Capital on Lockdown

[Doc Savage Fan]

Fucking cops....killing a defenseless women. I just don't get this kind of mentality or how any sane person can justify it. This is cold-blooded murder imo...their lives were not threatened in any way.

 

[Jaskalas]

Fucking cops....killing a defenseless women. I just don't get this kind of mentality or how any sane person can justify it. This is cold-blooded murder imo...their lives were not threatened in any way.

I don't know if I should be more disgusted at them for killing an unarmed person, or the cretins here who cheer them on.

In case anyone missed the last page:

At some point she stopped and exited the vehicle with cops in pursuit and up to 20 bullets were fired at her while she was on foot.

 

[Gunslinger08]

This appears to be completely inexcusable.

Yeah, assuming those are the facts, this sounds like a misuse of deadly force. However, as usually happens, no one will get in trouble for it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I don't know if I should be more disgusted at them for killing an unarmed person, or the cretins here who cheer them on.

In case anyone missed the last page:

Those cowardly bastards are probably patting themselves on the back for a clean kill. I can't believe that some people actually think this kind of law enforcement behavior is acceptable....they see heroes...but all I see are scum-of-the-earth cowards.

 

[Jaskalas]

We need the people united in opposing what happened so that we can make changes to ensure it does not purposefully or lawfully happen again. LEO aggression has got to be checked and in many cases curbed.

The people I saw in that video are not trained nor professional enough to wield deadly force. They can do better, and for the lives and safety of our people we must ensure that they do.

 

[fskimospy]

We need the people united in opposing what happened so that we can make changes to ensure it does not purposefully or lawfully happen again. LEO aggression has got to be checked and in many cases curbed.

The people I saw in that video are not trained nor professional enough to wield deadly force. They can do better, and for the lives and safety of our people we must ensure that they do.

It is really hard for me to see any justification for shooting that woman. I get how you err on the side of caution when things involve the president, etc, but from everything I've seen so far that is still no justification in this case.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Unless there is video of the shooting itself (I have seen none), I think you're making a huge logical leap by assuming the officers acted wrongfully in shooting her. The video of the initial confrontation, where she essentially attempted to run over a number of armed officers after she was stopped, goes a long way toward convincing me the officers who shot her were were justified, as she represented an obvious threat.

If there is video of the shooting showing she was peacefully cooperating with the officers and they shot her anyway, it might change my mind, but based on what I have seen I very much doubt she was acting in a placid, non-threatening way.

 

[fskimospy]

Unless there is video of the shooting itself (I have seen none), I think you're making a huge logical leap by assuming the officers acted wrongfully in shooting her. The video of the initial confrontation, where she essentially attempted to run over a number of armed officers after she was stopped, goes a long way toward convincing me the officers who shot were were justified, as she represented an obvious threat.

If there is video of the shooting showing she was peacefully cooperating with the officers and they shot her anyway, it might change my mind, but based on what I have seen I very much doubt she was acting in a placid, non-threatening way.

I agree that judging their actions without a video or at least some witnesses saying exactly what happened is not fair, we're all probably taking things a bit too far.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

OH HELL NO!!!!! Evidence or not, the melodrama must ensue, it's the American way.

Now I've got that out of the way I have to a agree with DVC's assessment and until I see information/confirmed evidence from a respective source that the police shot her for no reason then I will change my thoughts on the situation.

 

[boomerang]

We need the people united in opposing what happened so that we can make changes to ensure it does not purposefully or lawfully happen again. LEO aggression has got to be checked and in many cases curbed.

The people I saw in that video are not trained nor professional enough to wield deadly force. They can do better, and for the lives and safety of our people we must ensure that they do.

Well let me stir up some shit although it's all based in truth.

Our nation is on a quest for fairness and equality on a level not seen before. It has become unfair and discriminatory to exclude people from positions in the Police Department because they are unable to pass a written test. Unfair to exclude them because they can't pass a psychological evaluation. So in the name of "fairness" we have allowed people to attain the job without meeting the qualifications for the job.

Now, we have people in the job who under stress are unable to make good decisions. People in the job who overreact. People in the job that have biases that they cannot put aside. I could go on and on with this.

So now we're going to be shocked at the result of this loosening of the qualifications?

Our civilization swirls down the drain and we have neither the guts nor the brains to address it. It would be funny if it wasn't so damned serious.

Wait until this mindset reaches the medical community. It's going to take the anxiety level of brain surgery to a whole other level for the patient.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It sounds as though Miriam Carey was floridly psychotic.

CNN - at http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/04/politics/u-s-capitol-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 - is reporting the following:

Washington (CNN) -- Authorities investigating why a Connecticut woman rammed barricades and led police on a chase near the U.S. Capitol found medications in her apartment to treat schizophrenia and other mental disorders, a law enforcement source briefed on the investigation said Friday.

The woman was identified by law enforcement sources as Miriam Carey, 34. She was shot dead Thursday in the incident, which played out in one of the most heavily policed places in the world, temporarily locked down Congress and sparked anxiety among tourists and staffers alike.

Two law enforcement officers were injured. Police say Carey rammed barricades and police cruisers and sped down Pennsylvania Avenue before crashing.

She apparently did not have a weapon, but did have a 1-year-old child in the car with her. The child emerged from the chaos unharmed, officials said.

Authorities who searched the apartment in Stamford, Connecticut, found one medication to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, and another that is an antidepressant, according to the source.

A law enforcement source involved in the investigation said Thursday that the woman's boyfriend had told police last winter that she appeared to be delusional.

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Carey's boyfriend contacted police in December saying he feared for the safety of their child, who was 4 months old at the time, according to a law enforcement source involved in the investigation. The boyfriend said the woman was acting delusional, claiming the president had placed Stamford under lockdown and that her house was under electronic surveillance, the source said.

He told police that she was suffering from post-partum depression, was having trouble sleeping and was on medication. Carey underwent a mental health evaluation, said the source, who added that the boyfriend has been questioned by federal authorities about Thursday's events.

The source told CNN that Carey left a letter addressed to the boyfriend at her apartment and that it appeared to contain white powder. The letter was being tested for hazardous substances.

* * *

It seems reasonable to infer that this was a suicide mission (fortunately a very poorly planned one) to attack the White House.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

OH HELL NO!!!!! Evidence or not, the melodrama must ensue, it's the American way.

Now I've got that out of the way I have to a agree with DVC's assessment and until I see information/confirmed evidence from a respective source that the police shot her for no reason then I will change my thoughts on the situation.

You're right...the facts should come before reacting. I'm seeing conflicting information now.

 

[Jaskalas]

It seems reasonable to infer that this was a suicide mission (fortunately a very poorly planned one) to attack the White House.

Your statement here "attack the white house" is incredulous.

How was she supposed to do this while unarmed? She had a vehicle. Where was the damage from trying to ram open the gates? Why wasn't she shot on the spot then? Because it wasn't any sort of attack. She did not ram the gates.

What's reasonable is to presume a woman with mental illness made a wrong turn, was frightened by the officer there, turned around in a hurry, was chased down and surrounded. What was caught on camera is that she then drives off - and after clearing the officers they open fire.

In response to being shot at she speeds off and crashes the vehicle. After the vehicle is stopped she's gunned down. Some people are saying she had left the vehicle by that point.

Your conclusion is not reasonable. All I see is a frightened person aggressively pursued and killed. A NON THREAT! The only danger is the one they placed themselves in.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So do you live in DC? If not, were you there on business or as a tourist? Hopefully as an eye witness you provided the police with a detailed description of what happened.

If you weren't there, you should refrain from talking out your ass as it doesn't help the situation at all.

 

[Jaskalas]

It seems reasonable to infer that this was a suicide mission (fortunately a very poorly planned one) to attack the White House.

So do you live in DC? If not, were you there on business or as a tourist? Hopefully as an eye witness you provided the police with a detailed description of what happened.

If you weren't there, you should refrain from talking out your ass as it doesn't help the situation at all.

Which one of us are you speaking to?

If he's going to infer and tell us what happened then so am I. Not going to sit by while such BS about an "attack" is spouted to support gunning down an unarmed woman who was reportedly stopped and on foot by that point.

 

[Subyman]

I hope we continue to get real facts out of this case. I'm surprised no one has a video of the shooting (maybe they do...)

 

[hal2kilo]

Which one of us are you speaking to?

If he's going to infer and tell us what happened then so am I. Not going to sit by while such BS about an "attack" is spouted to support gunning down an unarmed woman who was reportedly stopped and on foot by that point.

From the video that I've seen, she was most definately ramming the perimeter security bollards. Then she appeared to have reckless abambom for the security personnel around her car as she drove off.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

From the video that I've seen, she was most definately ramming the perimeter security bollards. Then she appeared to have reckless abambom for the security personnel around her car as she drove off.

So what's you're point...that this is justification for killing her?

 

[Lithium381]

She looked like Chris Dorner . . .

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-capitol-shooting-1004-20131003,0,7728612.story?track=rss

Video.

 

[werepossum]

Unless there is video of the shooting itself (I have seen none), I think you're making a huge logical leap by assuming the officers acted wrongfully in shooting her. The video of the initial confrontation, where she essentially attempted to run over a number of armed officers after she was stopped, goes a long way toward convincing me the officers who shot her were were justified, as she represented an obvious threat.

If there is video of the shooting showing she was peacefully cooperating with the officers and they shot her anyway, it might change my mind, but based on what I have seen I very much doubt she was acting in a placid, non-threatening way.

This. I don't think we can assume she was on a suicide mission though; she may well have been too befuddled to even think far enough ahead to formulate a plan, especially given that she had her small child along.

Headline News this morning made it sound like she was shot in the car while attempting to ram through a barricade after having struck two officers who were trying to stop her. I can perhaps understand to some point why in this age of suicide bomber vests the cops might shot someone down if they are heading for a populated area, but I'd think that a hot young black woman would get a bit more consideration. That's not exactly a prime terrorist/mass murderer demographic, after all. If she was truly on foot, well, I would hope that with a bazillion cops there a hot young black woman in early fall clothing with no visible weapon would trigger a "tackle" response rather than a "shoot dead" response. Maybe I'm wrong, but I cannot remember a single suicide attack in this country by a young black woman. Ergo, I would think the possibility of her exploding would be quite low. Either way it's a damned shame that this young mother is dead.

 

[Subyman]

From the video that I've seen, she was most definately ramming the perimeter security bollards. Then she appeared to have reckless abambom for the security personnel around her car as she drove off.

That is not when she was shot. They shot her when she was defenseless with the car completely disabled. Some reported they shot her as she was on-foot. Deadly police force is not required unless officers are in a life-or-death situation. Again, she was not shot until her car was disabled.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yet no one in here has any clue whether or not she made a threatening move or gesture prior to the shots being fired. If she wanted to commit suicide she could have acted like she had a weapon and was going to use it. Most police aren't going to wait to see if the person has a weapon before discharging their weapon.

 

[Subyman]

Yet no one in here has any clue whether or not she made a threatening move or gesture prior to the shots being fired. If she wanted to commit suicide she could have acted like she had a weapon and was going to use it. Most police aren't going to wait to see if the person has a weapon before discharging their weapon.

That's just it. We don't know. The media is now painting her as a suicidal psycho. For all we know, she made a wrong turn and panicked. What we do know is that she was unarmed, had an infant in the car, and was gunned down by police. Until we know all the specifics, its a tragedy. I'm surprised so many people are eager to paint a new mother as deserving death-by-cop without more information.

My sticking point isn't with the initial video. I think the cops had a right to incapacitate the car when she tried to drive off (I don't think its very proper to dump into the streets though.) The unknown is why they shot her to bits after the car was disabled. Strangely, that portion of the story is not clear at all.

 

[bshole]

Most police aren't going to wait to see if the person has a weapon before discharging their weapon.

Um we all know that!!! It appears that the only reason cops won't discharge their weapon is if they decide to beat the victim to death instead.