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1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Congress also has the power to declare war. Did you get to vote on the Iraqi war? Now tell me that the President doesn't have the political power to direct bills through Congress.

No reasoning with the elderly? They need somebody reasonable to reason with, and all I see here are a bunch of spoiled kids who only think of themselves.

Bring it on, Georgie, bring it on. You'll go down in flames and will lose even what little support you have left.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG
 

BBond

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Mursilis

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Congress also has the power to declare war. Did you get to vote on the Iraqi war? Now tell me that the President doesn't have the political power to direct bills through Congress.

No reasoning with the elderly? They need somebody reasonable to reason with, and all I see here are a bunch of spoiled kids who only think of themselves.

Bring it on, Georgie, bring it on. You'll go down in flames and will lose even what little support you have left.

:thumbsup:
 

BBond

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.
 

Mursilis

Diamond Member
Mar 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

Thanks for the link to presidential statements, which carry absolutely no legal authority. As Pres. Bush is discovering now, absolutely nothing gets changed unless Congress changes it. Are you denying that it actually takes Congress passing a law in order for any change to me made to SS?
 

BBond

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!


Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

Thanks for the link to presidential statements, which carry absolutely no legal authority. As Pres. Bush is discovering now, absolutely nothing gets changed unless Congress changes it. Are you denying that it actually takes Congress passing a law in order for any change to me made to SS?

Now you're being totally ridiculous. You been owned. Now go away.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
25,162
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

Obviously it wasn't fixed if there were problems in the 90's and now.
Yes, if your generation didn't raid the bank to provide for your every ill then SS might have been fine for a bit longer -but more money isn't the answer, which is all you are saying will fix it.

CsG
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

Thanks for the link to presidential statements, which carry absolutely no legal authority. As Pres. Bush is discovering now, absolutely nothing gets changed unless Congress changes it. Are you denying that it actually takes Congress passing a law in order for any change to me made to SS?

Ignore the facts all you want. When you want to be reasonable maybe....just maybe we'll talk about it.
 

Mursilis

Diamond Member
Mar 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!


Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

Thanks for the link to presidential statements, which carry absolutely no legal authority. As Pres. Bush is discovering now, absolutely nothing gets changed unless Congress changes it. Are you denying that it actually takes Congress passing a law in order for any change to me made to SS?

Now you're being totally ridiculous. You been owned. Now go away.

Now that's a swell debating tactic - declare the debate over and yourself the winner. :roll: Thanks for the maturity lesson, Pops.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

Obviously it wasn't fixed if there were problems in the 90's and now.
Yes, if your generation didn't raid the bank to provide for your every ill then SS might have been fine for a bit longer -but more money isn't the answer, which is all you are saying will fix it.

CsG

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!
 

Red Dawn

Elite Member
Jun 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

And was it fixed? I guess not since we talked about it again in the late 90's and now again. If anything the 1983 hike shows that increasing the tax doesn't "fix" SS. Something else needs to be done to "fix" it.

CsG

It was "fixed". That's where the current Social Security surplus came from. The one that will last until 2052 or 2042 depending on who you believe.

Now if certain budget busting Republicans hadn't spent the rest we'd be just fine.

Obviously it wasn't fixed if there were problems in the 90's and now.
Yes, if your generation didn't raid the bank to provide for your every ill then SS might have been fine for a bit longer -but more money isn't the answer, which is all you are saying will fix it.

CsG
Raided the bank toi pay for our every ill? Please cite some examples where SS funds were used inappropriately to pay for our ills where it didn't benefit you.
 

Mursilis

Diamond Member
Mar 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
all I see here are a bunch of spoiled kids who only think of themselves.

Spoiled? Maybe because we were raised by baby-boomers. But don't pretend prior generations weren't greedy and irresponsible. The national debt was well into the trillions before I could ever vote.
 

BBond

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Obviously it wasn't fixed if there were problems in the 90's and now.
Yes, if your generation didn't raid the bank to provide for your every ill then SS might have been fine for a bit longer -but more money isn't the answer, which is all you are saying will fix it.

CsG

Another silly boy. :roll:

Bush spent the money. He spent it in 2000. Other presidents and congress spent it too. They used it to plug holes in their budgets. The Republicans made much bigger holes than the Democrats. Especially current commander in thief. World record USA budget deficit holder Georgie. With his pockets full of loot.

You probably weren't alive in 1983 either. Because you have it all wrong like the other piker.

Don't you people bother to read? No wonder your so confused. "csg" --> :confused:

[/quote]3. Address to the Nation on the Program for Economic Recovery, September 24, 1981

Now, if you'll permit me, I'd like to turn to another subject which I know has many of you very concerned and even frightened. This is an issue apart from the economic reform package that we've just been discussing, but I feel I must clear the air. There has been a great deal of misinformation and, for that matter, pure demagoguery on the subject of social security.

During the campaign, I called attention to the fact that social security had both a short and a long-range fiscal problem. I pledged my best to restore it to fiscal responsibility without in any way reducing or eliminating existing benefits for those now dependent on it.

To all of you listening, and particularly those of you now receiving social security, I ask you to listen very carefully: first to what threatens the integrity of social security, and then to a possible solution.

Some 30 years ago, there were 16 people working and paying the social security payroll tax for every 1 retiree. Today that ratio has changed to only 3.2 workers paying in for each beneficiary. For many years, we've known that an actuarial imbalance existed and that the program faced an unfunded liability of several trillion dollars.

Now, the short-range problem is much closer than that. The social security retirement fund has been paying out billions of dollars more each year than it takes in, and it could run out of money before the end of 1982 unless something is done. Some of our critics claim new figures reveal a cushion of several billions of dollars which will carry the program beyond 1982. I'm sure it's only a coincidence that 1982 is an election year.

The cushion they speak of is borrowing from the Medicare fund and the disability fund. Of course, doing this would only postpone the day of reckoning. Alice Rivlin of the Congressional Budget Office told a congressional committee, day before yesterday, that such borrowing might carry us to 1990, but then we'd face the same problem. And as she put it, we'd have to cut benefits or raise the payroll tax. Well, we're not going to cut benefits, and the payroll tax is already being raised.

In 1977 Congress passed the largest tax increase in our history. It called for a payroll tax increase in January of 1982, another in 1985, and again in 1986 and in 1990. When that law was passed we were told it made social security safe until the year 2030. But we're running out of money 48 years short of 2030.

For the nation's work force, the social security tax is already the biggest tax they pay. In 1935 we were told the tax would never be greater than 2 percent of the first $3,000 of earnings. It is presently 13.3 percent of the first $29,700, and the scheduled increases will take it to 15.3 percent of the first $60,600. And that's when Mrs. Rivlin says we would need an additional increase.

Some have suggested reducing benefits. Others propose an income tax on benefits, or that the retirement age should be moved back to age 68. And there are some who would simply fund social security out of general tax ilunds, as welfare is funded. I believe there are better solutions.

I am asking the Congress to restore the minimum benefit for current beneficiaries with low incomes. It was never our intention to take this support away from those who truly need it. There is, however, a sizable percentage of recipients who are adequately provided for by pensions or other income and should not be added to the financial burden of social security.

The same situation prevails with regard to disability payments. No one will deny our obligation to those with legitimate claims, but there's widespread abuse of the system which should not be allowed to continue.

Since 1962 early retirement has been allowed at age 62 with 80 percent of full benefits. In our proposal we ask that early retirees in the future receive 55 percent of the total benefit, but-and this is most important-those early retirees would only have to work an additional 20 months to be eligible for the 80-percent payment. I don't believe very many of you were aware of that part of our proposal.

The only change we proposed for those already receiving social security had to do with the annual cost-of-living adjustment. Now, those adjustments are made on July 1st each year, a hangover from the days when the fiscal year began in July. We proposed a one-time delay in making that adjustment, postponing it for 3 months until October 1st. From then on it would continue to be made every 12 months. That onetime delay would not lower your existing benefits but would, on the average, reduce your increase by about $86 one time next year.

By making these few changes, we would have solved the short- and long-range problems of social security funding once and for all. In addition, we could have canceled the increases in the payroll tax by 1985. To a young person just starting in the work force, the savings from canceling those increases would, on the average, amount to $33,000 by the time he or she reached retirement, and compound interest, add that, and it makes a tidy nest egg to add to the social security benefits.

However, let me point out, our feet were never imbedded in concrete on this proposal. We hoped it could be a starting point for a bipartisan solution to the problem. We were ready to listen to alternatives and other ideas which might improve on or replace our proposals. But, the majority leadership in the House of Representatives has refused to join in any such cooperative effort.

I therefore am asking, as I said, for restoration of the minimum benefit and for inter-fund borrowing as a temporary measure to give us time to seek a permanent solution. To remove social security once and for all from politics, I am also asking Speaker Tip O'Neill of the House of Representatives and Majority Leader in the Senate Howard Baker to each appoint five members, and I will appoint five, to a task force which will review all the options and come up with a plan that assures the fiscal integrity of social security and that social security recipients will continue to receive their full benefits.

I cannot and will not stand by and see financial hardship imposed on the more than 36 million senior citizens who have worked and served this Nation throughout their lives. They deserve better from us.

Well now, in conclusion, let me return to the principal purpose of this message, the budget and the imperative need for all of us to ask less of government, to help to return to spending no more than we take in, to end the deficits, and bring down interest rates that otherwise can destroy what we've been building here for two centuries. . . .
[/quote]
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
all I see here are a bunch of spoiled kids who only think of themselves.

Spoiled? Maybe because we were raised by baby-boomers. But don't pretend prior generations weren't greedy and irresponsible. The national debt was well into the trillions before I could ever vote.

<yawn>
 

Mursilis

Diamond Member
Mar 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

Thanks for the link to presidential statements, which carry absolutely no legal authority. As Pres. Bush is discovering now, absolutely nothing gets changed unless Congress changes it. Are you denying that it actually takes Congress passing a law in order for any change to me made to SS?

Ignore the facts all you want. When you want to be reasonable maybe....just maybe we'll talk about it.

There were no facts for me to ignore. But nice try 'debating' anyway.
 

BBond

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: Mursilis


Now that's a swell debating tactic - declare the debate over and yourself the winner. :roll: Thanks for the maturity lesson, Pops.

Kid, you made a claim. I refuted it. I provided conclusive proof of my claim. You provided nothing. Then you try to change the subject.

The "debate" on Reagan and Social Security is over unless you have ANY proof of your erroneous nonsense.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
25,162
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Raided the bank toi pay for our every ill? Please cite some examples where SS funds were used inappropriately to pay for our ills where it didn't benefit you.

Yes, the "unused" SS money went into the general fund and was used by the federal gov't to fund programs - there is no denying that FACT.

Reality lost on you today red?

CsG
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
all I see here are a bunch of spoiled kids who only think of themselves.

Spoiled? Maybe because we were raised by baby-boomers. But don't pretend prior generations weren't greedy and irresponsible. The national debt was well into the trillions before I could ever vote.

<yawn>

Nap time, maybe?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: BBond
--Second, we must hold down the tax burden on the workers who support Social Security.

Yet you want to INCREASE the taxes(even more). Hmmm...

CsG

Read it again oh confused one.

we must hold down the tax burden on the workers who support Social Security

WORKERS. Reagan's word. Not mine.

Man, you really are ridiculous.

Eliminate the FICA cap. Problem solved.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Blame your grandfather, maybe even your father. Ask them for your money back. LOL!

I'm not asking for my money back - you old people are - except you've forgotten that you've already spent it on yourselves. I know I won't recieve a dime back of anything I've paid in(nor do I want it) so I'm not the greedy one here.

CsG
 

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Mursilis


Under the Constitution, Congress, not the President, is the sole branch with the authority to collect and spend revenues. So while you may continue to whine on and on about Reagan, please note that your whining, like most other things you say, has no basis in reality. Reagan can only be faulted for not vetoing excessive spending, but he did not originate it; Congress did. And Congress spends money excessively, regardless of the party in charge. We see a GOP Congress spending uncontrollably now, as we saw a Dem Congress spending uncontrollably then.

Were you alive in 1983? How old were you?

My TV back then showed me Reagan, day in and day out, insisting that Congress MUST FIX SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Now whom should I believe? You or my lying eyes?

I don't doubt your TV tells you all sorts of things, and that explains quite a bit. You might consider turning it off, but hey, it's your life.
Just for your clarification:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Are you denying that Reagan insisted on fixing Social Security.

'Cause if you are and you click on that link you'll see that my TV was right and you're wrong.

;)

Thanks for the link to presidential statements, which carry absolutely no legal authority. As Pres. Bush is discovering now, absolutely nothing gets changed unless Congress changes it. Are you denying that it actually takes Congress passing a law in order for any change to me made to SS?

Ignore the facts all you want. When you want to be reasonable maybe....just maybe we'll talk about it.

There were no facts for me to ignore. But nice try 'debating' anyway.

The only one debating here is you with yourself. I can't convince you of anything and don't really care what you believe. You have your interests and I have mine. I think I'll just join the AARP and send them a couple of hundred bucks. They do the fighting for me.
 

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Originally posted by: Mursilis

There were no facts for me to ignore. But nice try 'debating' anyway.

No facts for you to ingore? Isn't your mouse working? Can't you click on the link?

Or are you joking. You must be joking. You better be joking because I shudder to think that anyone could be that stupid.
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
--Second, we must hold down the tax burden on the workers who support Social Security.

Yet you want to INCREASE the taxes(even more). Hmmm...

CsG

Read it again oh confused one.

we must hold down the tax burden on the workers who support Social Security

WORKERS. Reagan's word. Not mine.

Man, you really are ridiculous.

Eliminate the FICA cap. Problem solved.

And who exactly pays FICA? That's right - WORKERS!

I guess the title is correct - there is no reasoning with the elderly...

CsG