CNN Demonizes Vaping

[tortillasoup]

I'd be pissed if my kid vaped.

I view it as no different than smoking. Do what you want, just not around me.

How is "smoking" vegetable glycerine the same as smoking? I don't vape but I don't see any issue at all with kids vaping VG + flavoring stuff? I get the nicotine angle but if it doesn't have that stuff, shouldn't matter.

 

[Brian Stirling]

How is "smoking" vegetable glycerine the same as smoking? I don't vape but I don't see any issue at all with kids vaping VG + flavoring stuff? I get the nicotine angle but if it doesn't have that stuff, shouldn't matter.

OK, just so I understand you, would you be OK with 6 year old's vaping? If not why not!


Brian

 

[MongGrel]

How is "smoking" vegetable glycerine the same as smoking? I don't vape but I don't see any issue at all with kids vaping VG + flavoring stuff? I get the nicotine angle but if it doesn't have that stuff, shouldn't matter.

OK, just so I understand you, would you be OK with 6 year old's vaping? If not why not!


Brian

I have a problem with kids vaping period.

The only reason I endorse it is i was enticed to get hooked on cigarettes when I was 12 years old a bit over 40 years ago and is a much better alternative.

 

[blankslate]

I LA Beast it from time to time...

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[Thump553]

Yeah what could be wrong with injecting nicotine into your lungs?

Demonizing not found, early warning of stupid human behavior leading to useless (at best) and harmful human addiction found.

 

[Blanky]

What do you expect? They (the media) has been doing the same thing to gun owners (among other groups) for years.

We no longer have competent press in the United States or, for that matter, anywhere in the world.

-KeithP

Guns, drones, whatever. They turn everything into a fucking circus.

 

[CZroe]

I love those useless statistics. My friend has run two different vape shops and always cites growth statistics. Back in 2012 he tried to impress me by saying that the market had tripled since the previous year. I chuckled and explained that this is easy to do when the product almost didn't exist before then. Is the first year since the introduction of any product always considered a trend? If I invented cigarettes and experimentally sold ONE in the first year because I didn't have a pack to sell, I don't get to claim a 20x year over year growth rate because I sold one pack the next year. Similarly, I don't get to claim an infinite growth rate over the year prior to introduction. It's meaningless.

It sounds scary that usage has tripled among kids, but it doesn't look like they differentiated between nicotine vaping and non-addictive vaping. Also, they didn't consider that it is an improvement versus those same kids smoking. Even the "first time" kids who never smoked are most likely kids who WOULD have been trying cigs otherwise. Way to spin a good thing as a bad thing, CNN.

I have never smoked nor vaped.

 

[lxskllr]

I love those useless statistics. My friend has run two different vape shops and always cites growth statistics. Back in 2012 he tried to impress me by saying that the market had tripled since the previous year. I chuckled and explained that this is easy to do when the product almost didn't exist before then. Is the first year since the introduction of any product always considered a trend? If I invented cigarettes and experimentally sold ONE in the first year because I didn't have a pack to sell, I don't get to claim a 20x year over year growth rate because I sold one pack the next year. Similarly, I don't get to claim an infinite growth rate over the year prior to introduction. It's meaningless.

It sounds scary that usage has tripled among kids, but it doesn't look like they differentiated between nicotine vaping and non-addictive vaping. Also, they didn't consider that it is an improvement versus those same kids smoking. Even the "first time" kids who never smoked are most likely kids who WOULD have been trying cigs otherwise. Way to spin a good thing as a bad thing, CNN.

I have never smoked nor vaped.

 

[Eug]

I'm with CNN on this one.

 

[sze5003]

I do have a thing against people vaping if you have not smoked cigarettes before. You don't need to do it so don't! I'm all for those getting off cigs with vaping. I enjoyed smoking kind of like someone enjoys a cigar. But I was coughing up mucus and all kinds of junk. I have never done that since I started vaping. Hell try exercising while I used to smoke, out of breathe. Now, I can do all of that without getting tired.

To these kids it looks like the cool thing to do now and ecigs have changed a lot since they came out. The market has increased for them but I don't think someone who's never smoked should go and get one because its safer. I know, weird logic.

 

[rh71]

You want to keep kids from smoking, let them try it when they're like 10... they'll find it completely repulsive. Ask me how I know.

 

[sze5003]

You want to keep kids from smoking, let them try it when they're like 10... they'll find it completely repulsive. Ask me how I know.

I stole one from my uncle when I was 8 or 9 and it was the grossest thing ever. I ended up picking it up in college though.

 

[Kwatt]

A random thought...

Vaping liquids contain no tobacco products.
Tobacco has some very high taxes.
If everyone were to swap over to vaping a lot of budgets would take a hit.... I have found that most of the time its about the money. Don't know in this case. I would make a small wager on it though.

Most of the people (~10) I know who vape use nicotine free liquids. Myself and one other are the only ones I know who use nicotine juice. It has reduced my smoking a lot bit but not completely. And I only smoke/vape at home or in my vehicle.

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[ThatsABigOne]

Asshole vapers are already spewing their shit around other people. Fuck them.

This.

 

[BUTCH1]

Asshole vapers are already spewing their shit around other people. Fuck them.

Asshole wieners like you are a PITA, you know that second-hand vape is harmless but need to bitch about it anyway. What do you do when there is a brush-fire in your area, go into your hyperbolic chamber and wait it out?.

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

Note how they mix "the problem" (of people using drugs) into one single pot with vaping.

Well, vaping is doing drugs so....

 

[sze5003]

Well, vaping is doing drugs so....

So is drinking alcohol..everything is bad for you

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

So is drinking alcohol..everything is bad for you

Yes but when I drink alcohol I don't also spit it out on other people randomly.

 

[sze5003]

So then those Vicks vapor rub machines are horrible too I guess. Vapor instantly dissipates. People are kidding themselves thinking the 1000+ chemicals in second hand smoke from a cigarette is any better spewed around someone.

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

So then those Vicks vapor rub machines are horrible too I guess. Vapor instantly dissipates. People are kidding themselves thinking the 1000+ chemicals in second hand smoke from a cigarette is any better spewed around someone.

I don't know what the heck a Vicks vapor rub machine is. Cigarette smoke spewed around someone is bad, yes.

 

[BUTCH1]

Well, vaping is doing drugs so....

Not all vapes have nicotine, one can choose whatever level one desire's. I'm not in any way defending nicotine as it is addicting but vaping vs smoking is a totally different animal. Smoking a cig is burning plant leaves and inhaling that vs inhaling a vapor with few ingredients, if you can't see the difference that's your issue, As for vaping this "flakko" crap kids would just find a different way if they want to use it. Shit I went the other day to get a duster-can to blow out my rig and a girl ahd to come over and approve the purchase, (I was in the self-checkout lane). I asked what the issue was and was informed "kids have been huffing this stuff"

 

[TechBoyJK]

Vape all you want - just not around me. I don't mind folks using nicotine. It's no different than drinking alcohol in my opinion. But many vapers think that it's 'better' than smoking around others. That hasn't been proven - and the chemicals you're putting out are atomized.

Some studies say that the concentrations are low enough that they may not affect others like second hand smoke does. But we simply don't know that yet. Look how long it took doctors to get around the whole big-tobacco money stream to admit it causes cancer.

Vape till you heart's content. Just don't do it in a room I'm in. I see it no different than smoking around me.

You have to be really dense or willfully dismissive of common sense not to know vaping is far less harmful than smoking in all degrees. Of course, you have to make exception for someone vaping antifreeze, but in general, the practice of vaping is far less harmful. FAR LESS.

 

[CoPhotoGuy]

Not all vapes have nicotine, one can choose whatever level one desire's. I'm not in any way defending nicotine as it is addicting but vaping vs smoking is a totally different animal. Smoking a cig is burning plant leaves and inhaling that vs inhaling a vapor with few ingredients, if you can't see the difference that's your issue, As for vaping this "flakko" crap kids would just find a different way if they want to use it. Shit I went the other day to get a duster-can to blow out my rig and a girl ahd to come over and approve the purchase, (I was in the self-checkout lane). I asked what the issue was and was informed "kids have been huffing this stuff"

Everyone I know that uses them uses the ones with drugs. Ok...there's others that don't have that? Whatever, I still don't need to partake in your habbit.

Ya know...water is harmless I'll just spew it on you randomly whenever. No problems right?

 

[sze5003]

People also like going to hookah places, same concept can be said about that. People complain just because they can. No one should take it personally.

 

[IGBT]

it's a drug delivery format / device..it's for druggies.