Common Core assignment - was the Holocaust a hoax?

[thraashman]

Let's explore this some. Does a woman have the right to have a perfectly good arm surgically removed?

I think you'll find that the answer is no, that while there is no law prohibiting it industry practices make it effectively impossible to have the surgery performed.

An excellent analogy thraashman! Can I assume that you feel that fetuses should be held to the same standards as perfectly good limbs?

Actually you probably would be able to have an elective procedure to have an arm removed. It would more likely be plastic surgery though. However if an arm that was not previously there started growing on your body, then I think it would become a non plastic surgery elective procedure and any surgeon of the proper field would almost guaranteed remove it.

 

[Texashiker]

Learn to read and comprehend: "principle" <> "principled scientific investigation"

You are right, this is a matter of principle.

Why weren't the northern tribes fairly by the Romans? What about the Gauls? Did Julius "really" have to slaughter them like he did?

Tell me something, when did blacks go from being nothing more than slaves to being able to take car of themselves? Up until their freedom it was believed blacks were incapable of ever being anything but a burden on the system.

When did women get enough sense to vote?

When did Native Americans become anything but alcoholics?

All of those disillusions are a figment of your imagination. Or rather societies imagination.

You can make up any excuse you want to kill a certain demographic, but you and people like you are wrong.

You were wrong 2,000 years ago, you were wrong 200 years ago and you are wrong today.

 

[brandonb]

Ideologically-based bigotry, reinforced by willful ignorance such as you exhibit here disgusts me. YOU disgust me.

And I'm ok with that. Personally, I couldn't care less what you think of me, and I won't lose any sleep tonight over it. /shrug.

 

[brycejones]

You are right, this is a matter of principle.

Why weren't the northern tribes fairly by the Romans? What about the Gauls? Did Julius "really" have to slaughter them like he did?

Tell me something, when did blacks go from being nothing more than slaves to being able to take car of themselves? Up until their freedom it was believed blacks were incapable of ever being anything but a burden on the system.

When did women get enough sense to vote?

When did Native Americans become anything but alcoholics?

All of those disillusions are a figment of your imagination. Or rather societies imagination.

You can make up any excuse you want to kill a certain demographic, but you and people like you are wrong.

You were wrong 2,000 years ago, you were wrong 200 years ago and you are wrong today.

So OP your question was answered within the first few posts. It teaches critical thinking. Do you except that answer or do you prefer to prattle on a like a school girl?

 

[Victorian Gray]

I think we know why this assignment was created :sneaky:

And you would be wrong.

http://www.sbsun.com/social-affairs...assignment-on-confirming-or-denying-holocaust

The project was designed by district teachers and assigned during the eighth grade’s “Diary of Anne Frank” unit, according to district spokeswoman Syeda Jafri.

The Common Core state standards, which have been adopted by most states and the District of Columbia, emphasize critical thinking in students, which is what the assignment is intended to teach, according to school board member Joe Martinez.

“One of the most important responsibilities for educators is to develop critical thinking skills in students,” Martinez wrote in an email Friday morning. “This will allow a person to come to their own conclusion. Current events are part of the basis for measuring IQ. The Middle East, Israel, Palestine and the Holocaust are on newscasts discussing current events. Teaching how to come to your own conclusion based on the facts, test your position, be able to articulate that position, then defend your belief with a lucid argument is essential to good citizenship. This thought process creates the foundation for a good education. The progression is within district board policy and also supports the district’s student inspired motto: ‘Today’s Scholars, Tomorrow’s Leaders.’”

 

[Brainonska511]

And you would be wrong.

http://www.sbsun.com/social-affairs...assignment-on-confirming-or-denying-holocaust

The project was designed by district teachers and assigned during the eighth grade’s “Diary of Anne Frank” unit, according to district spokeswoman Syeda Jafri.

The Common Core state standards, which have been adopted by most states and the District of Columbia, emphasize critical thinking in students, which is what the assignment is intended to teach, according to school board member Joe Martinez.

“One of the most important responsibilities for educators is to develop critical thinking skills in students,” Martinez wrote in an email Friday morning. “This will allow a person to come to their own conclusion. Current events are part of the basis for measuring IQ. The Middle East, Israel, Palestine and the Holocaust are on newscasts discussing current events. Teaching how to come to your own conclusion based on the facts, test your position, be able to articulate that position, then defend your belief with a lucid argument is essential to good citizenship. This thought process creates the foundation for a good education. The progression is within district board policy and also supports the district’s student inspired motto: ‘Today’s Scholars, Tomorrow’s Leaders.’”

Color me surprised /sarcasm.

 

[MongGrel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethinkers

I'd never really thought of Kurt Vonnegut as an Anarchist, funny it's linked to that in the Wiki.

 

[Texashiker]

And I'm ok with that. Personally, I couldn't care less what you think of me, and I won't lose any sleep tonight over it. /shrug.

Dont lie.

You are probably crying like a little girl right this very second.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Indeed it is, but, FFS, the framers of the question could have picked a FAR LESS OFFENSIVE hypothetical to use.

What exactly is offensive about the assignment?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Oh, please. The Holocaust happened, it was just a lot bigger than exterminating the Jews. They weren't the only victims.

The "The Holocaust', aka Shoah or HaShoah, *is* about the attempted genocide of the Jews. There is a difference between 'The Holocaust' and holocaust the word.

 

[TerryMathews]

Actually you probably would be able to have an elective procedure to have an arm removed. It would more likely be plastic surgery though. However if an arm that was now previously there started growing on your body, then I think it would become a non plastic surgery elective procedure and any surgeon of the proper field would almost guaranteed remove it.

I think you're incorrect on the first point.

To the second, your analogy falls apart because a fetus isn't something that isn't supposed to be there, like a third arm. Closest analogy would be breast growth in a female. And I submit that a woman cannot simply get a double mastectomy. The process is far more involved than simply walking in and ordering it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You first admit Germany being a sovereign nation had a right to pass its own laws.

Jews were viewed as cancerous. Did that make their extermination legit?

Have you ever seen "The eternal jew?" It is a piece of disgusting filth about the jewish people. When you get some time go watch it on youtube.





Ask the trolls who derail my threads.

you derail your own threads. primary example is this one which was apparently a ploy for you to raise the abortion issue for the umpteenth time.

Face it, nobody cares about your stance on abortion. It's meaningless.

 

[thraashman]

I think you're incorrect on the first point.

To the second, your analogy falls apart because a fetus isn't something that isn't supposed to be there, like a third arm. Closest analogy would be breast growth in a female. And I submit that a woman cannot simply get a double mastectomy. The process is far more involved than simply walking in and ordering it.

If it is an unwanted pregnancy, then it isn't supposed to be there. And abortion is not some simplistic procedure. It's still surgical. There's still risks. And that's why it needs to be performed by a medical professional.

 

[Texashiker]

Face it, nobody cares about your stance on abortion. It's meaningless.

You are right.

Society no longer cares about the weak. We are no longer stand for truth and justice for all.

We are a reflection of our savage ancestors who came to this nation in the name of freedom, but ended up slaughtering the natives.

If society did not have some demographic to fulfill our lust for blood, we would turn upon ourselves like rabid dogs.

That is the way it has been since our ancestors first stood upright, and that is the way it will always be.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You are right.

Society no longer cares about the weak. We are no longer stand for truth and justice for all.

We are a reflection of our savage ancestors who came to this nation in the name of freedom, but ended up slaughtering the natives.

If society did not have some demographic to fulfill our lust for blood, we would turn upon ourselves like rabid dogs.

That is the way it has been since our ancestors first stood upright, and that is the way it will always be.

 

[TerryMathews]

If it is an unwanted pregnancy, then it isn't supposed to be there. And abortion is not some simplistic procedure. It's still surgical. There's still risks. And that's why it needs to be performed by a medical professional.

You're conflating biological features with personal desires. Clearly a fetus is intended to be in the womb, it's the sole reason for the existence of that organ.

You're also misunderstanding or misstating my other point. I'm not diminishing the process of performing abortion. I'm saying that before a double mastectomy would be considered for a woman she would have to prove there is a good reason for it either by psychological examination for gender reassignment or demonstrate a family history of breast cancer. Clearly this is a much stronger standard than abortion is currently held to in almost every state and the states where a psychological examination is required for an abortion, those laws are currently under attack.

 

[trenchfoot]

So then, about these critical thinking skills.....would promoting this skill help or hinder either political party?

Just ask'in........in a semi-rhetorical kind of way. 😉

 

[berzerker60]

So tell me, what Japanese and German historians helped write our history books on world war II?

Lots and lots of them. Academic history is an international field, especially on topics like this, and there are some truly great German and Japanese historians who have done a lot to advance the state of research on topics related to World War II. Just a few important historians:

Detlev Peukert
Gotz Aly
Wolfgang Benz
Uwe Dietrich Adam
Karl-Heinz Frieser
Dietrich Staritz
Basically, lots and lots of these: https://www.h-net.org/~german/readings/nazi.2.html

Saburo Ienaga
Hiromi Mizuno
Ken Kawashima

etc. etc.

Nobody is denying it happened, my grandfather died in a concentration camp, it brings me great sadness whenever I remember it (he fell from the watchtower).
But you have to ask why it's considered so unique among all the billions of people who were genocided in recorded human history? Like why do they have museums in the US for the holocaust that happened in Germany while not having any museums for the native Americans or African slaves they killed themselves? Imagine Germany not having any holocaust museums but instead having museums for native Americans, you would consider that hypocrisy.

We have lots of those museums, especially in the South, usually as part of general museums of the area. That's a huge part of American history, so it's no surprise.

But the Holocaust is very unusual, possibly unique, in 1) targeting an ethnic group for ideological reasons, 2) killing on such a scale, in such a short time, and 3) the particular gruesomeness of the industrial process of it all.

history is written by the winners.

No it isn't.

 

[michal1980]

slavery was a hoax too.

 

[master_shake_]

No it isn't.

You're right, i think most stories about the vietnam war were written by americans.

 

[berzerker60]

You're right, i think most stories about the vietnam war were written by americans.

Yep, and there are great historians of World War II from Germany, Japan, and Italy; plenty of great sources and histories of WWII written by Jews; plenty of sources proving the Armenian genocide, and Turkish oppression of the Kurds, and Americans writing about horrible shit America has done as well as great shit America has done, and Russian writing about horrible shit Russia / the Soviet Union has done, etc. Shit, Southern historians' complete bullshit argument that the antebellum South was some beautiful place tragically taken away was the standard narrative throughout most of America for decades after they were crushed in combat.

You make your career as a historian by showing that the way people have understood something is wrong or incomplete, or were asking the wrong questions in some way or another, not by supporting nationalist sentiment or applauding the status quo. Maybe in Soviet Russia the 'victors wrote the history,' but not in the free world, not for centuries.

Now, what academic historians accept / know isn't always reflected in grade-school curriculum, because state-level boards (and sometimes individual teachers) choose the lesson plans at that level, so there's plenty of shitty history taught at different levels there. Over time the state-of-the-art eventually trickles down, though. There are probably a few teachers teaching the 'War of Northern Aggression' still, but that myth was WAY more common just 1-2 generations ago. There are very few college-level history classes taught that are very far outside the cutting edge, though, if only because the shrinking of the academic job market has meant that even smaller schools are getting historians trained at elite universities these days.

 

[schmuckley]

When I was in school,they showed movies of bulldozing the dead Jews into mass graves and the starvation of them.
Common Core is sponsored by ICLEI in order to advance Agenda 21.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6945-what-are-the-uns-agenda-21-and-iclei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNeimlu9jxk

It may be a little long and boring;but it's all true.

and sad..How did we not catch this?

 

[berzerker60]

When I was in school,they showed movies of bulldozing the dead Jews into mass graves and the starvation of them.
Common Core is sponsored by ICLEI in order to advance Agenda 21.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6945-what-are-the-uns-agenda-21-and-iclei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNeimlu9jxk

It may be a little long and boring;but it's all true.

and sad..How did we not catch this?

I'm so thankful to the otherwise completely, utterly meaningless 'Agenda 21' for giving crazies and paranoids a term to let me know immediately that I can stop paying attention to anything they say, because they're too wrapped up in absurd conspiracy theory to know reality if it smacked them in the face.

 

[schmuckley]

I'm so thankful to the otherwise completely, utterly meaningless 'Agenda 21' for giving crazies and paranoids a term to let me know immediately that I can stop paying attention to anything they say, because they're too wrapped up in absurd conspiracy theory to know reality if it smacked them in the face.

The reality is:That Common Core IS sponsored by ICLEI.
ICLEI's goal is to advance Agenda 21.
This is the reality.
If you don't believe it,do some research for yourself.
It is fact.
As for why they are trying to deny the Holocaust happened?
I have no idea.
I know it's bad.

 

[Victorian Gray]

When I was in school,they showed movies of bulldozing the dead Jews into mass graves and the starvation of them.
Common Core is sponsored by ICLEI in order to advance Agenda 21.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6945-what-are-the-uns-agenda-21-and-iclei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNeimlu9jxk

It may be a little long and boring;but it's all true.

and sad..How did we not catch this?

Yep, they're a coming for ya. Head for the hidey hole under your bed.