CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[SheHateMe]

You really don't see anything different in this case vs. something like what was portrayed in that Jodi Foster movie? Honestly?

You seem hellbent on finding some sort of connection or something here. I don't know what you're after, but why don't you go ahead and explain this point about this girls rape that you have been so eager to get everyone to try and discuss with you.

 

[highland145]

You also left out the part where they ejaculated on her and took photos, they also joked about sodomizing her.
They're both pieces of shit and they deserve to burn. Can't believe the fans and the coaches tried to sweep this under the rug though.

No you're not. It's the norm.




You, Geo, you deserve it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So you think if some girls wrapped their hands around the penis of a passed out guy they would be called rapists?

Yes or No?

Did this happen? Yes or No?


Penetration occurred without consent, it's rape no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Geosurface]

You seem hellbent on finding some sort of connection or something here. I don't know what you're after, but why don't you go ahead and explain this point about this girls rape that you have been so eager to get everyone to try and discuss with you.

There isn't any hidden point I haven't made... I've said everything I felt like saying as it came to me.

If there's a point I want to make that I haven't clearly stated yet? I guess it would be this:

Shutting one's brain down and just stamping this case with "teh evil rapists should burn in hellz" is intellectually lazy, and overly simplistic.

I think it's absurd when someone says a woman walking down the street was "asking for it" because she was in a mini-skirt or something, that's an atrocious thing to say.

I think it's abominable when a group of men grab a woman and gang-rape her. I'd be entirely cool with treating those gentlemen to a firing squad.

This is not that. To act like it is, is again... overly simplistic and intellectually lazy.

I don't think it's an unfair characterization, based on what I've heard about this case, to say that everyone involved was being a drunkard fuckwit, including her. Doesn't make what they did to her right, but it may mitigate it from being Holocaust II: This Time It's Even Worse

But don't let me get in the way of a good time

 

[SheHateMe]

Wait, so Women aren't asking for it if they are dressed like a slut or walking and minding their own business...

but when they're at a party, stupid drunk with a bunch of teens...the tables turn?

This is not that. To act like it is, is again... overly simplistic and intellectually lazy.

I don't think it's an unfair characterization, based on what I've heard about this case, to say that everyone involved was being a drunkard fuckwit, including her. Doesn't make what they did to her right, but it may mitigate it from being Holocaust II: This Time It's Even Worse

But don't let me get in the way of a good time

This is extremely saddening.

 

[Geosurface]

Edit: nevermind, I'm going to take a break from this discussion, and I'm going to sleep.

Apologies if I have come across as insensitive to what happened to this girl, it is definitely a horrible thing.

Peace out for now.

 

[SheHateMe]

She wasn't a drunkard fuckwit?

She was passed out from excessive alcohol consumption at age 16, correct?

And?



OH, I get it now....she asked for it.

 

[alzan]

Yes, let's mourn for the rapists. What a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cvUCDjLDIk

Makes me want to puke. Come on CNN.

It's a little bit of a stretch to call what the reporter said "mourning for the rapists"; don't you think? There's nothing wrong with pointing out what's going to happen to them and showing the strong, youthful football player breaking down in his attorney's arms; as well as breaking down as he attempted to apologize to the parents.

If seeing that report made some other football player, of whatever age and level, pause and think about consequences to their drunken/sober antics then it did some good.

 

[irishScott]

I think we have a few child beating rapist apologists on this forum.

 

[LumbergTech]

I know very little about this case but just today I've been browsing around and learning a little bit about it...

First let me say, I've never been the party type, and I don't drink and never have. I pretty much detest frat guys and party douche types. The type of guys who love to say the word "kegger" as much as they possibly can end up finding a reason to say it... and who like to talk about "Jaegger Bombs" endlessly, and "Beer Pong" etc. Something about hearing these phrases makes my blood boil.

So I have very little sympathy for these type of people.

The thing is... based on my VERY cursory look at this case, it seems there is some reason to think this girl may have just been the natural female counterpart to those guys, it sounds like maybe she went around to these sorts of parties hooking up constantly... and had a reputation for that.

That doesn't excuse anyone taking advantage of her without her consent while she's unconscious, if that is indeed what happened.

What I am saying, though, is I wonder just how much more vile they were than she was... and how much of it comes down to the biology of how men and women have sex (men are biologically the ones ENTERING the counterpart, which just naturally sets it up to feel like a more invasive, violatory act...)

I'm probably not getting my thought across here very well so let me try again:

I wonder if all of them, including her, were just a bunch of dumbfuck party-tard drunkards and if her drunken stupidity is getting framed as victimhood, while their drunken stupidity is getting them years in detention and a lifetime of "sex offender" status and a ruined future.

I DO NOT CONDONE WHAT THEY DID.

I'm just wondering if there's a certain sadness to some young idiots doing something stupid while they were drunk and having it ruin the rest of their lives... but hey, I guess that's just how it is. Whether it's making the stupid decision to drive drunk, ending up killing someone without ever having desired to... and then the rest of your life is ruined... same thing here I guess, and this is a big part of why I have never even achieved a buzz. I just don't care to fuck around with not having control over my own actions.

I know some people will hate that I'm even pondering this, instead of just grabbing a pitchfork and joining the lynch mob on these idiots... but again, I don't know much about this case at all.

So if someone wants to give me like the top 5 bullet points of why I should completely hate these guys, I'd appreciate it and I may very well do just that.

None of what you said means shit. You don't have sex with incapacitated people. I have absolutely no problem with you pondering. It is quite clear you just try to take opposite sides just for the sake of being argumentative.

 

[Texashiker]

There is nothing complex about rape.

Without religion, would sexual assault be any different the physical assault?

 

[LumbergTech]

There isn't any hidden point I haven't made... I've said everything I felt like saying as it came to me.

If there's a point I want to make that I haven't clearly stated yet? I guess it would be this:

Shutting one's brain down and just stamping this case with "teh evil rapists should burn in hellz" is intellectually lazy, and overly simplistic.

I think it's absurd when someone says a woman walking down the street was "asking for it" because she was in a mini-skirt or something, that's an atrocious thing to say.

I think it's abominable when a group of men grab a woman and gang-rape her. I'd be entirely cool with treating those gentlemen to a firing squad.

This is not that. To act like it is, is again... overly simplistic and intellectually lazy.

I don't think it's an unfair characterization, based on what I've heard about this case, to say that everyone involved was being a drunkard fuckwit, including her. Doesn't make what they did to her right, but it may mitigate it from being Holocaust II: This Time It's Even Worse

But don't let me get in the way of a good time

Yes, you are just so enlightened that you see that rape is not quite as bad if it is done to someone you don't respect.

 

[nehalem256]

Without religion, would sexual assault be any different the physical assault?

Possibly. In a patriarchal society based around protecting the virtue of pure innocent girls. After all sexual assault lowers a woman's bride price

OH, I get it now....she asked for it.

If you really don't see how getting blackout drunk at an unsupervised teen party is a bad idea you might want to rethink things.

 

[LumbergTech]

Possibly. In a patriarchal society based around protecting the virtue of pure innocent girls. After all sexual assault lowers a woman's bride price



If you really don't see how getting blackout drunk at an unsupervised teen party is a bad idea you might want to rethink things.

It is a bad idea, it just doesn't change the fact that rape is rape. It has nothing to do with how bad the people are who commit it.

 

[umbrella39]

Pass out with a bunch of teenage boys, what do you think is going to happen?

Sorry buddy but I remember a shit ton of girls passing out while we were in high school and if anyone ever attempted anything they would have had their ass beaten beyond recognition. You are full of shit and hopefully not a father of a girl.

When I was young and people passed out we drew mustaches on them with sharpies.

This. We fucked WITH them...

 

[SheHateMe]

If you really don't see how getting blackout drunk at an unsupervised teen party is a bad idea you might want to rethink things.

Ok...and does this mean she was basically asking to be sexually assaulted?

Im in College, I have attended my share of shit shows...but never has anyone sexually assaulted a drunk girl in the middle of the party.

 

[nehalem256]

None of what you said means shit. You don't have sex with incapacitated people. I have absolutely no problem with you pondering. It is quite clear you just try to take opposite sides just for the sake of being argumentative.

Fingering isn't sex.

Did this happen? Yes or No?

Penetration occurred without consent, it's rape no matter how you try to spin it.

So you are scared to answer the question about whether if the same basic event occurred to a 16 year old boy whether or not it would be rape.

I think we can all guess why that is.

 

[umbrella39]

He deserved it and so do you.

Shh... still thinks his ruse is flying here... good times.

 

[LumbergTech]

Ok...and does this mean she was basically asking to be sexually assaulted?

Im in College, I have attended my share of shit shows...but never has anyone sexually assaulted a drunk girl in the middle of the party.

These guys are some sick bastards. I get annoyed with some of their opinions, but I chalk it up to differences in experience and viewpoints, but this kind of shit..blows my mind...What can they possibly think they have to gain? They have no point except to say that they don't sympathize with a victim of rape as much because they went to the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[SheHateMe]

Fingering isn't sex.

Hmm...but it certainly is sexual assault.

 

[LumbergTech]

Hmm...but it certainly is sexual assault.

I don't even know how to respond..is this guy serious?

and also...

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

Sexual intercourse, also known as copulation or coitus, commonly denotes the insertion and thrusting of a male's penis into a female's vagina for the purposes of sexual pleasure or reproduction.[3][4][5][6] The term can also describe other sexual penetrative acts, such as anal sex, oral sex, fingering, or use of a strap-on dildo.[3][6][7]

 

[umbrella39]

This thread is perfect for the liberal type: Always knowing how to put 100% of the blame on everyone but yourself. You are an angel. You are always responsible. You're a sweet innocent virgin that does body shots and keg stands. You would never do anything horrible.

This post is perfect for the conservative type: Always knowing how to put 100% of the blame on the victim first and everyone but yourself if that approach doesn't work. You have no culpability. You are never at fault. If someone passes out they are fair game. You would never take advantage of a teenage girl.

 

[highland145]

Shh... still thinks his ruse is flying here... good times.

Sorry.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Fingering isn't sex.



So you are scared to answer the question about whether if the same basic event occurred to a 16 year old boy whether or not it would be rape.

I think we can all guess why that is.

Sorry, not going to play your BS game as it has absolutely nothing to do with what occurred in this case. The boys were convicted of rape in a court of law. The law and court are clear as to what constitutes rape. End of story.

 

[IGBT]

Originally Posted by Texashiker View Post
A girl put herself in a situation to be raped...
How's that?
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Jezebel shows up falling down drunk and becomes the party sperm bank. How many of you's guys have daughters out there?? There's a lesson here for you's!!