CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[lotus503]

You're parroting a feminist myth, of course rape is about sex. Is it often also about those other things too? Yea, for sure. But it's primarily about sex.

What percentage of animal sex in the wild is rape? Are animals all about dominating and violating? Of course not.

great so now we agree that since they raped her it was definitely about the sexual act and not just some frat boy hazing like gluing bottle caps to a pass out dude.

 

[Geosurface]

great so now we agree that since they raped her it was definitely about the sexual act and not just some frat boy hazing like gluing bottle caps to a pass out dude.

I'm honestly not sure what their motives were, in the end their acts were atrocious and foul regardless.

But either way, they did not rape her. As nehalem said earlier, calling this "rape" is raping the definition of rape.

 

[nehalem256]

You're parroting a feminist myth, of course rape is about sex. Is it often also about those other things too? Yea, for sure. But it's primarily about sex.

I have always thought feminists were accidently right when they said rape is about power not sex. I mean why else would someone start calling inappropriate touching rape if not for power over others?

 

[nehalem256]

that would make more sense if they didn't actually CUM on her.

So your method sexual enjoyment is to CUM on others? You can't maybe think of a better way to do it? :hmm:

It sounds more like a way to humiliate her. Kinda like drawing on her face with a magic marker.

 

[ch33zw1z]

1. Rape is as much about power and control as it is about the actual intercourse.

2. I see a couple posters saying what they did was not rape. Well, the law begs to differ, and they were found guilty of their crimes.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So your method sexual enjoyment is to CUM on others? You can't maybe think of a better way to do it? :hmm:

It sounds more like a way to humiliate her. Kinda like drawing on her face with a magic marker.

except their magic marker was a penis, and the ink was their baby batter.

 

[skyking]

You're parroting a feminist myth, of course rape is about sex. Is it often also about those other things too? Yea, for sure. But it's primarily about sex.

What percentage of animal sex in the wild is rape? Are animals all about dominating and violating? Of course not.

I'm repeating the common definitions as can be easily found in psychology classes, the prison system, treatment programs. You know, the professionals.
We get that you hate feminists, but to attribute all things to them is quite paranoid.

 

[nehalem256]

1. Rape is as much about power and control as it is about the actual intercourse.

Rape is about power and control of feminists, agreed.

Why else would they always be about extending the definition of rape?

2. I see a couple posters saying what they did was not rape. Well, the law begs to differ, and they were found guilty of their crimes.

Actually quite often, depending on the state, there is no actual "rape" statutes and it is all called sexual assault.

 

[lotus503]

I'm honestly not sure what their motives were, in the end their acts were atrocious and foul regardless.

But either way, they did not rape her. As nehalem said earlier, calling this "rape" is raping the definition of rape.

Its sure as fuck was rape, by the legal definition and penal codes.
otherwise they wouldn't have been convicted of rape, penetration is not required to legally rape someone.

I wonder if they get fingered by fellow prisoners in jail and cummed on they will consider it rape?

"According to the FBI, rape is "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

 

[ch33zw1z]

Rape is about power and control of feminists, agreed.

disagreed, not even a nice try.

Actually quite often, depending on the state, there is no actual "rape" statutes and it is all called sexual assault.

I don't really care what they label it, as long as the scum are caught and dealt with in a way that will deter repeat offenses. And in this case, that's what has been done. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

 

[Geosurface]

I'm repeating the common definitions as can be easily found in psychology classes, the prison system, treatment programs. You know, the professionals.
We get that you hate feminists, but to attribute all things to them is quite paranoid.

They are as much a product of the prevailing winds of contemporary thought and social zeitgeist as anyone else. I could have quoted "the professionals" not that many years ago saying homosexuality was a mental disorder. They were wrong on that, they're wrong on this.

Power, dominance etc are part of the motivations for a lot of rapists, true. Sexual desire is the primary motivator for most, though. Only political correctness could account for denial of this obvious fact.

 

[ch33zw1z]

They are as much a product of the prevailing winds of contemporary thought and social zeitgeist as anyone else. I could have quoted "the professionals" not that many years ago saying homosexuality was a mental disorder. They were wrong on that, they're wrong on this.

Power, dominance etc are part of the motivations for a lot of rapists, true. Sexual desire is the primary motivator for most, though. Only political correctness could account for denial of this obvious fact.

Safe to assume you've done more research and have sources for these obvious facts?

 

[Geosurface]

Its sure as fuck was rape, by the legal definition and penal codes.
otherwise they wouldn't have been convicted of rape, penetration is not required to legally rape someone.

I wonder if they get fingered by fellow prisoners in jail and cummed on they will consider it rape?

So if Oregon passes a law stating punching someone is murder, did you "sure as fuck" murder someone by punching them in Oregon? No, of course not.

What they did is manifestly NOT rape. This is not debatable.

 

[nehalem256]

except their magic marker was a penis, and the ink was their baby batter.

Except if they had used ink instead of baby batter it would have just been good fun. I don't see much of a difference really.

Certainly not to the life ruining level.

 

[lotus503]

So if Oregon passes a law stating punching someone is murder, did you "sure as fuck" murder someone by punching them in Oregon? No, of course not.

What they did is manifestly NOT rape. This is not debatable.

according to the state law in which they reside,the FBI and dictionary definition it was rape, you can deny this all you want and show all sorts of false equivalence.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/raped

 

[Brainonska511]

So if Oregon passes a law stating punching someone is murder, did you "sure as fuck" murder someone by punching them in Oregon? No, of course not.

What they did is manifestly NOT rape. This is not debatable.

What they did is rape, but you seem to want to parse words and downplay what these assholes did. You may need this chart to help out:

Your other argument about murder is simply a strawman. The law says that penetration, regardless of what is used, is considered rape.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Except if they had used ink instead of baby batter it would have just been good fun. I don't see much of a difference really.

Certainly not to the life ruining level.

Of course you don't, that's the problem.

Their lives aren't ruined. Just changed. Maybe next time the opportunity to take advantage of someone presents itself, the outcome will be different. That's the point of rehabilitation after all. Their punishment has been lenient based on their attitude, behavior, and age.

 

[Brainonska511]

nevermind.

 

[Geosurface]

according to the state law in which they reside,the FBI and dictionary definition it was rape, you can deny this all you want and show all sorts of false equivalence.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/raped

The law is relevant only to the extent it aligns with reality and what is right.

How much weight would you give it if the laws against interracial dating, or helping free a slave, or blacks sitting at the front of a bus were still on the books?

Or some of those weird laws that are still on the books, like don't wear such and such on a Sunday, etc... people dismiss and ignore the law when it fails to sync with reality, such as by smoking pot or drinking til you pass out at 16, and they are right to do so.

 

[Brainonska511]

The law is relevant only to the extent it aligns with reality and what is right.

Give me a break. So it's only rape if it's violent and there is a penile penetration? Any other object isn't rape?

 

[Theb]

Power, dominance etc are part of the motivations for a lot of rapists, true. Sexual desire is the primary motivator for most, though. Only political correctness could account for denial of this obvious fact.

Citation needed.

 

[Geosurface]

Give me a break. So it's only rape if it's violent and there is a penile penetration? Any other object isn't rape?

I would call what they did sexual molestation probably.

 

[Geosurface]

Citation needed.

Citation? It's too basic to even enter that realm. It's like asking me for a citation proving the primary biological motivator for eating is sustenance/hunger because some dipshits had managed to convince people it was all about the taste and advertising and depression eating etc... those are all real things at play in eating but of course the biological need is still the main reason.

Do you believe rape is some new thing? It is very much a part of human sexuality in its natural, pre-civilized state. None of us alive today don't have rapists in our genealogical ancestry, concentrated most at the dawn of our species.

It is simply deemed incompatible with civilized society, and rightly so.

Some humans have the relevant urges more strongly than others, but to pretend it is some alien contaminant in our sexuality is wildly naive and demonstrates a failure to take note of enduringly popular themes in pornography, film, and women's romance novels in particular.

I do not condone, nor promote, nor am I someone with strong urges toward those fantasies. What I am is someone who refuses to sugar coat reality.

 

[Munky]

You people ever hear about "innocent until proven guilty?" Why is it as soon as some holy vagina claims to have been violated, the accuser becomes "victim" and the defendants are vilified as if they were guilty without trial?

 

[skyking]

They were convicted with a ton of evidence.