"China thinks it can defeat America in battle"

[Nebor]

A high altitude detonation will have to launch from somewhere. We can detect any launches and deal with them long before that happens. There is literally no scenario in which China can cripple the US. China would have to perform such a detonation over Guam to have close to a chance, but we have Incirlik on the other side of China. You think any real act of aggression is going to stop the US from obliterating mainland China? They can go into Taiwan all they'd like, while we are bombing Bejing.

Taiwan isn't any more worth going to war over than Ukraine. Once they have it, it's theirs, and we're not going to start WW3 to take it back. In the most likely scenario, Chinese forces never come into conflict with US forces, and US forces in Japan are unable to intercede on behalf of Taiwan.

Also I don't know how you think the US is going to "deal with" a nuclear missile launched from mainland China or a ballistic missile sub into the atmosphere above the Pacific Ocean.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Does the rest of the world really have that few of aircraft carriers or do they use some sort of other ships to hold jets on the seas? That is amazing!

The US would rather go zillions into debt and have lots of carriers.

In saying that, the UK are replacing theirs with two much larger carriers (still smaller than most of the US ones though)

 

[Shlong]

Let see, beside North Korea and maybe Pakistan, china has no allies. US has (from Asia or close by region) Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, even countries such as Philippines and Vietnam are much more open/friendly to US than china right now.

Bully china has not fight with anyone recently, the last time was 1979 and it was humiliated by women and old men of the local Vietnam militia force with ten of thousands PLA soldiers lay dead at the border.

If I have to pick US or china, I will pick US because of training, equipments, and experience (real one and not from simulator games).

If future wars are trending towards bots / drones controlled from computers, S. Korea would be unstoppable with their Starcraft / League of Legend heroes.

 

[MetalMat]

The US would rather go zillions into debt and have lots of carriers.

In saying that, the UK are replacing theirs with two much larger carriers (still smaller than most of the US ones though)

Yeah this thread inspired me to go take a look at military spending, rankings and what not on the world level. I knew the US was the top dog but I did not realize how much more powerful it is than Russia & China. Hell we spend more money on military than #2-#11 combined.

 

[Mai72]

Great Britain had the best military and naval fleet when we fought them for our independence. We were seriously lacking and yet we emerged victorious.

Never underestimate the will to fight. If we were to fight China we will probably be doing it on China's home turf. I seriously doubt that they would attempt to invade us. It would be suicide for them.

As we've seen with Vietnam, war is very unpredictable. There is a lot to consider. It's more than just who has the best military and hardware. That stuff matters. I'm just saying that there is more to war than what's on the exterior.

I still say that China is buying time. I don't see us fighting them in my life time. In 50 years? America is going to look much different, so the people who are going to be running our military will probably be minorities. Maybe even Asian?

 

[Ns1]

srsly guys, for all your military technology penis waving, remember that a few million vietnamese with sticks and AK's f'ed the US up.

Granted a lot of that was due to a lack of will from the general populace, but that's kind of the point isn't it?

 

[Fenixgoon]

srsly guys, for all your military technology penis waving, remember that a few million vietnamese with sticks and AK's f'ed the US up.

Granted a lot of that was due to a lack of will from the general populace, but that's kind of the point isn't it?

the US at the time was still training for a traditional war (e.g. repeat of WWI/WWII). today's armed forces are much more familiar with urban combat scenarios, which would more closely resemble the vietnam.

 

[Zebo]

the US at the time was still training for a traditional war (e.g. repeat of WWI/WWII). today's armed forces are much more familiar with urban combat scenarios, which would more closely resemble the vietnam.

Which explains our big time success in Iraq and Afghanistan right?

Get a clue. US gets beat in any unconventional war. And it will be low level unconventional with nukes on the table where any slight they could go off.

Actually I don't think US would do a damn thing about Taiwan when it comes down to it. Too risky. Like Chimera. Like East Ukraine if Russia pushed issue.

Some sanctions thats about it.

Carry on with chest beating though. Have to justify spending 700 billion on a failed force/jobs program somehow.

I don't even mind a federal jobs program. It's the unproductive nature of .mils I have a problem with.

 

[Zebo]

Taiwan isn't any more worth going to war over than Ukraine. Once they have it, it's theirs, and we're not going to start WW3 to take it back. In the most likely scenario, Chinese forces never come into conflict with US forces, and US forces in Japan are unable to intercede on behalf of Taiwan.

Also I don't know how you think the US is going to "deal with" a nuclear missile launched from mainland China or a ballistic missile sub into the atmosphere above the Pacific Ocean.

I rest my case.

 

[pcgeek11]

When did you serve?
Pretty sure the US military uses metric these days?

Retired in 1993.

 

[pcgeek11]

Looked it up myself.
The US Navy still uses inches for it's guns. Subs use "kiloyards" for distance

They have always used thousand yards as a measurement. A yard is not metric and neither is a thousand.

I have never heard anyone call it a kiloyard although I guess it would be technically correct as a kiloyard would equal a thousand yards.

 

[pcgeek11]

How many times do you see an American aircraft carrier on an actual mission without some Canadian ships around it?

What?

All the time.

 

[zanejohnson]

we wont do a single thing about Taiwan, it would be economic suicide for us to confront china head on...

that's why the war is waged by proxy, in the middle east, and Africa.....make no mistake, the war is west vs east... the battlefield is whatever country the two world powers decide to install puppet regimes in, and the problem is, it's starting to escalate rapidly...


it's the same old war, it's just flaring up again, and flaring up HOT this time.... Ukraine, is Taiwan...

and now it looks as though the Israeli/Palestine conflict is about to full throttle, and that WILL be the ignition to full blown war time America again....

Russia and China are working together to remove the petrodollar from the intertwined economy of the east, that pipeline.. is the key.

think of Russia and China as one.. because technically they are... in the same sense that Israel and USA are one..

Russia/China just made a big move on the chess board, with Ukraine... and it's a two step move.. we'll see Taiwan flare up quickly, and China will install there own puppet regime.. just like what Putin did in Ukraine... and at the same time, Putin will move to gain control of the rest of Ukraine (he already has, it's just not official yet as it's still on fire...

the East just grabbed Ukraine, and Taiwan...


Israel is bombing the gaza strip relentlessly right now... it's NOT about those dead teens, it's a provocative move, orchestrated by the west (USA and Israel)... the UN will side with Isreal, Russia and China will use the eastern propoganda machine to garner support to intervene...... and it will be worldwide known and become clear to everyone...

this is beginning of WW3, but it's gonna be about 2 years before an actual american soldier fires on an actual russian or chinese soldier... but the day that happens, is the day the shit actually hits the fan... it's being tossed towards the ceiling right now..

 

[pcgeek11]

Balls is making your way through life without mommy govt taking over from your parents after graduation from HS. Other than combat arms it's not even dangerous - a clerk at convenience store is at more danger than someone on a boat. Do you thank them for their service?

I admire combat arms should be paid 10x what normal military members are in rear with gear sucking teet but I still dont see them as services anyone other than Halliburton stock price. But then I don't believe in standing army either. Just a liability and deosnt advance human kind. Service would have been using that 2T iraq costed and building a 100% fossil fuel independent power grind in the United States.

Oh, so what you really mean is that you don't know shit about the military.

OK, but why didn't you just say that then.

 

[Zebo]

Oh, so what you really mean is that you don't know shit about the military.

OK, but why didn't you just say that then.

I know it loses a lot. Inefficient. Hmm sounds a lot like a big govt program.

 

[zanejohnson]

it's not the dollar they want rid of, they could care less.....it's the link between the dollar (fiat currency) to the petrodollar that they want to rid... (because they understand that as long as the petrodollar is linked to the fractional reserve fiat dollar, our debt, that they hold, only exists electronically because of fraction reserve banking, which is designed so that our debt, that 17 trillion, is actually our greatest weapon.. the debt, is actually our, advantage......... because it is DEBT TO ITSELF, money=debt.... we can never get out of debt, they can never collect the debt (because then it wouldn't exist)

now, imagine if the issued the fractional reserve fiat currency, a new currency tied to a new "petrodollar."


flippity flop....then we're the sweat shop nation... they would be in debt to us, and effectively use, our own greatest weapon against us...


watch the IMF very closely in the coming months, it's all coming into fruition quickly, as soon as the chinese currency gains triple A rating, the oil will be tied to it.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Which explains our big time success in Iraq and Afghanistan right?

Get a clue. US gets beat in any unconventional war. And it will be low level unconventional with nukes on the table where any slight they could go off.

Actually I don't think US would do a damn thing about Taiwan when it comes down to it. Too risky. Like Chimera. Like East Ukraine if Russia pushed issue.

Some sanctions thats about it.

Carry on with chest beating though. Have to justify spending 700 billion on a failed force/jobs program somehow.

I don't even mind a federal jobs program. It's the unproductive nature of .mils I have a problem with.

Occupying China? We'd fucking suck at that. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd fairly quickly push us out (within a year or two) rather than it being a potential infinite quagmire. Who's standing military (and ability to project power) gets rolled first? Without a doubt, China would get crushed. Whether we'd actually do something, probably depends on the standing orders of the forces set to defend Taiwan... We don't have forces set aside to stop an invasion of Crimea and a sea to delay invaders; it's a completely different scenario... If the forces don't have standing orders to act immediately though, I doubt anything would be done.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

it's not the dollar they want rid of, they could care less.....it's the link between the dollar (fiat currency) to the petrodollar that they want to rid... (because they understand that as long as the petrodollar is linked to the fractional reserve fiat dollar, our debt, that they hold, only exists electronically because of fraction reserve banking, which is designed so that our debt, that 17 trillion, is actually our greatest weapon.. the debt, is actually our, advantage......... because it is DEBT TO ITSELF, money=debt.... we can never get out of debt, they can never collect the debt (because then it wouldn't exist)

now, imagine if the issued the fractional reserve fiat currency, a new currency tied to a new "petrodollar."


flippity flop....then we're the sweat shop nation... they would be in debt to us, and effectively use, our own greatest weapon against us...


watch the IMF very closely in the coming months, it's all coming into fruition quickly, as soon as the chinese currency gains triple A rating, the oil will be tied to it.

You need to lay off the pipe and blogs.

 

[Mai72]

All of this talk is bullshit anyway. We don't know what will happen until we are actually engaged. Isn't war comparable to a football game? You might have the better team. You might have the better quarterback. Then it's time for the game and you get trounced.

War is a very unpredictable beast.

 

[Mai72]

I think if China were at the point of collapse they would just start shooting nukes and we would all bite the dust.

 

[Zebo]

Occupying China? We'd fucking suck at that. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd fairly quickly push us out (within a year or two) rather than it being a potential infinite quagmire. Who's standing military (and ability to project power) gets rolled first? Without a doubt, China would get crushed. Whether we'd actually do something, probably depends on the standing orders of the forces set to defend Taiwan... We don't have forces set aside to stop an invasion of Crimea and a sea to delay invaders; it's a completely different scenario... If the forces don't have standing orders to act immediately though, I doubt anything would be done.

China knows no standing army can beat US. Would be foolish to fight that way.

They'd come in probably underwater with hundreds of thousands of infantry. Or blitzkrieg across straight before we could react. Would instantly be an insurgency seizing all Taiwan's govt/business assets we could do nothing about without massive casualties which of course we won't do because of MAD.

 

[Mai72]

Anyway,

America is changing for the better. Once we start to replace these racist war mongering white people with actual minorities who represent America, we will start to see a change in how our military functions. It will be positive.

It will be for the better.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

China knows no standing army can beat US. Would be foolish to fight that way.

They'd come in probably underwater with hundreds of thousands of infantry. Or blitzkrieg across straight before we could react. Would instantly be an insurgency seizing all Taiwan's govt/business assets we could do nothing about without massive casualties which of course we won't do because of MAD.

HAHAHAHA, yea because the logistics of organizing hundreds of thousands of troops and the submersible (or even just normal) transports that could do that would go completely unnoticed.

 

[Mai72]

As you can see America is going to change. The old way of doing things will be no more. This includes war mongering by old angry whites who send minorities to fight their wars. By 2050, we will have minorities in power who will do things differently.

 

[Zebo]

All of this talk is bullshit anyway. We don't know what will happen until we are actually engaged. Isn't war comparable to a football game? You might have the better team. You might have the better quarterback. Then it's time for the game and you get trounced.

War is a very unpredictable beast.

Wars dont take place between nuclear powers because of that unpredictability. We do proxy wars. We arm the hell out of Taiwan but sure as shit won't start shooting Chinese.

If you think Americans are indoctrinated with "merica fuck yeah" thats nothing compared to Han Chinese. All hell will break loose and military thinkers know it. Little Taiwan isnt worth it.