CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[Matt1970]

"Incredibly difficult, even for an outsider like me, to watch what happened as these two young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students, literally watched as they believed their lives fell apart...when that sentence came down, [Ma'lik] collapsed in the arms of his attorney...He said to him, 'My life is over. No one is going to want me now.' Very serious crime here, both found guilty of raping the sixteen-year-old girl at a series of parties back in August."

Yes, let's mourn for the rapists. What a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cvUCDjLDIk

Makes me want to puke. Come on CNN.

 

[Texashiker]

There are so many ways to look at what happened, and none of them are a happy ending.

A girl put herself in a situation to be raped, but that does not excuse the boys for their actions. If you put yourself in a situation, shouldn't you share part of the blame? And not just the rape situation, but any situation. Parachute does not open, car pulls out in front of a motorcycle,,,, where does society draw the line on responsibility?

If we blame the rapist for taking advantage of the girl, how should we treat banks and scam artist who take advantage of people?

How is what happened to the girl any different then people who were conned into signing a flexible rate mortgage? The girl lost her dignity, the home owner lost their home.

How is what the men did any worse then what credit cards, home loans,,,, and everything else that takes advantage of unknowing people?

How is what the men did any worse then enron manipulating the market to raise energy rates?

What we are seeing is much worse then a girl who passed out and was raped, we are seeing a breakdown of society.

If this would have been a bank that took advantage of her through a bad loan, nothing would have happened. But because this was a sexual crime, then society demanded justice.

What the boys did was wrong, plan and simple. But then again, have our youth lost their sense of humanity? With over a decade of war behind us, shock sites, 4chan, school shootings,,,, how long until people lose grasp with what is right and wrong?

With sites like liveleak and theync,,,, are we as a society desensitizing children?

 

[ch33zw1z]

There are so many ways to look at what happened, and none of them are a happy ending.

A girl put herself in a situation to be raped, but that does not excuse the boys for their actions. If you put yourself in a situation, shouldn't you share part of the blame?

If we blame the rapist for taking advantage of the girl, how should we treat banks and scam artist who take advantage of people?

How is what happened to the girl any different then people who were conned into signing a flexible rate mortgage? The girl lost her dignity, the home owner lost their home.

How is what the men did any worse then what credit cards, home loans,,,, and everything else that takes advantage of unknowing people?

How is what the men did any worse then enron manipulating the market to raise energy rates?

What we are seeing is much worse then a girl who passed out and was raped, we are seeing a breakdown of society.

If this would have been a bank that took advantage of her through a bad loan, nothing would have happened. But because this was a sexual crime, then society demanded justice.

wtf?

Your scenarios aren't the same thing at all.

 

[Jaskalas]

A girl put herself in a situation to be raped...

How's that?

 

[ch33zw1z]

How's that?

You know, she signed stacks of paper work saying that it was ok..

 

[nehalem256]

How's that?

She got so drunk she didn't remember getting raped.

 

[Texashiker]

How's that?

Pass out with a bunch of teenage boys, what do you think is going to happen?

wtf?

Your scenarios aren't the same thing at all.

You are right, my examples are not exactly the same.

Where does society draw the line on taking advantage of someone? Sign a home loan, do not understand all of the details, bank ends up taking the home.

We hear about people being taken advantage of everyday. Day in, day out, we are bombarded with people being killed, maimed, evicted, losing life savings,,,, and in a lot of cases the government does nothing.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Pass out with a bunch of teenage boys, what do you think is going to happen?

they drive her home? that's a pretty pathetic stretch TH. We were teenage boys at one time, did you ever think it was ok to assault a passed out female? I sure as shit didn't.

 

[nehalem256]

Pass out with a bunch of teenage boys, what do you think is going to happen?

Worse. I wonder how much the teenage boys had to drink. Not to excuse their actions, but drinking alcohol does not exactly lead to making good decisions.

 

[nehalem256]

they drive her home?

And then they get pulled over for drunk driving ^_^

 

[Texashiker]

they drive her home? that's a pretty pathetic stretch TH. We were teenage boys at one time, did you ever think it was ok to assault a passed out female? I sure as shit didn't.

How old are you? I am 45 years old.

And no, I would have never taken advantage of a lady.

However, there are some big differences in the way kids think today, and when I was growing up.

 

[Geosurface]

I know very little about this case but just today I've been browsing around and learning a little bit about it...

First let me say, I've never been the party type, and I don't drink and never have. I pretty much detest frat guys and party douche types. The type of guys who love to say the word "kegger" as much as they possibly can end up finding a reason to say it... and who like to talk about "Jaegger Bombs" endlessly, and "Beer Pong" etc. Something about hearing these phrases makes my blood boil.

So I have very little sympathy for these type of people.

The thing is... based on my VERY cursory look at this case, it seems there is some reason to think this girl may have just been the natural female counterpart to those guys, it sounds like maybe she went around to these sorts of parties hooking up constantly... and had a reputation for that.

That doesn't excuse anyone taking advantage of her without her consent while she's unconscious, if that is indeed what happened.

What I am saying, though, is I wonder just how much more vile they were than she was... and how much of it comes down to the biology of how men and women have sex (men are biologically the ones ENTERING the counterpart, which just naturally sets it up to feel like a more invasive, violatory act...)

I'm probably not getting my thought across here very well so let me try again:

I wonder if all of them, including her, were just a bunch of dumbfuck party-tard drunkards and if her drunken stupidity is getting framed as victimhood, while their drunken stupidity is getting them years in detention and a lifetime of "sex offender" status and a ruined future.

I DO NOT CONDONE WHAT THEY DID.

I'm just wondering if there's a certain sadness to some young idiots doing something stupid while they were drunk and having it ruin the rest of their lives... but hey, I guess that's just how it is. Whether it's making the stupid decision to drive drunk, ending up killing someone without ever having desired to... and then the rest of your life is ruined... same thing here I guess, and this is a big part of why I have never even achieved a buzz. I just don't care to fuck around with not having control over my own actions.

I know some people will hate that I'm even pondering this, instead of just grabbing a pitchfork and joining the lynch mob on these idiots... but again, I don't know much about this case at all.

So if someone wants to give me like the top 5 bullet points of why I should completely hate these guys, I'd appreciate it and I may very well do just that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

How old are you? I am 45 years old.

And no, I would have never taken advantage of a lady.

However, there are some big differences in the way kids think today, and when I was growing up.

32, that difference is due to shitty parents.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And then they get pulled over for drunk driving ^_^

wouldn't have gone to jail, and a much more socially excusable offense. I'm not sure what about this makes you smile either.

 

[TallBill]

When I was young and people passed out we drew mustaches on them with sharpies.

 

[Svnla]

Pass out with a bunch of teenage boys, what do you think is going to happen?

Are you serious? Really? What will be next? Walk around with Daisy Duke short and tight cut off shirt, alone, late at night...oh yes, you are going to get some, what do you think is going to happ, young lady, right?

How about at least leave her alone if they did not want to drop her off at her house or contact someone?

Let me ask you this. Joe drove around with a brand new M3 and he left the car with the key and the engine was running at a gas station. What would you do?

a. Jump right in and took it.
b. Walk away.

I know I would pick option b because I was raised to know between right and wrong. I know, I know, I am not keeping it real/sold out/acting white/cornball brother/fill in the blank...but at least, I know that I won't end up crying like a bitch like these two punk asses did AFTER being convicted of rape.

 

[Texashiker]

32, that difference is due to shitty parents.

Should we blame just the parents?

In the end, the person must be held responsible for their actions.

But then again, shouldn't parents and society be responsible for teaching children right from wrong?

 

[highland145]

Should we blame just the parents?

In the end, the person must be held responsible for their actions.

But then again, shouldn't parents and society be responsible for teaching children right from wrong?

Uh. no. The school system is supposed to raise them.

 

[nehalem256]

I wonder if all of them, including her, were just a bunch of dumbfuck party-tard drunkards and if her drunken stupidity is getting framed as victimhood, while their drunken stupidity is getting them years in detention and a lifetime of "sex offender" status and a ruined future.

Probably. I mean it seems like no one really wanted to testify against the guys. Maybe the same basic thing happened every weekend. And this time a picture just happened to be seen by the wrong person.

I mean if you want to talk about "rape culture" I would start with the whole "drunken hookup culture".

 

[ch33zw1z]

Should we blame just the parents?

In the end, the person must be held responsible for their actions.

But then again, shouldn't parents and society be responsible for teaching children right from wrong?

Too late now, they're older enough to take the heat for themselves.

Parents didn't teach them well enough, now society is showing them the error of their ways. Oh well.

 

[Zeze]

a. Jump right in and took it.
b. Walk away.

I know I would pick option b because I was raised to know between right and wrong. I know, I know, I am not keeping it real/sold out/acting white/cornball brother/fill in the blank...but at least, I know that I won't end up crying like a bitch like these two punk asses did AFTER being convicted of rape.

But if you got your M3 stolen by leaving it running with a key inside it, then you are just as much of a dumbass. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, your car is stolen.

 

[Texashiker]

Uh. no. The school system is supposed to raise them.

It was around 2002, 2003 I disciplined my son for not doing his homework. I think he was 14 or 15 years old at the time.

The next thing I know, I have assault charged filed on me and child protection services visits my home.

When we have a society that objects to discipline, are the kids in the opening post the result?

 

[Svnla]

But if you got your M3 stolen by leaving it running with a key inside it, then you are just as much of a dumbass. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, your car is stolen.

NOT saying it was a good decision on Joe. The same thing about the young girl. NOT smart to be that much drunk/put herself in that kind of situation.

The point was ..it was wrong for what they (the two guys and their friends) did. Period.

On a side note, the lawyer for the government was saying it is not over. He will get a grand jury and dig deeper. If I was one of the folks who were involved in this case, I would get a lawyer pronto.

 

[TallBill]

It was around 2002, 2003 I whipped my sons ass for not doing his homework. I think he was 14 or 15 years old at the time.

The next thing I know, I have assault charged filed on me and child protection services visits my home.

When we have a society that objects to discipline, are the kids in the opening post the result?

My sister had a dream about our mom hitting her and I had CPS come talk to me. I was like 9 years old and pissed and confused.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It was around 2002, 2003 I whipped my sons ass for not doing his homework. I think he was 14 or 15 years old at the time.

The next thing I know, I have assault charged filed on me and child protection services visits my home.

When we have a society that objects to discipline, are the kids in the opening post the result?

Discipline doesn't just entail "whipping some ass".

The kids in the opening post could be the result of the same type of discipline, or different. Every kid is different.

In the end, they're the result feeling untouchable. Like they can do no wrong. And hte thought process that puts yourself above others. In short, they do not heed the Golden rule :\