Also, what does this have to do with claiming the Catholic Church was the original Christian church? It doesn't support that argument.
Again... tell me where you get this stuff. Don't bother making baseless claims if you're not going to defend them.
No, not that topic. But you're putting the Bible above the Church that put it together.
..I was the person who disagreed with you yesterday Gurck...
Well, it looks like your poll justifies my point....
Catholicism is a facet of Christianity...
I didn't think you would start a thread on it...but it seems most are agreeing with me on this..
Do you still want to argue your point "kid" ?
P.S. I will clarify this to you again, I am not a "sport"... (lmao)
Well, it looks like your poll justifies my point....
Catholicism is a facet of Christianity...
I didn't think you would start a thread on it...but it seems most are agreeing with me on this..
Do you still want to argue your point "kid" ?
P.S. I will clarify this to you again, I am not a "sport"... (lmao)
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Interesting that you attempt to prove that Catholics aren't Christian by linking to a source that says they ARE Christian.
"For the last two thousand years, the Christian Church has held certain beliefs to be vital to one's faith. While there is some doctrinal disagreement within the three branches of Christendom -Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant- there is a general agreement among them as to the essentials of the faith."
Yep, you're right, kudos on that. You did start in with namecalling, however, which was why I ventured a guess as to your age being young - and I stand by my guess.
Well, I am young, but I am not dumb...you started the name calling..
From what it seems, since your mentioning my age, this prolly means that you thought I was "wrong" yesterday and didn't know what I was talkin about cus Im young...
Im still surprised that you would even start this thread, because you sounded so confident that you were correct yesterday, and yet you were partially, or should I say mostly incorrect...
But no hard feelings...
Catholicism is a form of Christianity. Anyone saying otherwise is likely Protestant or is otherwise opposed to the Catholic faith. There really should be no arguement about this.
christianity (dictionary.com)
n 1: a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior [syn: Christianity, Christian religion] 2: the collective body of Christians throughout the world and history (found predominantly in Europe and the Americas and Australia); "for a thousand years the Roman Catholic Church was the principal church of Christendom"
christianity (dictionary.com)
n 1: a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior [syn: Christianity, Christian religion] 2: the collective body of Christians throughout the world and history (found predominantly in Europe and the Americas and Australia); "for a thousand years the Roman Catholic Church was the principal church of Christendom"
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You cannot classify a religion as a whole based on it's part, that's what I'm getting at. Then you'd have to say ALL cults that start at the foundation of Christianity are Christian, when in fact they are not.
Of course, if we take this further, Catholicism breaks one part of the foundation. The Bible. The fact that their other beliefs are against the bible just pushes them outside Christianity.
Now, the arguement of predestination means nothing to me. It has nothing to do with being a Christian, it's a trivial arguement. I don't discuss things like that.
You began it by calling me ignorant, and again I called you on being young not because you disagreed with me, but because you pulled out the name-calling card so quickly.
If you don't mind letting me know, what is your religious affiliation? And where do you get the idea that Catholics don't follow the New Testement? They have a different interpretation of it than other faiths do, but they certainly do follow the New Testement.
You know, I posted a few reasons earlier in this thread. Did everyone miss it or are people just conveniently ignoring it?
Catholics are not Christians.
I suppose it all depends on your definition of Christian. To me, a Christian is a person who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. As to these teachings, there is no more important aspect of a religion than determining how you are able to be with God in Heaven when you die. Christianity and Catholicism differ on the most important aspect of religion.
Christianity teaches that Jesus died for our sins and man can receive the gift of salvation by accepting Jesus as his/her savior. Jesus himself stated that he alone was the only way to Heaven in John 14:6. So, according to Jesus himself, man receives salvation through faith in Him, not by works.
Catholicism teaches that Jesus gives a "measure" of grace, but there are other actions that have to be performed to get to Heaven. This is where the Catholic sacraments come along. Catholics do not put their faith in Jesus alone for salvation. They believe that if they perform enough sacraments to receive enough grace, they can get into Heaven. This is contrary to what the Bible and Jesus himself taught.
As others have stated, Catholicism has strayed from what the Bible teaches and has become a religion based on rituals. The Bible itself warned early Christians about becoming too ritualized and putting too much importance on ceremony.
The reasons for this distinction are pretty obvious to anybody who has studied religion. If two religions differ regarding the core aspects of those religions, they cannot be the same.
I suppose it all depends on your definition of Christian. To me, a Christian is a person who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. As to these teachings, there is no more important aspect of a religion than determining how you are able to be with God in Heaven when you die. Christianity and Catholicism differ on the most important aspect of religion.
Christianity teaches that Jesus died for our sins and man can receive the gift of salvation by accepting Jesus as his/her savior. Jesus himself stated that he alone was the only way to Heaven in John 14:6. So, according to Jesus himself, man receives salvation through faith in Him, not by works.
Catholicism teaches that Jesus gives a "measure" of grace, but there are other actions that have to be performed to get to Heaven. This is where the Catholic sacraments come along. Catholics do not put their faith in Jesus alone for salvation. They believe that if they perform enough sacraments to receive enough grace, they can get into Heaven. This is contrary to what the Bible and Jesus himself taught.
As others have stated, Catholicism has strayed from what the Bible teaches and has become a religion based on rituals. The Bible itself warned early Christians about becoming too ritualized and putting too much importance on ceremony.
The reasons for this distinction are pretty obvious to anybody who has studied religion. If two religions differ regarding the core aspects of those religions, they cannot be the same.
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