CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[lotus503]

So can we all agree its probably a bad idea for a drunk girl to party with
some of the posters in this thread?

 

[SheHateMe]

So can we all agree its probably a bad idea for a drunk girl to party with
some of the posters in this thread?

Yup.

Basically:

 

[nehalem256]

So can we all agree its probably a bad idea for a drunk girl to party with
some of the posters in this thread?

No that is completely unnecessary. Men just shouldn't rape ()

 

[nehalem256]

I am a year older than you and I've been to some College parties where both girls and guys were so drunk they blacked out and were laying in the middle of the floor, on a couch, outside on the lawn, or in the bathroom.

You know what people did? They tried to wake them up, called cabs, or offered rides.

One party in particular, a guy was so wasted. He was projectile vomitting everywhere and was just spawned out in the backyard. A couple of guys went out and brought him in the bathroom and laid him in the tub so he wouldn't make a mess. Later, they went around asking if people could give a dollar so that they could get a cab for him.

Never have I seen someone being sexually assaulted. And I've been to some of the worst shit shows in College.

I don't think the average teenager/College kid would have done something like that.

And yet apparently and entire school full of teenagers would. As far as I can tell the girl had zero support from her fellow students.

Maybe you are just getting old. And today's students are much wilder?

 

[Geosurface]

So can we all agree its probably a bad idea for a drunk girl to party with
some of the posters in this thread?

There's no denying that these guys (not just the two convicted, either) were a bunch of fratboyesque, overly entitled, stupid pieces of shit who did something completely vile and disgusting to this girl.

I have a long standing, lifetime hatred of these sorts of people and everything about how they choose to spend their time, entertain themselves, interact with one another, express themselves... everything.

The difference is, I am not one of these people who always thinks female = flawless angel, male = twisted, perverted devil.

My suspicion is that she was exactly like them, another stupid fucktard drunkard tool bag. The female version of them, and nothing better than that.

I am not as concerned as some with what stupid shit these stupid idiots got up to while they were underage drinking and what stupid shit they did to one another.

I feel like I'm being asked to view one drunken idiot as a perfect damsel victim, and another couple of drunken idiots as completely evil, irredeemable monsters. This doesn't ring true on either side to me.

A large part of why I'm arguing the side of this I am, is to bring some balance to this and try to get people to think about some of the double standards our society has. Because like nehalem said, if this was a 16 year old boy who got drunk off his ass and cried "rape" because a couple of drunk girls touched his wang, he'd be laughed off the planet by most people.

I'm interested in analyzing those double standards and either getting people to be more equal in their view of the genders, OR acknowledge the reasons why there are double standards, if we intend to keep those double standards.

I feel that society as a whole, and certainly a lot of posters in this thread, are letting emotion and feminist indoctrination cloud their ability to look at this with any sort of objectivity. This is evidenced by the reliance on personal insults, like the one you just said, against those of us who are taking a different view.

For you to imply that those of us who disagree are OURSELVES a danger to women, is a disgusting move.

In my personal life, I am about as nice, charitable, chivalrous and gentle of a person as you could care to meet. Because I explore intellectual angles that you don't, doesn't make me some sort of monster. The idea of me being at a "let's get wasted" style party is also about as out of step with who I am as a person, and always have been, as is possible.

 

[SheHateMe]

And yet apparently and entire school full of teenagers would. As far as I can tell the girl had zero support from her fellow students.

Maybe you are just getting old. And today's students are much wilder?

Entire school full of teenagers?

She was assaulted by two boys, not the whole school. There were witnesses at the party that saw what happened.

 

[Geosurface]

Entire school full of teenagers?

She was assaulted by two boys, not the whole school. There were witnesses at the party that saw what happened.

Give it another ten years, feminists will have redefined "rape" to include being in the same building as a rape transpiring.

 

[SheHateMe]

Oh, I see...it's the feminists...

 

[Munky]

Wow.

... is what a sheltered leftist liberal says after someone dares question what he accepts without questioning.

 

[SheHateMe]

... is what a sheltered leftist liberal says after someone dares question what he accepts without questioning.

No, its what someone says when a person like you acts like one of the sports fans from Steubenville.

There was tons of evidence against them and you're saying the "claim" was bogus.


You're awesome.

 

[Jaskalas]

Anyone here denying the need to look at the specifics of such a case?

I wonder if you can move on with your argument Geosurface.

 

[nehalem256]

Entire school full of teenagers?

She was assaulted by two boys, not the whole school. There were witnesses at the party that saw what happened.

You mean the witnesses that would only testify if granted immunity? :hmm:

Or the people who apparently thought it was normal to pass around pictures of such an event?

 

[skyking]

geo, Addressing your wall of text:
Once she was passed out, she was at the whim of whomever to do whatever. Call her all the names you want, lambast her for getting drunk, hanging out with the wrong crowd, whatever. She was out. At that point it is impossible for any thinking human being to blame her for what they did next. All your hand wringing and what-ifs don't address that in the least. These guys went 200 pounds, 6 foot plus, and did what they wanted. Most likely anybody who would have rescued her were intimidated by this as well.
She's out cold. She's no perfect angel, no damsel, just a defenseless person at that point. She was a person. You keep harping on about feminist agendas and double standards, why not try treating everybody as people?

 

[SheHateMe]

You mean the witnesses that would only testify if granted immunity? :hmm:

Or the people who apparently thought it was normal to pass around pictures of such an event?

Those photos were circulated by Trent and Ma'lik.


So, yes to your first comment and no to the second.

 

[TerryMathews]

This thread is weird. The amount of effort being put in to gin up sympathy for a couple of shit heads is bizarre.

I was around overly drunk girls in high school, including girlfriends, and it never occurred to me to sexually assault them. If you're attracted to nonresponsive girls you are one of evolution/god's mistakes.

This.

 

[lotus503]

these boys are lucky it wasn't my daughter, it would have been a much more life threatening experience for them.

 

[Screech]

If a girl is passed out, you should:
a) put your dick inside her
b) NOT put your dick inside her

....anyone who has a problem figuring out the right answer to this question should just end themselves to make sure they don't have kids. Seriously. This is not a difficult question to answer.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

these boys are lucky it wasn't my daughter, it would have been a much more life threatening experience for them.

Same here and it wouldn't be me they would have to worry about. Both of my daughters are very proficient at using rifles and handguns. Come to think off it they can skin and gut a deer quite well too.

 

[Munky]

No, its what someone says when a person like you acts like one of the sports fans from Steubenville.

There was tons of evidence against them and you're saying the "claim" was bogus.


You're awesome.

Evidence such as? Photos of her passed out naked? Video of some drunk dudes laughing how she's "raped?" What evidence is there that's not circumstantial at best?

 

[Munky]

So can we all agree its probably a bad idea for a drunk girl to party with
some of the posters in this thread?

"Teach underage women not to get drunk" is a phrase you will NEVER hear from a feminist.

 

[nehalem256]

If a girl is passed out, you should:
a) put your dick inside her
b) NOT put your dick inside her

....anyone who has a problem figuring out the right answer to this question should just end themselves to make sure they don't have kids. Seriously. This is not a difficult question to answer.

Even the "rapists" in this case apparently picked option (b).

 

[lotus503]

Evidence such as? Photos of her passed out naked? Video of some drunk dudes laughing how she's "raped?" What evidence is there that's not circumstantial at best?

Their full on admission of what they did via text and other evidence.

 

[sixone]

Evidence such as? Photos of her passed out naked? Video of some drunk dudes laughing how she's "raped?" What evidence is there that's not circumstantial at best?

How about a text message stating exactly what crime he committed?

Is that good enough for you?

 

[berzerker60]

If Joe sees a woman passed out at a party and slits her throat, no one blames her for getting drunk and wearing this or that. He's a murderer, and he ruined his own life by committing a heinous crime.

If Joe sees a woman passed out and rapes her, suddenly it's tears and hand-wringing about how maybe she wasn't perfect and this is SO bad for Joe's future. He's a rapist, and he ruined his own life by committing a heinous crime.

In neither case does the woman's character, personality, or upbringing matter in the least.

Or a man's, for that matter. Men get raped too. If I pass out at a frat party am I "asking for" getting raped just like she was? What if I work out and wear a tight shirt?

 

[sixone]

"Teach underage women not to get drunk" is a phrase you will NEVER hear from a feminist.

Getting drunk is NOT a crime. Stupid, but not criminal. And these two nitwits weren't convicted because she got drunk. They were convicted because they abused her while she was too impaired to resist.