But there's no reasoning with the elderly on...

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Do you really not realize that the money going into the general fund means it's spent on whatever ill or issue people of that day have? The gov't is charged with doing very few things - much of what our Federal gov't funds today falls WAY outside the realm of what is set forth by the Constitution.

CsG

And none of this happen while you've been able to vote?

Ofcourse it has been happening while I've been able to vote. Thus I am voicing my dismay with the current system(with my vote and my voice). The system needs changed - not just more money thrown at it. Ofcourse some people like the status quo - but I am working for change.

What5 makes you any different than those of the older Generations who feel that a change is needed? I thinkl most do but those who oppose it don't believe that the Dub's solution will work or they don't have confidence in the Dub and his people to do it right.

I think it's good that this is up for debate but I think that it will take more than the upcoming 3 years the Dub has left to come up with the right solution. The only reason I can see for him to be pushing it so hard is so he will have that as a part of his legacy. Why not set a time table on it like 6 years and make it a priority issue in all upcoming elections?

I don't necessarily like all of Bush's "plan" either -but it's a start and a step in the right direction. Otherwise we should dismantle the whole thing and start over with a means tested old age pension program which would be separate from the other things SS currently envelopes(death payments and such)

But yes, getting it out there is good. I don't really expect something to be done any time soon though, since the people we elected are scared of the old people and AARP. Last time I checked - they were supposed to do what is right and good for Americans - not just the old people and AARP.
*shrug* maybe I'm just old fashioned - but I believe that our elected officials should have the whole at heart - not just their next election interests... *cough* MEcain *cough*

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, right. You have your own GREEDY interests. When I have someone REASONABLE to discuss this with, I'll sit down and discuss it. Until then I would reccomend that anyone reading this who is 50 or older join AARP and donate a little extra to help force the "radical right" to the bargining table.

Your dismissed.

And just what are my "greedy interests"? To have the Federal gov't spend people's money as directed by the Constitution? Damn I'm greedy:roll:

Yeah, it figures you won't discuss it with me or others - just look at the title. It's quite clear that reason is lost with the elderly regarding this issue - they just can't accept/admit that the money was snatched right out from under their nose because they were blinded by all the "good" it was doing being spent.

CsG

Imagine, 30% of the money now going into SS trust fund being diverted to the stock market. Wow, what a boon for someone with a lot of money in stocks that would be. I guess your looking to retire early, huh. Greedy ass, you really think us old fogies are that stupid? :laugh:

30%? WTF did you get that? BTW - you old people hold the stocks So yeah, it sounds like you are stupid if you don't realize you won't get screwed.

CsG

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, right. You have your own GREEDY interests. When I have someone REASONABLE to discuss this with, I'll sit down and discuss it. Until then I would reccomend that anyone reading this who is 50 or older join AARP and donate a little extra to help force the "radical right" to the bargining table.

Your dismissed.

And just what are my "greedy interests"? To have the Federal gov't spend people's money as directed by the Constitution? Damn I'm greedy:roll:

Yeah, it figures you won't discuss it with me or others - just look at the title. It's quite clear that reason is lost with the elderly regarding this issue - they just can't accept/admit that the money was snatched right out from under their nose because they were blinded by all the "good" it was doing being spent.

CsG

Imagine, 30% of the money now going into SS trust fund being diverted to the stock market. Wow, what a boon for someone with a lot of money in stocks that would be. I guess your looking to retire early, huh. Greedy ass, you really think us old fogies are that stupid? :laugh:

30%? WTF did you get that? BTW - you old people hold the stocks So yeah, it sounds like you are stupid if you don't realize you won't get screwed.

CsG

Your premise assumes that all old people made enough money to be able to invest in the stock market. Some did, some didn't. Some of thoise who did, did good, but some didn't do so good either. One things for sure, they never had the advantage of being able to sock their money away in tax free IRA's, etc.

I have my money invested in "real" things that will keep up with the rate of inflation. I've always invested what little I could afford in land. Hey, I'm a farmer. What else would I do with it?

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Wow, once again you all make up the craziest sh1t, when have you people been right about anything?

old folks are hopping pissed and are already suffering. raygun was total slime who scammed and ran up debt like crazy. What were you doing in the 80's? coke I assume if you forget what happened so easy.

CaD, are you a spambot? I don't think anyone can be so consistiantly found full of sh1t and still put his fingers to the keyboard

with any form of self-respect. You are wrong about every damn thing you have posted in this forum.

I hope your grandparents slap the sh1t out of you. Spoiled gulliable fools.

You were wrong about the war and the wmd you ppl swore we'd find even in this forum.

Wrong about the iraqis throwing themselves at our mercy.

Wrong about the economy.

Wrong about uniting america.

Wrong about moving america forward.

Wrong about education.

Wrong about religion and our government.

Why should anyone trust you people?

What does this have to do with social security?

Our grandparents are dead or are already getting SS payments. I fail to see how SS reform is any of their business.

WMDs were not found, but I have a hunch that that was not the reason we went to Iraq.

Bush has adopted a Keynesian economic policy. Now that we are no longer in a recession, we should start seeing surplusses again. That is how the buffer mechanisms work.

Bush has promoted a major positive policy with public education. The NCLB act will help our schools have a uniformity in curriculum. It is necessary for a democracy to have an educated populace, and Bush has taken the lead on insuring that we keep moving in the right direction.

EDIT: nevermind, I just realised that your post was flame.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: robertcloud
EDIT: nevermind, I just realised that your post was flame.

What can I say - he likes to go all out when he rants against me.

CsG

 

[Steeplerot]

Your granparents may be dead but mine are not, and they already are suffering with medicaid cuts.

Bush has not helped the economy for sh1t but more debt, and children are far less knowledgeable.

Another lost person, do yourself a favor and save the lies.

Noone believes you people anymore.

Except for the ones willing to put their heads so far up their ass they would post drivel like that.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your granparents may be dead but mine are not, and they already are suffering with medicaid cuts.

So buy 'em some $#%@ pills. If you don't care enough to take care of them, why should I?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your granparents may be dead but mine are not, and they already are suffering with medicaid cuts.

So buy 'em some $#%@ pills. If you don't care enough to take care of them, why should I?

Another example of "reasonable"???

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your granparents may be dead but mine are not, and they already are suffering with medicaid cuts.

So buy 'em some $#%@ pills. If you don't care enough to take care of them, why should I?

Bingo. The reason for "why" to him is that he's greedy and wants to take from everyone else instead helping his own family.

CsG

 

[Steeplerot]

My family is taken care of by us, wonder why yours is dead then...hmmmm

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your granparents may be dead but mine are not, and they already are suffering with medicaid cuts.

So buy 'em some $#%@ pills. If you don't care enough to take care of them, why should I?

Another example of "reasonable"???

How on earth have people survived for thousands of years!? That's right - they relied on their family. Families used to live together and having 3 generations in a household was normal. Ofcourse the greedy want everyone else to take care of their old instead of doing it themselves.

CsG

 

[robertcloud]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your granparents may be dead but mine are not, and they already are suffering with medicaid cuts.

Bush has not helped the economy for sh1t but more debt, and children are far less knowledgeable.

Another lost person, do yourself a favor and save the lies.

Noone believes you people anymore.

Except for the ones willing to put their heads so far up their ass they would post drivel like that.

You do know that the elderly are the wealthiest demographic don't you?

It isn't Bush's fault that the economy was in a recession for most of his first term. It isn't his fault that defense and homeland security spending had to be increased.

Children are far less knowledgeable? This is because of George Bush being in office? Please say you aren't speaking in earnest.

By the way, the average SAT score continues to increase, and Bush's NCLB act is a major positive step.

Our secondary schools may be sub-par now in the world when compared to socialist Europe, but they are improving. And our post-secondary system is the best in the world, and every child has the chance to take part in it.

 

[Steeplerot]

The elderly deserve our respect, but then the elderly know better then the bs you are trying to feed us, out of sight out of mind eh?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, right. You have your own GREEDY interests. When I have someone REASONABLE to discuss this with, I'll sit down and discuss it. Until then I would reccomend that anyone reading this who is 50 or older join AARP and donate a little extra to help force the "radical right" to the bargining table.

Your dismissed.

You want greedy? How's this:
The first recipient of Social Security, Ida Mae Fuller, would surely have scoffed at arguments in favor of "privatization." She was a legal secretary from Vermont who retired in 1939 and began collecting benefits in January 1940 at age 65. She worked under the Social Security program for three years and paid of total of $24.75 in taxes during that time. Her monthly checks were $22.54 (there were no COLAs until 1975). She died in 1975 at the age of 100 and collected a total of $22,888.92 in benefits during her retirement years.

AARP state chapter site

You people paid in pennies on the dollar and claim you're only taking what 'you paid in'. Please. No wonder you don't want change - you want to finish emptying the piggy bank before anyone can stop you. And you call me greedy.

 

[Steeplerot]

Downright sick is what these people are. How can you disrespect and toss out our elders.

Family values my ass, more hypocricy and lies.

Too bad they can not starve their own before they can breed.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
My family is taken care of by us, wonder why yours is dead then...hmmmm

Then why are you complaining?
And :thumbsup: for having the human decency to take care of your family.

 

[Steeplerot]

We have no choice anymore what else could we do?

Oh yeah, let them rot on the streetcorner so you people can spit on them for being dirty homeless.

I hope you wake up soon, you bring great shame to this country and the civilised world.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Downright sick is what these people are. How can you disrespect and toss out our elders.

Family values my ass, more hypocricy and lies.

Too bad they can not starve their own before they can breed.

I'm not the one advocating stealing from others because I won't take care of my family. Infact I do and will take care of my family -but I'll be damned if I expect everyone else to do what I and my family should be doing.

CsG

 

[Steeplerot]

It's not stealing, it is showing respect and moving up from third world status.

We all will have familys to take care of at some point, why not we all do it ahead of time and give them independence in their later years...

Oh yeah, becasue you think hyping bush's agenda makes "sense" for your pocketbook right now.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It's not stealing, it is showing respect and moving up from third world status.

Stealing from the working class to pay for what you and your family should be providing is "respect"? :roll:

CsG

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your granparents may be dead but mine are not, and they already are suffering with medicaid cuts.

So buy 'em some $#%@ pills. If you don't care enough to take care of them, why should I?

Another example of "reasonable"???

How on earth have people survived for thousands of years!? That's right - they relied on their family. Families used to live together and having 3 generations in a household was normal. Ofcourse the greedy want everyone else to take care of their old instead of doing it themselves.

CsG

Exactly. My extended family in the Philippines is not rich by any means, but they basically operate on family-scale communism; everything is shared, and when an individual has a crisis event, everyone pitches in as best they can, as it should be. They've managed to survive and even thrive for years, with little to no gov't support. Sure, people share homes, etc., and it's cramped at times, but everyone understands that family matters most.

 

[Steeplerot]

who stole from you? noone, you worked the job and paid the taxes, you knew the laws, if you felt you were being stolen from so much to care for our elderly then you could have worked under the table.

Your choice, not anyone elses. too bad. move to rwanda if you don't like taking care of the

elderly and doing the decent thing in a non-third world country. Noone is keeping you here to act like miserly pricks. pissing all over our old folks.

see ya! sure wouldn't want to be related to ya! /end republican logic

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
Exactly. My extended family in the Philippines is not rich by any means, but they basically operate on family-scale communism; everything is shared, and when an individual has a crisis event, everyone pitches in as best they can, as it should be. They've managed to survive and even thrive for years, with little to no gov't support. Sure, people share homes, etc., and it's cramped at times, but everyone understands that family matters most.

That may have to start happening here. Either that or 100-year mortgages like they have in Japan.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mursilis
Exactly. My extended family in the Philippines is not rich by any means, but they basically operate on family-scale communism; everything is shared, and when an individual has a crisis event, everyone pitches in as best they can, as it should be. They've managed to survive and even thrive for years, with little to no gov't support. Sure, people share homes, etc., and it's cramped at times, but everyone understands that family matters most.

That may have to start happening here. Either that or 100-year mortgages like they have in Japan.

It is happening here; I'm currently attempting to persuade my mother to move into our place, and when my cousin had a home built recently, she specifically added a ground-level bedroom for her parents. A nursing home should be a last, last resort. The family focus of the Asian American community is yet another reason why Asians continue to do better here than other groups economically. All work together, and all prosper.

 

[Steeplerot]

Sounds great and all but in reality this does not always work, and it is not some third world asian country.

We take care of our own regardless if the family is wealthy.

But then coming from your perspective the poor are better off dead I bet.

Oh well 2 steps forward for humanity......enter bushco 10 steps back.