But there's no reasoning with the elderly on...

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Raided the bank toi pay for our every ill? Please cite some examples where SS funds were used inappropriately to pay for our ills where it didn't benefit you.

Yes, the "unused" SS money went into the general fund and was used by the federal gov't to fund programs - there is no denying that FACT.

Reality lost on you today red?

CsG

No but your smart ass attitude is though. Try to be more specific without being an ass please.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!

I'm not asking for my money back - you old people are - except you've forgotten that you've already spent it on yourselves. I know I won't recieve a dime back of anything I've paid in(nor do I want it) so I'm not the greedy one here.

CsG

I'd really like to see some hard facts about how we spent it on ourselves. Really.

Where the hell do you get this stuff?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Raided the bank toi pay for our every ill? Please cite some examples where SS funds were used inappropriately to pay for our ills where it didn't benefit you.

Yes, the "unused" SS money went into the general fund and was used by the federal gov't to fund programs - there is no denying that FACT.

Reality lost on you today red?

CsG

No but your smart ass attitude is though. Try to be more specific without being an ass please.

Awww...

& <- Smallest Anandtech violin playing for you...


CsG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Raided the bank toi pay for our every ill? Please cite some examples where SS funds were used inappropriately to pay for our ills where it didn't benefit you.

Yes, the "unused" SS money went into the general fund and was used by the federal gov't to fund programs - there is no denying that FACT.

Reality lost on you today red?

CsG

No but your smart ass attitude is though. Try to be more specific without being an ass please.

Awww...

& <- Smallest Anandtech violin playing for you...


CsG

How about answering my question like you would do if we were talking in person? I'm sure you wouldn't be such an arrogant SOB to anybody in person if they asked you a question that wasn't inflammatory unless your parents did a poor job at raising you. I'll give your parents the benefit of the doubt that they didn't raise such a rude person.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Mursilis


There were no facts for me to ignore. But nice try 'debating' anyway.

The only one debating here is you with yourself. I can't convince you of anything and don't really care what you believe. You have your interests and I have mine. I think I'll just join the AARP and send them a couple of hundred bucks. They do the fighting for me.

70 million votes. Not counting the old farts already collecting our benefits.

These kids better figure out maintaining Social Security is their only viable option. And they'd better figure it out really quick. Or their buddy Georgie is going to rob them blind just like his brother did in the Savings and Loan debacle.

The Bush family emptied the banks. Now they want to burn all those Social Security notes and run off with that money too.

WTFU kids.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!

I'm not asking for my money back - you old people are - except you've forgotten that you've already spent it on yourselves. I know I won't recieve a dime back of anything I've paid in(nor do I want it) so I'm not the greedy one here.

CsG

I'd really like to see some hard facts about how we spent it on ourselves. Really.

Where the hell do you get this stuff?

Well lets see. The money was spent while you people were voting - not me. YOU allowed the gov't to spend what was supposedly promised to you as old age welfare. So yes, don't come in here and blame me when I had ZERO say in how the money was spent - not so much as a vote. YOU did. You had a vote. You had the opportunities to make a big deal about the gov't spending the money - yet you didn't. You lapped it up and enjoyed the money being spend on and by you.

CsG

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!

I'm not asking for my money back - you old people are - except you've forgotten that you've already spent it on yourselves. I know I won't recieve a dime back of anything I've paid in(nor do I want it) so I'm not the greedy one here.

CsG

I've just paid into SS since I was 12. Another example of how "reasonable" you are?? If you don't expect to get your greedy little hands on some of it then why are you arguing about it?

 

[Zebo]

The main problem with any sort of privatization scheme is it will fail to catch over 50% of the population on SS. So we'd be right back to where we started (unless you really believe we are going to let mentally retared and blind and destitute rot in the gutter) but this time in 2trillion or more debt. We'll get another SS program and the debt.

Iwinconcur- when you vest on speculation, not value, you only have one way to go but down. SS funds in market, like retirement annuities, are pure speculation.

The stock market today is bascially a carbon copy of what ponzi did. Selling a worthless security to a group of investors, with the promise of great returns if they promote the security to more investors and so on, forever... problem is these stocks don't pay out dividens anymore at even savings account rates and all the gains rely on just what ponzi encouraged his investors to do, promote the security to more foolish investors to jack up the price.. That's what vesting SS funds is all about. A huge influx of new sucker funds into the now-stagnet, ready to buy a clue, market. People buy stock today not to derive an income from the stock's dividends but they buy stock to speculate with it. By definition a ponzi.

10 years down? that's easy 1965-1980, 1920-1935, 1999-???

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!

I'm not asking for my money back - you old people are - except you've forgotten that you've already spent it on yourselves. I know I won't recieve a dime back of anything I've paid in(nor do I want it) so I'm not the greedy one here.

CsG

I've just paid into since I was 12. Another example of how "reasonable" you are?? If you don't expect to get your greedy little hands on some of it then why are you arguing about it?

Because "csg" is FOS.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

If it was fixed then why do we need to return to it?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Raided the bank toi pay for our every ill? Please cite some examples where SS funds were used inappropriately to pay for our ills where it didn't benefit you.

Yes, the "unused" SS money went into the general fund and was used by the federal gov't to fund programs - there is no denying that FACT.

Reality lost on you today red?

CsG

No but your smart ass attitude is though. Try to be more specific without being an ass please.

Awww...

& <- Smallest Anandtech violin playing for you...


CsG

How about answering my question like you would do if we were talking in person? I'm sure you wouldn't be such an arrogant SOB to anybody in person if they asked you a question that wasn't immflamatory unless your parents did a poor job at raising you.

Actually I would respond to YOU that way due to our prior engagements and your attitude. (ofcourse you'd try to use your size to intimidate me -but I'm not scared of your types )

Do you really not realize that the money going into the general fund means it's spent on whatever ill or issue people of that day have? The gov't is charged with doing very few things - much of what our Federal gov't funds today falls WAY outside the realm of what is set forth by the Constitution.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!

I'm not asking for my money back - you old people are - except you've forgotten that you've already spent it on yourselves. I know I won't recieve a dime back of anything I've paid in(nor do I want it) so I'm not the greedy one here.

CsG

I've just paid into SS since I was 12. Another example of how "reasonable" you are?? If you don't expect to get your greedy little hands on some of it then why are you arguing about it?

I also have paid in since I was young(14 - legal age to start working) - and?
My hands aren't greedy - yours are. You want the young to pay for you. You think everyone else should pay for you - yet you want to call me greedy? :laugh:
I want to stop the theft of money(time value) from the working class - that's why I'm engaged in the debate.

CsG

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Genx87


If it was fixed then why do we need to return to it?

Return to it? Didn't you read anything yet?

Because certain budget busting presidents put pieces of paper in place of the Social Security surplus. And now it's time to pay up. But you kids don't want to pay up. But you insist on supporting a president who emptied the treasury in an irresponsible tax cut that went in great part to his contributors and friends. His supporters. In his own words, "The haves, and the have mores."

Really funny huh?

Now he wants to destroy the system so the money NEVER need be paid back.

Are you getting this? Or are you going to ignore it like you did the Reagan thing? Because I'm really getting tired of wasting my time with you if you're not going to even bother to read.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

If it was fixed then why do we need to return to it?

He doesn't have an answer - he just wants to blame Bush. He won't and can't admit that his generation spent it already.

...as the title states....

CsG

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

If it was fixed then why do we need to return to it?

He doesn't have an answer - he just wants to blame Bush. He won't and can't admit that his generation spent it already.

...as the title states....

CsG

So true, of course this problem magically arrived when Bush came into office.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Raided the bank toi pay for our every ill? Please cite some examples where SS funds were used inappropriately to pay for our ills where it didn't benefit you.

Yes, the "unused" SS money went into the general fund and was used by the federal gov't to fund programs - there is no denying that FACT.

Reality lost on you today red?

CsG

No but your smart ass attitude is though. Try to be more specific without being an ass please.

Awww...

& <- Smallest Anandtech violin playing for you...


CsG

How about answering my question like you would do if we were talking in person? I'm sure you wouldn't be such an arrogant SOB to anybody in person if they asked you a question that wasn't immflamatory unless your parents did a poor job at raising you.

Actually I would respond to YOU that way due to our prior engagements and your attitude. (ofcourse you'd try to use your size to intimidate me -but I'm not scared of your types )

LOL my size, all my size means is that I probably go to the gym more than you and that's all. If anything I'd probably be intimidated by your knowledge though if you were acting like a pompous ass I'd think a lot less of you

Do you really not realize that the money going into the general fund means it's spent on whatever ill or issue people of that day have? The gov't is charged with doing very few things - much of what our Federal gov't funds today falls WAY outside the realm of what is set forth by the Constitution.

CsG

And none of this happen while you've been able to vote?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!

I'm not asking for my money back - you old people are - except you've forgotten that you've already spent it on yourselves. I know I won't recieve a dime back of anything I've paid in(nor do I want it) so I'm not the greedy one here.

CsG

I've just paid into SS since I was 12. Another example of how "reasonable" you are?? If you don't expect to get your greedy little hands on some of it then why are you arguing about it?

I also have paid in since I was young(14 - legal age to start working) - and?
My hands aren't greedy - yours are. You want the young to pay for you. You think everyone else should pay for you - yet you want to call me greedy? :laugh:
I want to stop the theft of money(time value) from the working class - that's why I'm engaged in the debate.

CsG

Yeah, right. You have your own GREEDY interests. When I have someone REASONABLE to discuss this with, I'll sit down and discuss it. Until then I would reccomend that anyone reading this who is 50 or older join AARP and donate a little extra to help force the "radical right" to the bargining table.

Your dismissed.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

If it was fixed then why do we need to return to it?

He doesn't have an answer - he just wants to blame Bush. He won't and can't admit that his generation spent it already.

...as the title states....

CsG

So true, of course this problem magically arrived when Bush came into office.

No magic. Theft and stupidity. Maybe that looks like magic when you're afflicted.

 

[Steeplerot]

Wow, once again you all make up the craziest sh1t, when have you people been right about anything?

old folks are hopping pissed and are already suffering. raygun was total slime who scammed and ran up debt like crazy. What were you doing in the 80's? coke I assume if you forget what happened so easy.

CaD, are you a spambot? I don't think anyone can be so consistiantly found full of sh1t and still put his fingers to the keyboard

with any form of self-respect. You are wrong about every damn thing you have posted in this forum.

I hope your grandparents slap the sh1t out of you. Spoiled gulliable fools.

You were wrong about the war and the wmd you ppl swore we'd find even in this forum.

Wrong about the iraqis throwing themselves at our mercy.

Wrong about the economy.

Wrong about uniting america.

Wrong about moving america forward.

Wrong about education.

Wrong about religion and our government.

Why should anyone trust you people?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Do you really not realize that the money going into the general fund means it's spent on whatever ill or issue people of that day have? The gov't is charged with doing very few things - much of what our Federal gov't funds today falls WAY outside the realm of what is set forth by the Constitution.

CsG

And none of this happen while you've been able to vote?

Ofcourse it has been happening while I've been able to vote. Thus I am voicing my dismay with the current system(with my vote and my voice). The system needs changed - not just more money thrown at it. Ofcourse some people like the status quo - but I am working for change.

CsG

 

[Zebo]

Damn you guys are fools.. Theres plenty of ways not to pay SS.. Passive income.. Cap gains. 403B setup. Quit crying and do something about it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, right. You have your own GREEDY interests. When I have someone REASONABLE to discuss this with, I'll sit down and discuss it. Until then I would reccomend that anyone reading this who is 50 or older join AARP and donate a little extra to help force the "radical right" to the bargining table.

Your dismissed.

And just what are my "greedy interests"? To have the Federal gov't spend people's money as directed by the Constitution? Damn I'm greedy:roll:

Yeah, it figures you won't discuss it with me or others - just look at the title. It's quite clear that reason is lost with the elderly regarding this issue - they just can't accept/admit that the money was snatched right out from under their nose because they were blinded by all the "good" it was doing being spent.

CsG

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

If it was fixed then why do we need to return to it?

He doesn't have an answer - he just wants to blame Bush. He won't and can't admit that his generation spent it already.

...as the title states....

CsG

So true, of course this problem magically arrived when Bush came into office.

No magic. Theft and stupidity. Maybe that looks like magic when you're afflicted.

So before Bush came into office SS was never in trouble?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Do you really not realize that the money going into the general fund means it's spent on whatever ill or issue people of that day have? The gov't is charged with doing very few things - much of what our Federal gov't funds today falls WAY outside the realm of what is set forth by the Constitution.

CsG

And none of this happen while you've been able to vote?

Ofcourse it has been happening while I've been able to vote. Thus I am voicing my dismay with the current system(with my vote and my voice). The system needs changed - not just more money thrown at it. Ofcourse some people like the status quo - but I am working for change.

What5 makes you any different than those of the older Generations who feel that a change is needed? I thinkl most do but those who oppose it don't believe that the Dub's solution will work or they don't have confidence in the Dub and his people to do it right.

I think it's good that this is up for debate but I think that it will take more than the upcoming 3 years the Dub has left to come up with the right solution. The only reason I can see for him to be pushing it so hard is so he will have that as a part of his legacy. Why not set a time table on it like 6 years and make it a priority issue in all upcoming elections?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, right. You have your own GREEDY interests. When I have someone REASONABLE to discuss this with, I'll sit down and discuss it. Until then I would reccomend that anyone reading this who is 50 or older join AARP and donate a little extra to help force the "radical right" to the bargining table.

Your dismissed.

And just what are my "greedy interests"? To have the Federal gov't spend people's money as directed by the Constitution? Damn I'm greedy:roll:

Yeah, it figures you won't discuss it with me or others - just look at the title. It's quite clear that reason is lost with the elderly regarding this issue - they just can't accept/admit that the money was snatched right out from under their nose because they were blinded by all the "good" it was doing being spent.

CsG

Imagine, 30% of the money now going into SS trust fund being diverted to the stock market. Wow, what a boon for someone with a lot of money in stocks that would be. I guess your looking to retire early, huh. Greedy ass, you really think us old fogies are that stupid? :laugh: