CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[Texashiker]

So you're all good should someone violate your wife or daughter without their consent.

No, not at all.

If that had been my daughter or wife, I would be pissed.

 

[nehalem256]

What about all the threats and humiliation by these idiots at school, before she pressed charges? These guys started out with no character at a drunk party, but sure as hell did not find any character after they sobered up.

So now humiliation is rape? And how exactly do you humiliate a girl who goes around getting black out drunk at parties. It seems like she has already done a pretty good job of that to me.

Though I agree. The problem here is a lack of character by everyone.

And once again, you have one fucked up way of looking at things. It doesn't matter what part of their body they put inside that girl.

Ask yourself this question would you rather have a guy stick his finger or his penis in your butt. Then tell me it doesn't matter.

They touched her gentiles; its not like the killed her, raped her, dismembered her, then dropped her body parts into a river.

In the grand scheme of things, what the boys did was not "that" bad. Yes they were wrong, but there have been much worse things that have happened to young girls.

The girl is alive, she may be traumatized, but she is alive.

This. But I am not sure how exactly she would be traumatized by something she was too drunk to remember

 

[nehalem256]

So you're all good should someone violate your wife or daughter without their consent.

Lets be fair I think Texashiker's teen daughter would be to scared to go to a party and get blackout drunk because of the ass whipping she would get when she got home

 

[Geosurface]

So you're all good should someone violate your wife or daughter without their consent.

Would you feel differently if it was your younger brother or son registered as a sex offender for life based on these same actions?

 

[lotus503]

Just to be clear

For those that want go the route of saying it ain't that bad, she was only fingered.

The punishment ain't that bad either, one guy got 2 years with credit for time served.

Had this been full blown gang rape with HIV etc, the punishment could have been a ton worse.

The twits got off easy in my book, given not just the incident but horrendous behavior after the fact.

Who knows maybe they will just get fingered in prison.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Would you feel differently if it was your younger brother or son registered as a sex offender for life based on these same actions?

No, if my son or brother committed a crime then they should be held accountable for said crime.

 

[skyking]

Here. I'll quote your post I was responding to so as to remove any confusion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nehalem256
Honestly I think the girl was probably damaged more by the trial and media circus than by being fingered. I mean she doesn't even remember that.

my response: What about all the threats and humiliation by these idiots at school, before she pressed charges? These guys started out with no character at a drunk party, but sure as hell did not find any character after they sobered up.

Your comment was about being 'damaged more' by the media circus.
Now you falsely attribute my comment to equivocating humiliation with rape here:

So now humiliation is rape? And how exactly do you humiliate a girl who goes around getting black out drunk at parties. It seems like she has already done a pretty good job of that to me.

Try to follow along in an honest manner. Go ahead, give it a try.

 

[Matt1970]

Ask yourself this question would you rather have a guy stick his finger or his penis in your butt. Then tell me it doesn't matter.

No, I am being told that because it was only his finger it shouldn't matter.

 

[Matt1970]

I am trying to look at the situation in multiple ways.

What the boys did was wrong, but should we be so quick to pass judgement?

I saw due process. Guilt was established, judgement passed.

 

[Theb]

This thread is weird. The amount of effort being put in to gin up sympathy for a couple of shit heads is bizarre.

I was around overly drunk girls in high school, including girlfriends, and it never occurred to me to sexually assault them. If you're attracted to nonresponsive girls you are one of evolution/god's mistakes.

 

[lotus503]

This thread is weird. The amount of effort being put in to gin up sympathy for a couple of shit heads is bizarre.

I was around overly drunk girls in high school, including girlfriends, and it never occurred to me to sexually assault them. If you're attracted to nonresponsive girls you are one of evolution/god's mistakes.

/thread

 

[skyking]

I concur.

 

[nehalem256]

This thread is weird. The amount of effort being put in to gin up sympathy for a couple of shit heads is bizarre.

I was around overly drunk girls in high school, including girlfriends, and it never occurred to me to sexually assault them. If you're attracted to nonresponsive girls you are one of evolution/god's mistakes.

That would make a lot more sense if they had actually had sex with her.

 

[Matt1970]

If you're attracted to nonresponsive girls you are one of evolution/god's mistakes.

No, but they get that way after you have been with them for a few years.

 

[lotus503]

That would make a lot more sense if they had actually had sex with her.

No it actually it wouldn't. but they fact you need to make that distinction is telling.

 

[Geosurface]

This thread is weird. The amount of effort being put in to gin up sympathy for a couple of shit heads is bizarre.

I was around overly drunk girls in high school, including girlfriends, and it never occurred to me to sexually assault them. If you're attracted to nonresponsive girls you are one of evolution/god's mistakes.

Based on what I've heard about the details of this case, it seems like their actions may have been more about general stupidity and fucking around with someone unconscious. It sounds a bit more like hazing, mockery, fun at her expense than sexual gratification.

I know a lot of these same types of guys fuck around with male friends who are passed out, and I wonder if this wasn't just that but adapted to the fact it was a girl. I realize someone ejaculated at some point, but if this was primarily about sexual gratification they were going about it all wrong... most guys finger girls to gratify the girl, and if they're getting anything out of it it's from seeing her reactions.

Obviously neither her enjoying it nor them enjoying her reactions appears to have been possible here. That's why I suspect it was possibly more about messing with an unconscious person. Had she been a guy they probably would've stuck a carrot up his ass ala Dave Chapelle's old routine about this topic, or taken pics of their balls on his face or drawn a dick on his forehead.

Since she was a girl they tailored it to her, and I don't doubt sexual arousal was PART of it, but after all they did not end up actually raping her.

I suspect more than anything else, the snowball effect of several drunk guys egging each other on to keep doing something ever crazier and shocking/forbidden was the biggest factor.

I could be wrong. I'm not trying to excuse btw, merely to understand and to react rationally.

 

[lotus503]

Based on what I've heard about the details of this case, it seems like their actions may have been more about general stupidity and fucking around with someone unconscious. It sounds a bit more like hazing, mockery, fun at her expense than sexual gratification.

I know a lot of these same types of guys fuck around with male friends who are passed out, and I wonder if this wasn't just that but adapted to the fact it was a girl. I realize someone ejaculated at some point, but if this was primarily about sexual gratification they were going about it all wrong... most guys finger girls to gratify the girl, and if they're getting anything out of it it's from seeing her reactions.

Obviously neither her enjoying it not them enjoying her reactions appears to have been possible here. That's why I suspect it was possibly more about messing with an unconscious person. Had she been a guy they probably would've stuck a carrot up his ass ala Dave Chapelle's old routine about this topic, or taken pics of their balls on his face or drawn a dick on his forehead.

Since she was a girl they tailored it to her, and I don't doubt sexual arousal was PART of it, but after all they did not end up actually raping her.

I suspect more than anything else, the snowball effect of several drunk guys egging each other on to keep doing something ever crazier and shocking/forbidden was the biggest factor.

I could be wrong. I'm not trying to excuse btw, merely to understand and to react rationally.

that would make more sense if they didn't actually CUM on her.

 

[jackstar7]

That would make a lot more sense if they had actually had sex with her.

You... don't know what sex is?

 

[Pens1566]

Misogyny is a little thick in here. Wow.

 

[Geosurface]

that would make more sense if they didn't actually CUM on her.

As I said, I think sexual arousal was PART of it. I just don't think it was the central motivation. Could be wrong. Was the motive in doing that 100% sexual? Or partly to up the ante and do something ever more gross/crass/shocking?

 

[lotus503]

As I said, I think sexual arousal was PART of it. I just don't think it was the central motivation. Could be wrong. Was the motive in doing that 100% sexual? Or partly to up the ante and do something ever more gross/crass/shocking?

I don't think the distinction matters one iota.
Per law they were convicted of rape, because what they did was rape.

Why they chose to rape her, video tape it and act like complete douche bags after the fact is beyond me.

"Trent Mays tried to reassure the victim in another text message: “That was my semen on you, not urine.” He urged her to tell the people he didn’t do anything to her so he wouldn’t get kicked off the football team"

 

[Geosurface]

Misogyny is a little thick in here. Wow.

Exactly the opposite of the truth.

 

[skyking]

the big problem is you equating sex and rape. Rape is violence, violating, controlling, dominating. It is not about the sex.

 

[Pens1566]

Exactly the opposite of the truth.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Geosurface]

the big problem is you equating sex and rape. Rape is violence, violating, controlling, dominating. It is not about the sex.

You're parroting a feminist myth, of course rape is about sex. Is it often also about those other things too? Yea, for sure. But it's primarily about sex.

What percentage of animal sex in the wild is rape? Are animals all about dominating and violating? Of course not.