CNN Demonizes Vaping

[IronWing]

Kinda stretching this conversation a bit with that one me thinks.

Only in that the exposure path for vapor to the lungs is much more direct than the exposure path from puss-weeping sores to intact skin.

 

[MrSquished]

Only in that the exposure path for vapor to the lungs is much more direct than the exposure path from puss-weeping sores to intact skin.

stretching is more like it. borderline insanity stretching. you should get out more.

 

[IronWing]

stretching is more like it. borderline insanity stretching. you should get out more.

You have your nasty habit, I have mine. Mine is less likely to cause harm to others than yours.

 

[smackababy]

Asshole wieners like you are a PITA, you know that second-hand vape is harmless but need to bitch about it anyway. What do you do when there is a brush-fire in your area, go into your hyperbolic chamber and wait it out?.

I don't care how harmful it is, it is annoying these pricks think their stupid shit is jut fine to annoying everyone else with. I actually vape on occasion, but I do it at home. I don't pretend I'm "not smoking" and understand blowing a huge cloud of anything that smells isn't just being a fucking jerkoff. I know Axe body spray doesn't hurt, but I don't run around spraying it on myself everywhere either.

If you want to do it, stfu and do it in designated areas or at home. Otherwise, stfu.

 

[MongGrel]

You have your nasty habit, I have mine. Mine is less likely to cause harm to others than yours.

So you're saying you have puss-weeping sores on your body.

I'll have to remember that in the future.

 

[IronWing]

So you're saying you have puss-weeping sores on your body.

I'll have to remember that in the future.

:wub:

 

[flexy]

Nicotine. Next.

Yes, Nicotine is toxic and and it has some, in fact several *negative* effects on the body, I do not deny that.

But since I vape I can freely adjust (lower) the percentage of Nicotine in my liquids, heck I can even choose to vape 0 Nic. I already went down to 6mg/ml which is "very low" for all my juices. (I started with 18mg or 12mg juices).

And, while Nic has several adverse effects on the body I think having read it is NOT cancerous, unlike the 4000 other ingredients in smoke.

 

[flexy]

People who smoke weed in public should be jailed. Just as people who smoke tobacco in public should be jailed. Maybe bring back public flogging to save jail costs.

I'm all for pot/vape/tobacco being legal but not legal to inflict on others. Do onto yourself as you wish, but keep your shit away from other people. It's pretty simple.

Inflict WHAT to others? I bet you can not even rationally answer that. With cig smoke I still COULD argue that second hand smoke is dangerous, with vaping there is nothing I can "inflict" on you...unless you make up something for the sake of "being against vaping and vapers".

 

[flexy]

Kids want to look cool and want to be rebels. It's always been that way. I'm not surprised at them being increasingly attracted to vaping.

Smoking indeed lost it's "coolness" factor like it had back some decades ago.

So..if kids are indeed "attracted to vaping" since it seems "cool" you should actually be glad because those same kids would probably smoke otherwise. Now they don't. They vape flavored liquids and not fricking carcinogenous cigs.
OF COURSE, I can understand and agree if you say that they shouldn't do either, but wouldn't you agree that today it is much better when "kids" vape rather than back in the 70s where smoking was sort-of something you did if you wanted to be cool?

 

[smackababy]

Inflict WHAT to others? I bet you can not even rationally answer that. With cig smoke I still COULD argue that second hand smoke is dangerous, with vaping there is nothing I can "inflict" on you...unless you make up something for the sake of "being against vaping and vapers".

When you vape, do you really think when inhaled ALL of the chemicals are absorbed by your lungs? When you are blowing that shit out, it contains what you inhaled, even if it is less.

 

[flexy]

hahahahaaaaa right!!!

it is INDEED. I am sorry you feel the need to give an opinion while it's obvious you are ignorant. (Not an insult, just an observation).

Rest assured if exhaled vape would contain lots of harmful stuff incl. remains of inhaled nicotine, WE HAD STUDIES SHOWING THIS and you could read them.

Vaping exists for...a decade or so..and as mentioned already, plenty of tests have been made. Pretty much all nic is inhaled and no significant amount (if any) exhaled with the vape, it is indeed water vapor.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

it is INDEED. I am sorry you feel the need to give an opinion while it's obvious you are ignorant. (Not an insult, just an observation).

Rest assured if exhaled vape would contain lots of harmful stuff incl. remains of inhaled nicotine, WE HAD STUDIES SHOWING THIS and you could read them.

Vaping exists for...a decade or so..and as mentioned already, plenty of tests have been made. Pretty much all nic is inhaled and no significant amount (if any) exhaled with the vape, it is indeed water vapor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_electronic_cigarettes

No they haven't. Test data is sparse and no real long term studies have been done.

Its almost certain that vaping is much much less harmful than cigs, but outright saying that they're fine and completely healthy is stupid.

 

[IronWing]

No one has tested the safety of my scabs so I'm going with the thought that they are harmless and anyone objecting to having puss wiped on them is just looking for something to bitch about. After all, everyone I wipe puss on comes into contact with e. coli every day anyway.

 

[Eug]

If I were vaping around you and you told me that it bothered you I would stop. I understand people have the right to breathe unaltered air and I would respect that but I really think the air pollution from many other sources are probably a lot worse than 2nd-hand vapor, just my $2 cents.

This is a similar argument to what smokers made 30 years ago.

And when that didn't fly, the statement was just "Fsck you, I'm gonna smoke regardless."

P.S. The flavoured stuff reminds me of the flavoured cigs they used to sell eons ago, aimed at teens.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Like I said, I have no issue. Why should I have an issue?

Just to be clear, are you saying you're OK with 6 year old's vaping?


Brian

 

[MrSquished]

You have your nasty habit, I have mine. Mine is less likely to cause harm to others than yours.

got it. the open puss sores - you were projecting. makes sense now.

 

[flexy]

I am NOT ok with 6 year olds vaping and I am also not ok with kids starting to vape or with anyone vaping under 18. There is a reason why ecig stores etc. are for people 18+.

As I see it, vaping is (mostly) for people who used to SMOKE. As a vaper I would never ever "encourage" someone to start vaping.

That people use vaping devices to take drugs is an entirely different story. People who use drugs might also sniff glue for example - we're not calling for bans of Home Depot, Walmarts etc. because they sell glue in their isles?

But this is in essence what this article does, they want vaping and ecig stores banned because some people use the stuff for vaporizing drugs.

And by the way...just a few days earlier (sorry, no link, google it), the same CNN had an article citing that vaping is found to be "healthy" according to a recent UK study, aka "it needs to be promoted due to its health benefits". This was just one week or so ago.

Ok here we go:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/health/e-cigarettes-help-smokers-quit/

The uncertainty surrounding use of e-cigarettes, also known as vaping, did not stop a government body in the United Kingdom from concluding in a new report that e-cigarettes could help people quit smoking.

The report, published by Public Health England, stated that e-cigarettes are 95% safer than normal cigarettes, and that the "public health opportunities" of these devices should be maximized. The authors of the report recommended that a range of prescription-based e-cigarette options be available, as there are for nicotine replacement therapies.

and re: "nicotine replacement therapies" <--- we all know they're an overpriced scam with the tobacco lobby having their hands in it.

Summary of findings

Two recent worldwide media headlines asserted that EC use is dangerous. These were based on misinterpreted research findings. A high level of formaldehyde was found when e-liquid was over-heated to levels unpalatable to EC users, but there is no indication that EC users are exposed to dangerous levels of aldehydes; stressed mice poisoned with very high levels of nicotine twice daily for two weeks were more likely to lose weight and die when exposed to bacteria and viruses, but this has no relevance for human EC users. The ongoing negative media campaigns are a plausible explanation for the change in the perception of EC safety (see Chapter 8).

None of the studies reviewed above alter the conclusion of Professor Britton&#8217;s 2014 review for PHE. While vaping may not be 100% safe, most of the chemicals causing smoking-related disease are absent and the chemicals that are present pose limited danger. It had previously been estimated that EC are around 95% safer than smoking [10, 146]. This appears to remain a reasonable estimate.

Policy implications

o There is a need to publicise the current best estimate that using EC is around 95% safer than smoking.
o Encouraging smokers who cannot or do not want to stop smoking to switch to EC could be adopted as one of the key strategies to reduce smoking related disease and death.

Not sure what to think about this "95%" assessment...but what on Earth is really "100% safe" I ask?

 

[Brian Stirling]

Yes, I agree that many if not most vapers are cigarette or ex-cigarette smokers and vaping gives them the chance to reclaim what used to be there right -- to smoke in peoples faces. Years ago, before smoking in public places was banned, smokers would light up where ever they wished and few of them cared one wit if it bothered those around them. But over time they pissed off so many people that laws were enacted to deny them the right to do that.

So now we have vaping and vapers wish to start the whole cycle over and vape in public. The tobacco companies that have a stake in both vaping and cigarettes are tickled pink with vaping as they know it will bring in a new crop of cigarette smokers. Last year we had a family get together at Indy for the 500 and we camped at the American Legion RV park right across from the track. Right next to us was a booth that sold vaping supplies. Most of the workers would go behind the booth on there break to ... wait for it ... smoke cigarettes!


Brian

 

[MrSquished]

Yes, I agree that many if not most vapers are cigarette or ex-cigarette smokers and vaping gives them the chance to reclaim what used to be there right -- to smoke in peoples faces. Years ago, before smoking in public places was banned, smokers would light up where ever they wished and few of them cared one wit if it bothered those around them. But over time they pissed off so many people that laws were enacted to deny them the right to do that.

So now we have vaping and vapers wish to start the whole cycle over and vape in public. The tobacco companies that have a stake in both vaping and cigarettes are tickled pink with vaping as they now it will bring in a new crop of cigarette smokers. Last year we had a family get together at Indy for the 500 and we camped at the American Legion RV park right across from the track. Right next to us was a booth that sold vaping supplies. Most of the workers would go behind the booth on there break to ... wait for it ... smoke cigarettes!


Brian

wow that is a strong sample size. i'll give you one of a similar size.

I smoke 99% less cigarettes since I started vaping. I know of numerous others who are the same.

amazing.

 

[smackababy]

wow that is a strong sample size. i'll give you one of a similar size.

I smoke 99% less cigarettes since I started vaping. I know of numerous others who are the same.

amazing.

I smoke 100% less cigarettes now that I can vape.

 

[CZroe]

I feel that I am going to have to reiterate this with every post because defending liberty and freedom sounds so much like a bias:
I have never vaped nor smoked nor toked. I do not ever intend to. I believe the Libertarian perspective is particularly relevant in this discussion. Until harmful second-hand effects can be proven the industry can self-regulate just like the MPAA and theater owners and just like porn publishers and porn vendors. Clearly.

This is what makes you guys realize CNN is dumb, a vaping article?

Anyway pure nicotine is still bad for you.

Pure oxygen is bad for you.

Too much of pretty much anything can be deadly. What is your point, exactly? Second hand vape exposure... is harmful? Assume much? If you had anything proving this then you might have an argument for regulations, but you don't and you like making demands before they are justified. Cute.

I don't care how harmful it is, it is annoying these pricks think their stupid shit is jut fine to annoying everyone else with. I actually vape on occasion, but I do it at home. I don't pretend I'm "not smoking" and understand blowing a huge cloud of anything that smells isn't just being a fucking jerkoff. I know Axe body spray doesn't hurt, but I don't run around spraying it on myself everywhere either.

If you want to do it, stfu and do it in designated areas or at home. Otherwise, stfu.

Getting butthurt that people aren't vaping in "designated areas" when there is no such thing yet? Bravo.

When you vape, do you really think when inhaled ALL of the chemicals are absorbed by your lungs? When you are blowing that shit out, it contains what you inhaled, even if it is less.

ZOMG! "Chemicals."

Air is "chemicals." Everything is "chemicals." You really think that helps your point? Calling them "chemicals" is supposed to scare people into thinking like you?! That you have resorted to this only shows how willing you are to scrape the bottom of the barrel. Sure, you vape and I don't, but I can see your slant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_electronic_cigarettes

No they haven't. Test data is sparse and no real long term studies have been done.

Its almost certain that vaping is much much less harmful than cigs, but outright saying that they're fine and completely healthy is stupid.

...and assuming that you need to regulate something FIRST and then find out if it's harmful is even more stupid. It runs counter to everything we believe in. The burden of proof is on those who fear it is potentially harmful. Period. Until they can prove it or at least have a working theory of why it might likely be harmful or what about it is harmful, people are free to do it. That's liberty. DEAL WITH IT.

No one has tested the safety of my scabs so I'm going with the thought that they are harmless and anyone objecting to having puss wiped on them is just looking for something to bitch about. After all, everyone I wipe puss on comes into contact with e. coli every day anyway.

Cry about it more. Them's the ropes.

This is a similar argument to what smokers made 30 years ago.

And when that didn't fly, the statement was just "Fsck you, I'm gonna smoke regardless."

P.S. The flavoured stuff reminds me of the flavoured cigs they used to sell eons ago, aimed at teens.

Great. Guess what happened AFTER people showed it to be harmful?

If you believe it is harmful then let history repeat itself or MAKE history repeat itself. Don't try to skip a step that is necessary in any freedom-loving society.

 

[tortillasoup]

Just to be clear, are you saying you're OK with 6 year old's vaping?


Brian

I have no issue with 6 year olds "vaping". WHY SHOULD I HAVE AN ISSUE? Vaping doesn't necessarily have to have any nicotine content or any other drug content.

 

[IronWing]

If you believe it is harmful then let history repeat itself or MAKE history repeat itself. Don't try to skip a step that is necessary in any freedom-loving society.

You don't like me wiping my puss on your skin? Well boo hoo. Wear a tyvek suit but don't tell me I can't wipe my puss on whomever I damn well please. Until you can prove that each and every sore holds dangerous puss I will continue to enjoy my freedom.

 

[CZroe]

You don't like me wiping my puss on your skin? Well boo hoo. Wear a tyvek suit but don't tell me I can't wipe my puss on whomever I damn well please. Until you can prove that each and every sore holds dangerous puss I will continue to enjoy my freedom.

I didn't. Cry more.

 

[Eug]

Great. Guess what happened AFTER people showed it to be harmful?

If you believe it is harmful then let history repeat itself or MAKE history repeat itself. Don't try to skip a step that is necessary in any freedom-loving society.

This sounds like people hiding their heads in the sand. I guess you're OK with 12 year olds vaping then.