Common Core assignment - was the Holocaust a hoax?

[Jhhnn]

What next? The crusades never happened?

Oh, please. The Holocaust happened, it was just a lot bigger than exterminating the Jews. They weren't the only victims.

 

[OCGuy]

At least nobody needs to debate if Jesus' mother was really a virgin (LOL) , or if he was some sort of deity.....that horseshit has been clear for quite a while.

 

[Texashiker]

Ah yes because comparing women to slave owners shows just how much you support equal rights for women.

Bull crap.

I guess you support the slaughter of millions of jews because it was legal? Germany had a right to make its own laws, right?

Therefor Germany was well within its right to murder millions of jews?

That is your whole justification of abortion, it is a womans right?

Germany had no right to slaughter millions of people, just as mothers have no right to kill the unborn child.

 

[Perknose]

I'm not sure why you are posting pics of dead people.

How many of those starved? Died from Disease? Died from old age? Killed by "Jew hating" Germans? Killed by other people in the camp? Collateral damage from the war?

Are you really that fucking stupid and ignorant that you think you're making some sort of trenchant point? Ideologically-based bigotry, reinforced by willful ignorance such as you exhibit here disgusts me. YOU disgust me.

Can you name the cause of death for every body in that picture?

Yes, in every case, the incipient cause of death was incarceration in a German concentration camp.

 

[waggy]

Well, yeh, except that the ADL is a Zionist organization, so they want to frame the Holocaust as reason for the creation of Israel. Nevermind the 30 million Russians who died, or the Roma, the Slavs, the dissidents, the disabled, the dwarves & everybody else. For them, it has to be about Jews, exclusively, so that they can be seen as special. They try to narrow the definition to the extermination camps, when there was a whole lot more to it.

The Nazis just had Jews at the front of the line.

/this.

I feel how its taught in education and talked about on tv its primary said to say that only Jews were in the camps.

the whole situation is disgusting. how people could do that to others is just disgusting and sad.

not to mention the experiments done on other humans during that time.

 

[OCGuy]

Well, yeh, except that the ADL is a Zionist organization, so they want to frame the Holocaust as reason for the creation of Israel. Nevermind the 30 million Russians who died, or the Roma, the Slavs, the dissidents, the disabled, the dwarves & everybody else. For them, it has to be about Jews, exclusively, so that they can be seen as special. They try to narrow the definition to the extermination camps, when there was a whole lot more to it.

The Nazis just had Jews at the front of the line.

You would be so correct, if you weren't so wrong. I am no fan of the ADL's gun control stance, but that doesn't mean you aren't a moron.

Here is the very first paragraph of their info on the Holocaust:

Overview of the Holocaust: 1933–1945

Adolf Hitler, the leader of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party), one of the strongest parties in Germany, became Chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933. Between 1933 and 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators murdered six million Jews and five million other civilians, including Sinti and Roma people (also known by their derogatory label as Gypsies), Poles, people with physical and mental disabilities, gay men, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Soviet prisoners of war, and political dissidents.....

http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/education-outreach/Overview-of-the-Holocaust-NYLM-Guide.pdf

 

[shira]

There is no debate from me. The holocaust happened, million of people died, the end. That is all there is to it.

However, truth in history should not fear investigation or debate.

In my opinion, the adl should encourage honest and open debate.

Absolutely. Which is why you continually investigate - with an open and honest mind - whether a zygote is the same as a person. It's not a matter of ideology for you; it's a principled, scientific investigation.

Oh, wait . . . .

 

[Texashiker]

Absolutely. Which is why you continually investigate - with an open and honest mind - whether a zygote is the same as a person. It's not a matter of ideology for you; it's a principled, scientific investigation.

Yes, it is a matter of principle.

 

[Perknose]

Yes, it is a matter of principle.

Your "principles" repeatedly demonstrate an ideologically ignorant bent that you then innocently try to deny.

You really don't fool anyone, though.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Your "principles" repeatedly demonstrate an ideologically ignorant bent that you then innocently try to deny.

You really don't fool anyone, though.

He's kind to puppies though... so that's something.

 

[z1ggy]

He's kind to puppies though... so that's something.

And he's tolerant of muffin munchers, too. Guy's like Ghandi or something.

 

[thraashman]

Bull crap.

I guess you support the slaughter of millions of jews because it was legal? Germany had a right to make its own laws, right?

Therefor Germany was well within its right to murder millions of jews?

That is your whole justification of abortion, it is a womans right?

Germany had no right to slaughter millions of people, just as mothers have no right to kill the unborn child.

And now you're comparing women getting to control their own bodies with the Holocaust. Wow, such amazing support for women's right. You're just getting more and more feminist with each post.

 

[Texashiker]

Your "principles" repeatedly demonstrate an ideologically ignorant bent that you then innocently try to deny.

Not sure I understand you.

He's kind to puppies though... so that's something.

Thank you.

Every living creator deserves to be treated with love and respect.

Expect mosquitoes, those bastards deserve to die.

And spiders.

Mosquitoes and spiders deserve a slow painful death in the bowels of hell.

 

[master_shake_]

I'm not going to speak on the holocaust.

But I was watching the Military Channel about a year ago. It was talking about WW2 and the American/Japanese conflict. There was a big battle. Imo Jima if I remember right but it may have been one of the other large conflicts of that theater.

Now. During this episode I was watching. It was talking about the battle of course, but then at the end talked about the Japanese Admiral being tried for war crimes. He was eventually hanged for war crimes. It was talking about how he starved American POWs and such, and that was the war crime.

But during the episode, it was talking about the reason why the American's won the battle is because they were air bombing the Japanese war supply convoys, and the Japanese ran out of supplies. Ammo/food, etc.

They never connected the dots in the episode but of course I caught onto it. Was it really that this Admiral was purposely starving the POWs or was it just because they didn't have any food at all? And in a battle. I'd feed my troops over POWs. That'd make sense, right?

So what was the war crime? Who committed the crime? But things like this make me ponder the rest of WW2 war crimes. Was it the similar situation over in Europe? Maybe. Maybe not. If that was an American tactic, and Americans were over in Europe... I think it should be open for debate.

history is written by the winners.

he didn't commit a war crime he was railroaded.

 

[Texashiker]

And now you're comparing women getting to control their own bogies with the Holocaust.

I am comparing a womans right to make decisions for own body to a sovereign nations right to make their own laws.

Where do you draw the line?

A woman can make decisions for her body, right?

A sovereign nation can makes it own laws, right?

 

[thraashman]

I am comparing a womans right to make decisions for own body to a sovereign nations right to make their own laws.

Where do you draw the line?

A woman can make decisions for her body, right?

A sovereign nation can makes it own laws, right?

So you also don't feel people should have the right to remove cancer from themselves?

 

[zinfamous]

My opinion, how does asking students to think in an abstract manner have no value?

Shouldn't we be able to ask "why" Japan attacked Pearl Harbor?

Shouldn't we be able to ask "why" Hitler invaded France, Poland and Russia?

When it comes to history, why should we blindly accept what we are told as absolute fact?

You do realize there is a difference between "if" and "why", don't you?

ah fuck, nevermind.

 

[brycejones]

I am comparing a womans right to make decisions for own body to a sovereign nations right to make their own laws.

Where do you draw the line?

A woman can make decisions for her body, right?

A sovereign nation can makes it own laws, right?

Why do everyone of your threads turn into some retarded discussion about abortion or your secret desire to smoke man meat?

 

[Texashiker]

So you also don't feel people should have the right to remove cancer from themselves?

You first admit Germany being a sovereign nation had a right to pass its own laws.

Jews were viewed as cancerous. Did that make their extermination legit?

Have you ever seen "The eternal jew?" It is a piece of disgusting filth about the jewish people. When you get some time go watch it on youtube.

Why do everyone of your threads turn into some retarded discussion about abortion or your secret desire to smoke man meat?

Ask the trolls who derail my threads.

 

[Zaap]

I'm not going to speak on the holocaust.

But I was watching the Military Channel about a year ago. It was talking about WW2 and the American/Japanese conflict. There was a big battle. Imo Jima if I remember right but it may have been one of the other large conflicts of that theater.

Now. During this episode I was watching. It was talking about the battle of course, but then at the end talked about the Japanese Admiral being tried for war crimes. He was eventually hanged for war crimes. It was talking about how he starved American POWs and such, and that was the war crime.

But during the episode, it was talking about the reason why the American's won the battle is because they were air bombing the Japanese war supply convoys, and the Japanese ran out of supplies. Ammo/food, etc.

They never connected the dots in the episode but of course I caught onto it. Was it really that this Admiral was purposely starving the POWs or was it just because they didn't have any food at all? And in a battle. I'd feed my troops over POWs. That'd make sense, right?

So what was the war crime? Who committed the crime? But things like this make me ponder the rest of WW2 war crimes. Was it the similar situation over in Europe? Maybe. Maybe not. If that was an American tactic, and Americans were over in Europe... I think it should be open for debate.

This is an interesting point, but I've read a lot about war crimes committed by all sides during WWII. I will virtually guarantee you that war crimes in whatever case you saw extend far beyond starving prisoners only after running out of supplies, but systematic starvation, torture, murders, forced labor etc. None of these things were uncommon, even when the Japanese had plenty of supplies.

Also as to the subject, far too serious an issue to get into with people like the OP. I'd sooner discuss it with a rock.

 

[brycejones]

Ask the trolls who derail my threads.

Stop playing the victim card.

 

[Texashiker]

Stop playing the victim card.

That is rape culture.

Do not tell me not to be the victim.

Tell others not to victimize me.

 

[TerryMathews]

So you also don't feel people should have the right to remove cancer from themselves?

Let's explore this some. Does a woman have the right to have a perfectly good arm surgically removed?

I think you'll find that the answer is no, that while there is no law prohibiting it industry practices make it effectively impossible to have the surgery performed.

An excellent analogy thraashman! Can I assume that you feel that fetuses should be held to the same standards as perfectly good limbs?

 

[shira]

Yes, it is a matter of principle.

Learn to read and comprehend: "principle" <> "principled scientific investigation"

 

[shira]

I am comparing a womans right to make decisions for own body to a sovereign nations right to make their own laws.

Where do you draw the line?

A woman can make decisions for her body, right?

A sovereign nation can makes it own laws, right?

We were talking about dispassionate, rigorous investigation of facts, to ascertain truth. That's the subject of the OP. That's what you claim to advocate. So tell us how your post here is the product of this rigorous, truth-seeking process you claim to support?