several periods of 'hard freezes' per year where we would have to cover plants. I can't remember the last hard freeze warning. I guess that means it's getting warmer everywhere?