Can we quit giving Notre Dame a free pass to the BCS now?

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I guess it's ND's fault for having an 10-2 year and earning the right to draw the college football elite in their bowl games.

Maybe next year, they could throw a few games and go 7-5, so they can finally get a bowl win against Bowling Green. :roll:

maybe thats becasue they play in a Crappy easy conference as an independant..
put them in a real conference give them a real schedule and lets see if they can compete..
hell I say put them in the BIG 12 so Texas and OU can beat the stuffing out of them every year.

They don't play in a conference. They cherrypick the easiest opponents for most of the year, then fold like a lawnchair in their bigger games.

Don't even go there. There are many things you can say about ND, but don't you dare say they cherry pick easy opponents. They play the USC's, the Michigan's, the Ohio State's, the Tennessee's of the college football landscape. They don't back down playing elite competition. Ok, so they might schedule Army and Air Force and a few crappy schools, but hey, so does everybody else. Michigan played Ball State and Northwestern. Ohio State played NIU. Florida played Western Carolina and Central Florida.

The bottom line is that people are criticizing ND for picking easy schools to play against. People don't seem to know that they PICK TWELVE games to play each year. Everybody else PICKS FOUR because everybody else is in a conference. You'll be lucky that the elite teams pick one good team and/or one road game out of those four OOC games. And everybody's jumping on ND for soft scheduling?

And don't forget that the Army and Air Force games go back to when those schools actually had good teams.

So does the Navy game but ND has beaten Navy for something like 40 straight years.

The majority of their games are pushovers....hell, don't they win the CinC cup every year. I stand by my statement that they play mostly pushovers and then take it up the pipe like a cheap hooker in their bigger games.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I called Notre Dame overrated at the beginning of this year.. But then again, I call everyone that's not in the SEC overrated.

yeah... because 5-4 bowl record is so dominant...

get a clue... the SEC isnt the only powerhouse conference in D1 football.

5-4 record? Florida is not on the field until next week. Don't be so cocky, look at BSU vs. OU.

SEC is a good conference. LSU won in 2003, Auburn should have won in 2004 <same record as USC but no co-champs...where are all the USC fanbois>.

BTW, chuckywang, you were no where to be found in the second half at the official Sugar Bowl thread..lol.

 

[shuttleboi]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I called Notre Dame overrated at the beginning of this year.. But then again, I call everyone that's not in the SEC overrated.

I call anyone from the southeastern states "hillbillies" and "inbred rednecks," so we are even.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Svnla

BTW, chuckywang, you were no where to be found in the second half at the official Sugar Bowl thread..lol.

That game was over....I turned my attention to this thread.

 

[alexjohnson16]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Svnla

BTW, chuckywang, you were no where to be found in the second half at the official Sugar Bowl thread..lol.

That game was over....I turned my attention to this thread.

You seem reasonable. Can you still not see why ND is relatively undeserving to go to the BCS?

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
But they're Irish

And they have the most stereotypical and racist mascot by definition. But they don't have to change it...only the native american ones do.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Haha, they should just create a bowl named the "Overrated Bowl" and stick UND in it every year no matter what.

Brady Quinn will be the mascot. I've never seen a more overrated quarterback in my life. GL in the CFL, punk!

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I guess it's ND's fault for having an 10-2 year and earning the right to draw the college football elite in their bowl games.

Maybe next year, they could throw a few games and go 7-5, so they can finally get a bowl win against Bowling Green. :roll:

maybe thats becasue they play in a Crappy easy conference as an independant..
put them in a real conference give them a real schedule and lets see if they can compete..
hell I say put them in the BIG 12 so Texas and OU can beat the stuffing out of them every year.

They don't play in a conference. They cherrypick the easiest opponents for most of the year, then fold like a lawnchair in their bigger games.

Don't even go there. There are many things you can say about ND, but don't you dare say they cherry pick easy opponents. They play the USC's, the Michigan's, the Ohio State's, the Tennessee's of the college football landscape. They don't back down playing elite competition. Ok, so they might schedule Army and Air Force and a few crappy schools, but hey, so does everybody else. Michigan played Ball State and Northwestern. Ohio State played NIU. Florida played Western Carolina and Central Florida.

The bottom line is that people are criticizing ND for picking easy schools to play against. People don't seem to know that they PICK TWELVE games to play each year. Everybody else PICKS FOUR because everybody else is in a conference. You'll be lucky that the elite teams pick one good team and/or one road game out of those four OOC games. And everybody's jumping on ND for soft scheduling?

Did you read the part of his post that said most of the teams they play are easy? And then the few good teams destroy them. ND played all the service acadadmies.

Most of the teams they play are easy? They had 12 teams on their schedule. 7 of them played in a bowl game.

I think about half of Division 1 teams play in bowl games.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Feldenak
They don't play in a conference. They cherrypick the easiest opponents for most of the year, then fold like a lawnchair in their bigger games.

Don't even go there. There are many things you can say about ND, but don't you dare say they cherry pick easy opponents. They play the USC's, the Michigan's, the Ohio State's, the Tennessee's of the college football landscape. They don't back down playing elite competition. Ok, so they might schedule Army and Air Force and a few crappy schools, but hey, so does everybody else. Michigan played Ball State and Northwestern. Ohio State played NIU. Florida played Western Carolina and Central Florida.

The bottom line is that people are criticizing ND for picking easy schools to play against. People don't seem to know that they PICK TWELVE games to play each year. Everybody else PICKS FOUR because everybody else is in a conference. You'll be lucky that the elite teams pick one good team and/or one road game out of those four OOC games. And everybody's jumping on ND for soft scheduling?

ND's overall schedule was a good as anyone's this year. However, Feldenak is completely accurate in saying that the only teams that ND beat were all relatively easy opponents.

So congrats to ND for scheduling some big-time games, but getting blown out by the three best BCS-, non-conference teams that you play is the very definition of a mid-major football program.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Haha, they should just create a bowl named the "Overrated Bowl" and stick UND in it every year no matter what.

Brady Quinn will be the mascot. I've never seen a more overrated quarterback in my life. GL in the CFL, punk!

Yeah, he only holds 36 distinct passing records at one of the oldest, most successful Football schools in the country. CFL in your dreams, moron. :roll:

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Haha, they should just create a bowl named the "Overrated Bowl" and stick UND in it every year no matter what.

Brady Quinn will be the mascot. I've never seen a more overrated quarterback in my life. GL in the CFL, punk!

Yeah, he only holds 36 distinct passing records at one of the oldest, most successful Football schools in the country. CFL in your dreams, moron. :roll:

records are nice, but if he cant perform well when his team truly needs him to, they are no good

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Did you read the part of his post that said most of the teams they play are easy? And then the few good teams destroy them. ND played all the service acadadmies.

Most of the teams they play are easy? They had 12 teams on their schedule. 7 of them played in a bowl game.

I think about half of Division 1 teams play in bowl games.

Yes, people's basic math skills seem to be lacking. Either that, or they aren't thinking about their posts before posting.

32 bowl games = 64 teams playing. 119 teams total. 64/119 = 53.7% play bowl games.

I didn't count but I'll take the numbers above and say ND played 7 bowl bound teams and 12 total. 7/12 = 58.3%.

53.7% vs 58.3%. That is as close to equal as you could get in this situation. Thus, the 7/12 stat that was posted simply implys ND played an average schedule. Right near the middle of the 119 team pack.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Yeah, he only holds 36 distinct passing records at one of the oldest, most successful Football schools in the country. CFL in your dreams, moron. :roll:

records are nice, but if he cant perform well when his team truly needs him to, they are no good

Look at Nebraska's record making quarterback, Eric Crouch. After failing out of multiple NFL teams, and even failing in Europe, he is now in the CFL.

Records are meaningless and have nothing to do with skill. The only meaning that records have is that a coach set up a game plan around you.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Did you read the part of his post that said most of the teams they play are easy? And then the few good teams destroy them. ND played all the service acadadmies.

Most of the teams they play are easy? They had 12 teams on their schedule. 7 of them played in a bowl game.

I think about half of Division 1 teams play in bowl games.

Yes, people's basic math skills seem to be lacking. Either that, or they aren't thinking about their posts before posting.

32 bowl games = 64 teams playing. 119 teams total. 64/119 = 53.7% play bowl games.

I didn't count but I'll take the numbers above and say ND played 7 bowl bound teams and 12 total. 7/12 = 58.3%.

53.7% vs 58.3%. That is as close to equal as you could get in this situation. Thus, the 7/12 stat that was posted simply implys ND played an average schedule. Right near the middle of the 119 team pack.

Why would I need basic math skills when comparing 58% to 54%? The point is that just because a team goes to a bowl does not mean they don't suck. My college went to a bowl because the Big 10 could not fill their bowl spot. You know what? My college team freaking sucks and would not have been in a bowl if they were not in the Sun Belt playing a bunch of other crappy teams.

 

[Fern]

Can we quit giving Notre Dame a free pass to the BCS now?

Why? It's too much fun watching them get stomped every year

Fern

 

[jammur21]

IF ND has any balls, they'll schedule Boise State next year.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I called Notre Dame overrated at the beginning of this year.. But then again, I call everyone that's not in the SEC overrated.

I call anyone from the southeastern states "hillbillies" and "inbred rednecks," so we are even.

Look at all the talent from the southeast (SEC & ACC in football & basketball)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/BCS_Map.PNG

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I guess it's ND's fault for having an 10-2 year and earning the right to draw the college football elite in their bowl games.

Maybe next year, they could throw a few games and go 7-5, so they can finally get a bowl win against Bowling Green. :roll:

maybe thats becasue they play in a Crappy easy conference as an independant..
put them in a real conference give them a real schedule and lets see if they can compete..
hell I say put them in the BIG 12 so Texas and OU can beat the stuffing out of them every year.

They don't play in a conference. They cherrypick the easiest opponents for most of the year, then fold like a lawnchair in their bigger games.

Don't even go there. There are many things you can say about ND, but don't you dare say they cherry pick easy opponents. They play the USC's, the Michigan's, the Ohio State's, the Tennessee's of the college football landscape. They don't back down playing elite competition. Ok, so they might schedule Army and Air Force and a few crappy schools, but hey, so does everybody else. Michigan played Ball State and Northwestern. Ohio State played NIU. Florida played Western Carolina and Central Florida.

The bottom line is that people are criticizing ND for picking easy schools to play against. People don't seem to know that they PICK TWELVE games to play each year. Everybody else PICKS FOUR because everybody else is in a conference. You'll be lucky that the elite teams pick one good team and/or one road game out of those four OOC games. And everybody's jumping on ND for soft scheduling?

And don't forget that the Army and Air Force games go back to when those schools actually had good teams.

So does the Navy game but ND has beaten Navy for something like 40 straight years.

The majority of their games are pushovers....hell, don't they win the CinC cup every year. I stand by my statement that they play mostly pushovers and then take it up the pipe like a cheap hooker in their bigger games.

I love how people look at just the most recent ONE season and make general blanket statements like "ND always chokes against the good teams". It shows how lame some of the haters really are, completely ignoring the fact that just the previous year they beat Michigan and only lost to USC because of an illegal play. Really guys, at least TRY and make convincing arguments. LOL

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how people look at just the most recent ONE season and make general blanket statements like "ND always chokes against the good teams". It shows how lame some of the haters really are, completely ignoring the fact that just the previous year they beat Michigan and only lost to USC because of an illegal play. Really guys, at least TRY and make convincing arguments. LOL

Michigan was mediocre and unranked last season, just like all of ND's wins under Charlie Weis. As to the USC game last year, I do believe that one still counted as an "L" in the record books.

Notre Dame hasn't beaten anyone of consequence since they beat Tennessee in 2004, and that hardly makes them elite, because ND still ended the year 6-6.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how people look at just the most recent ONE season and make general blanket statements like "ND always chokes against the good teams". It shows how lame some of the haters really are, completely ignoring the fact that just the previous year they beat Michigan and only lost to USC because of an illegal play. Really guys, at least TRY and make convincing arguments. LOL

Michigan was mediocre and unranked last season, just like all of ND's wins under Charlie Weis. As to the USC game last year, I do believe that one still counted as an "L" in the record books.

Notre Dame hasn't beaten anyone of consequence since they beat Tennessee in 2004, and that hardly makes them elite, because ND still ended the year 6-6.

Uh, Michigan was ranked 3rd or 4th in the country at the time ND beat them in 05, and they ended the season at something like in the high teens. Far from being "unranked" :roll:

And yes, the USC game counts as an L - duh. It was said that ND chokes during big games. Losing to the #1 team in the country by a few points on an illegal play is hardly choking.

Anything else stupid to say? Everyone will agree that the BCS favors ND and should be changed - it's right there in black and white. And most will agree that ND has been overrated in recent years, but people are just making stuff up in order to bash a college football team and that's just lame and sad.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Uh, Michigan was ranked 3rd or 4th in the country at the time ND beat them in 05, and they ended the season at something like in the high teens. Far from being "unranked" :roll:

Take a look at the Final 2005 Poll. I don't know what you see, but I see Michigan unranked in the "Others Receiving Votes" category.

And yes, the USC game counts as an L - duh. It was said that ND chokes during big games. Losing to the #1 team in the country by a few points on an illegal play is hardly choking.

Anything else stupid to say? Everyone will agree that the BCS favors ND and should be changed - it's right there in black and white. And most will agree that ND has been overrated in recent years, but people are just making stuff up in order to bash a college football team and that's just lame and sad.

The only people making things up in this thread are the ND sympathizers. It's time to get your facts straight and meet reality.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5
Take a look at the Final 2005 Poll. I don't know what you see, but I see Michigan unranked in the "Others Receiving Votes" category.

But hey, they were right behind perennial powerhouse Tulsa and even with the very difficult Toledo!

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: DougK62
Uh, Michigan was ranked 3rd or 4th in the country at the time ND beat them in 05, and they ended the season at something like in the high teens. Far from being "unranked" :roll:

Take a look at the Final 2005 Poll. I don't know what you see, but I see Michigan unranked in the "Others Receiving Votes" category.

And yes, the USC game counts as an L - duh. It was said that ND chokes during big games. Losing to the #1 team in the country by a few points on an illegal play is hardly choking.

Anything else stupid to say? Everyone will agree that the BCS favors ND and should be changed - it's right there in black and white. And most will agree that ND has been overrated in recent years, but people are just making stuff up in order to bash a college football team and that's just lame and sad.

The only people making things up in this thread are the ND sympathizers. It's time to get your facts straight and meet reality.

Are you blind? Right in your own link it shows Michigan is #20 in the BCS. That's the poll that counts, remember? And Michigan was #3 when ND beat them here.

Not that any of that matters to you - I'm sure you'll just continue to ignore the facts.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: DougK62
Uh, Michigan was ranked 3rd or 4th in the country at the time ND beat them in 05, and they ended the season at something like in the high teens. Far from being "unranked" :roll:

Take a look at the Final 2005 Poll. I don't know what you see, but I see Michigan unranked in the "Others Receiving Votes" category.

And yes, the USC game counts as an L - duh. It was said that ND chokes during big games. Losing to the #1 team in the country by a few points on an illegal play is hardly choking.

Anything else stupid to say? Everyone will agree that the BCS favors ND and should be changed - it's right there in black and white. And most will agree that ND has been overrated in recent years, but people are just making stuff up in order to bash a college football team and that's just lame and sad.

The only people making things up in this thread are the ND sympathizers. It's time to get your facts straight and meet reality.

Are you blind? Right in your own link it shows Michigan is #20 in the BCS. That's the poll that counts, remember? And Michigan was #3 when ND beat them here.

Not that any of that matters to you - I'm sure you'll just continue to ignore the facts.

The final BCS standings are released before the bowl games are played -- which Michigan lost last year. Therefore, the BCS standings are as irrelevant as the preseason polls are when you're trying to evaluate a team's full season.

Serisously, man are new to CFB or what? I'm not one to call others names but based on your attitude and total lack of knowledge I am sorely tempted to.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Svnla

BTW, chuckywang, you were no where to be found in the second half at the official Sugar Bowl thread..lol.

That game was over....I turned my attention to this thread.

You seem reasonable. Can you still not see why ND is relatively undeserving to go to the BCS?

The rule is that only two teams from any conference can make a BCS bowl. Given that rule (the soundness of that rule is a whole other discussion), what other teams would be more deserving? The Big Ten and the SEC already have two teams in BCS bowl games, so any other teams from those conferences are automatically out. You're left with the second best team in the ACC, Pac 10, Big 12, and the Big East.

That means you're left with Boston College, California, Texas, and West Virginia. Do you really think any of those teams deserve a shot over ND?