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charrison

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
And you don't think some here would like to see a bigger body count to help turn opinion against the war? Come on now - don't kid yourself...

CsG

There might be one or two but your comment was addressed to Conjur and I see no evidence that Conjur is one of those who feel that way.



You might want to reconsider this opinion of conjur as he does not want to answer the simple question.

All you guys do is partake in one upmanship. How are we suppose to take any of you seriously?



All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
And you don't think some here would like to see a bigger body count to help turn opinion against the war? Come on now - don't kid yourself...

CsG

There might be one or two but your comment was addressed to Conjur and I see no evidence that Conjur is one of those who feel that way.



You might want to reconsider this opinion of conjur as he does not want to answer the simple question.

All you guys do is partake in one upmanship. How are we suppose to take any of you seriously?



All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
Well I didn't. All you are doing is taking a quote out of context to try and demonize him because you don't like his political opinion. Sure we all do it occasionally but some of you seem to dwell constantly on it!
 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
And you don't think some here would like to see a bigger body count to help turn opinion against the war? Come on now - don't kid yourself...

CsG

There might be one or two but your comment was addressed to Conjur and I see no evidence that Conjur is one of those who feel that way.



You might want to reconsider this opinion of conjur as he does not want to answer the simple question.

All you guys do is partake in one upmanship. How are we suppose to take any of you seriously?



All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
Well I didn't. All you are doing is taking a quote out of context to try and demonize him because you don't like his political opinion. Sure we all do it occasionally but some of you seem to dwell constantly on it!



No, he made a post that was quite unclear. I gave him the option to clarify and he has not.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: brokendolly
Originally posted by: charrison



VA benefits have not been cut or even frozen for that matter.

Hmmm...did you hear that on television? ooh, I know Rush told you.
If you actually went to the House Commitee for Vet. Affairs, you would find an interesting article that dates back only to 2003. This article breaks down any myths you may have had, in regards to VA benefits, especially by declaring that the already "approved federal budget reduced funding for veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly 25 billion". It continues on to a very easy to follow breakdown of how the cut will affect resources, availability of hospital staff, living benefits, etc.
http://veterans.house.gov/demo...08th/3-13-03budget.htm



VA funding has gone up every year.
Also remember that VA population base is not exactly growing as 1500 WWII vets are passing away every day.

The link in the post you quoted disproves that.

Your link?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
Well I didn't. All you are doing is taking a quote out of context to try and demonize him because you don't like his political opinion. Sure we all do it occasionally but some of you seem to dwell constantly on it!



No, he made a post that was quite unclear. I gave him the option to clarify and he has not.
My aren't you special. Because he refused to pay any attention to your demands he now wishes the Body Count to go up in the Iraqi conflict??:roll:
 

BBond

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If Bush hadn't lied to us we wouldn't be talking about an Iraq body count.

Maybe Bush is wishing the count will go up. It's his count.

 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: brokendolly
Originally posted by: charrison



VA benefits have not been cut or even frozen for that matter.

Hmmm...did you hear that on television? ooh, I know Rush told you.
If you actually went to the House Commitee for Vet. Affairs, you would find an interesting article that dates back only to 2003. This article breaks down any myths you may have had, in regards to VA benefits, especially by declaring that the already "approved federal budget reduced funding for veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly 25 billion". It continues on to a very easy to follow breakdown of how the cut will affect resources, availability of hospital staff, living benefits, etc.
http://veterans.house.gov/demo...08th/3-13-03budget.htm



VA funding has gone up every year.
Also remember that VA population base is not exactly growing as 1500 WWII vets are passing away every day.

The link in the post you quoted disproves that.

Your link?



Gotta run, but I will answer this later
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
Well I didn't. All you are doing is taking a quote out of context to try and demonize him because you don't like his political opinion. Sure we all do it occasionally but some of you seem to dwell constantly on it!



No, he made a post that was quite unclear. I gave him the option to clarify and he has not.
My aren't you special. Because he refused to pay any attention to your demands he now wishes the Body Count to go up in the Iraqi conflict??:roll:

The problem is that he did pay attention to them but has purposely avoided answering them. I even provided him a little template on how he might want to respond - he has chosen not to.

*shrug*

CsG
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
Well I didn't. All you are doing is taking a quote out of context to try and demonize him because you don't like his political opinion. Sure we all do it occasionally but some of you seem to dwell constantly on it!



No, he made a post that was quite unclear. I gave him the option to clarify and he has not.
My aren't you special. Because he refused to pay any attention to your demands he now wishes the Body Count to go up in the Iraqi conflict??:roll:

The problem is that he did pay attention to them but has purposely avoided answering them. I even provided him a little template on how he might want to respond - he has chosen not to.

*shrug*

CsG
So because he ignored you guys he now is labled as one of those who wants more American Soldiers to die! Nice smear job!

 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
Well I didn't. All you are doing is taking a quote out of context to try and demonize him because you don't like his political opinion. Sure we all do it occasionally but some of you seem to dwell constantly on it!



No, he made a post that was quite unclear. I gave him the option to clarify and he has not.
My aren't you special. Because he refused to pay any attention to your demands he now wishes the Body Count to go up in the Iraqi conflict??:roll:

The problem is that he did pay attention to them but has purposely avoided answering them. I even provided him a little template on how he might want to respond - he has chosen not to.

*shrug*

CsG
So because he ignored you guys he now is labled as one of those who wants more American Soldiers to die! Nice smear job!

Again, he didn't ignore us - but he has refused to answer some simple questions that could clear things up.

He smeared himself BTW - something about hoping the grunt fries or something of the sort. He is still free to answer the questions posed to clear up this current issue though.:)

CsG
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Again, he didn't ignore us - but he has refused to answer some simple questions that could clear things up.

He smeared himself BTW - something about hoping the grunt fries or something of the sort. He is still free to answer the questions posed to clear up this current issue though.:)

CsG
Hoping a soldier friess for allegedly commiting a murder is not the same as hoping soldiers die in combat.
BTW, I didn't agree with him regarding that situation but I also didn't take it for him wanbting more Soldiers to die in combat in Iraq. Nobody would unless they were trying to smear his reputation.
 

MidasKnight

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Originally posted by: irwincur
how much more can these troops sacrifice? They've already been stretched to the limits

1/20 of the standing military and 1/40 of the reserves/guard are there. Stretched to the limit? Give me a break.


Between Germany, S. Korea, and Japan we have 400,000 troops that have done nothing for the last 40 years. I am sure that we can handle a bit more. 120,000 troops is not a lot in the whole scheme of things. It would also be nice though if we could finally pull out of some of the Clinton committments that have been eating resources for a decade. Where is the press bitching about us watching the Balkan's for the last decade - according to Clinton we were to be there less than a year.


I am sick and tired of people acting like soldiers cannot do their jobs for an extended amount of time. I don't ask for six months break from work. IT IS THEIR JOB, and when they signed up they should have been aware of it. I get sick of the media hyping every soldier that does not want to go - so far there have been about 20 scared little snatches in the ranks that the media uses to portray every soldier.

Don't know about you people but every soldier I know that is over there is not begging to come home every week. They understand that they have a job, and most would like to see it through completion.




:thumbsup:
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Again, he didn't ignore us - but he has refused to answer some simple questions that could clear things up.

He smeared himself BTW - something about hoping the grunt fries or something of the sort. He is still free to answer the questions posed to clear up this current issue though.:)

CsG
Hoping a soldier friess for allegedly commiting a murder is not the same as hoping soldiers die in combat.
BTW, I didn't agree with him regarding that situation but I also didn't take it for him wanbting more Soldiers to die in combat in Iraq. Nobody would unless they were trying to smear his reputation.

I didn't say his "grunt" comment means he wants more to die in combat(although it was quite possible that more could have died if that soldier didn't do what he did) - but he did smear himself with that comment like I said. So when someone looks at this current situation of conjur avoiding the simple task of clarifying his remarks by answering the question in the context of his previous statements -well? He can choose to clarify if he wishes but until he does the questions will linger...

CsG
 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: brokendolly
Originally posted by: charrison



VA benefits have not been cut or even frozen for that matter.

Hmmm...did you hear that on television? ooh, I know Rush told you.
If you actually went to the House Commitee for Vet. Affairs, you would find an interesting article that dates back only to 2003. This article breaks down any myths you may have had, in regards to VA benefits, especially by declaring that the already "approved federal budget reduced funding for veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly 25 billion". It continues on to a very easy to follow breakdown of how the cut will affect resources, availability of hospital staff, living benefits, etc.
http://veterans.house.gov/demo...08th/3-13-03budget.htm



VA funding has gone up every year.
Also remember that VA population base is not exactly growing as 1500 WWII vets are passing away every day.

The link in the post you quoted disproves that.

Your link?



Gotta run, but I will answer this later



budget 2001

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The White House today delivered to Congress the largest increase in discretionary spending for veterans ever proposed by any President - $1.5 billion for 2001.

2002
linkage

The 2002 President's budget for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) provides approximately $51.7 billion for veterans' benefits and services: $23.4 billion for discretionary programs (without medical care collections) and $28.3 billion for entitlements. The request for discretionary programs provides $1 billion, or 4.5 percent, over last year's enacted funding level. With an expected increase in medical care collections of approximately $200 million, this brings the total discretionary increase to $1.2 billion, or 5.3 percent.

2003

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With an expected increase in medical care collections of approximately $400 million, this brings the total discretionary increase to $3.1 billion, or 12.2 percent.

2004

President Bush's fiscal year 2004 budget requests a record $63.6 billion for our nation's veterans, including a nearly 8-percent increase over the fiscal year 2003 budget for discretionary funding - which mostly pays for VA's health care system -- and a 32-percent increase in overall funding since fiscal year 2001.

2005

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$67Billion

No decrease in spending has occured and this is with a declining veteren population.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Again, he didn't ignore us - but he has refused to answer some simple questions that could clear things up.

He smeared himself BTW - something about hoping the grunt fries or something of the sort. He is still free to answer the questions posed to clear up this current issue though.:)

CsG
Hoping a soldier friess for allegedly commiting a murder is not the same as hoping soldiers die in combat.
BTW, I didn't agree with him regarding that situation but I also didn't take it for him wanbting more Soldiers to die in combat in Iraq. Nobody would unless they were trying to smear his reputation.

I didn't say his "grunt" comment means he wants more to die in combat(although it was quite possible that more could have died if that soldier didn't do what he did) - but he did smear himself with that comment like I said. So when someone looks at this current situation of conjur avoiding the simple task of clarifying his remarks by answering the question in the context of his previous statements -well? He can choose to clarify if he wishes but until he does the questions will linger...

CsG
And until you apologize..no just take back your accusation of him of wanting more soldiers to die the question of why you are trying to smear him will linger on too. Disagree with him, tell him he's crazy but don't accuse him of something that borders on treason .
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Again, he didn't ignore us - but he has refused to answer some simple questions that could clear things up.

He smeared himself BTW - something about hoping the grunt fries or something of the sort. He is still free to answer the questions posed to clear up this current issue though.:)

CsG
Hoping a soldier friess for allegedly commiting a murder is not the same as hoping soldiers die in combat.
BTW, I didn't agree with him regarding that situation but I also didn't take it for him wanbting more Soldiers to die in combat in Iraq. Nobody would unless they were trying to smear his reputation.

I didn't say his "grunt" comment means he wants more to die in combat(although it was quite possible that more could have died if that soldier didn't do what he did) - but he did smear himself with that comment like I said. So when someone looks at this current situation of conjur avoiding the simple task of clarifying his remarks by answering the question in the context of his previous statements -well? He can choose to clarify if he wishes but until he does the questions will linger...

CsG
And until you apologize..no just take back your accusation of him of wanting more soldiers to die the question of why you are trying to smear him will linger on too. Disagree with him, tell him he's crazy but don't accuse him of something that borders on treason .

My "accusation" was questions. If the answers are negative, all is good - but conjur doesn't seem to want to answer them. That being the case there is no reason to apologize for asking the questions. If he would have answered the questions - all would have been clarified immediately instead of turning into this big issue, but he and you seem to want to make this into an issue about me instead of about the questions. I will not apologize for asking those questions(regardless of innuendo) - they are valid considering conjur's past and the positions taken by people here.

Again, conjur is more than welcome to address the questions so this issue can be put to rest but he doesn't seem too interested in doing that - but I'll wait patiently for them.

CsG
 

IGBT

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..looks like driving in the US is infinitely more dangerous then serving in Iraq: More than 41,000 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes each year, and crash injuries result in about 500,000 hospitalizations and four million emergency department visits annually. The economic burden of motor vehicle-related deaths and injuries is also enormous, costing the United States more than $150 billion each year.


$150 billion each year.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I will not apologize for asking those questions(regardless of innuendo) - they are valid considering conjur's past and the positions taken by people here.

Again, conjur is more than welcome to address the questions so this issue can be put to rest but he doesn't seem too interested in doing that - but I'll wait patiently for them.

CsG
Translation = I will smear him at my pleasure!

 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I will not apologize for asking those questions(regardless of innuendo) - they are valid considering conjur's past and the positions taken by people here.

Again, conjur is more than welcome to address the questions so this issue can be put to rest but he doesn't seem too interested in doing that - but I'll wait patiently for them.

CsG
Translation = I will smear him at my pleasure!

Nope, Translation = conjur should answer the question so there is no doubt.

CsG
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I will not apologize for asking those questions(regardless of innuendo) - they are valid considering conjur's past and the positions taken by people here.

Again, conjur is more than welcome to address the questions so this issue can be put to rest but he doesn't seem too interested in doing that - but I'll wait patiently for them.

CsG
Translation = I will smear him at my pleasure!
Nope, Translation = conjur should answer the question so there is no doubt.

CsG
There is no doubt in anyone's mind, including yours. It is blatant, hateful character assassination. As an allegedly good Christian, you should find your behavior shameful. Jesus does.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I will not apologize for asking those questions(regardless of innuendo) - they are valid considering conjur's past and the positions taken by people here.

Again, conjur is more than welcome to address the questions so this issue can be put to rest but he doesn't seem too interested in doing that - but I'll wait patiently for them.

CsG
Translation = I will smear him at my pleasure!
Nope, Translation = conjur should answer the question so there is no doubt.

CsG
There is no doubt in anyone's mind, including yours. It is blatant, hateful character assassination. As an allegedly good Christian, you should find your behavior shameful. Jesus does.

Ah yes, now here is the king of assassination riding in on his hypocritical horse. Go figure. Now if you'd actually look at what was said - you'd see that conjur has not answered the questions - which would clarify this issue. Unfortunately he has avoided them at all costs leaving people to wonder. I've repeatedly said that if he would just answer them the issue would be over but he has chosen not to.
But hey, go ahead and keep believing what you want - it's not like reality has ever stopped your fantasy before...

CsG
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Nope, Translation = conjur should answer the question so there is no doubt.

CsG
There is no doubt in anyone's mind, including yours. It is blatant, hateful character assassination. As an allegedly good Christian, you should find your behavior shameful. Jesus does.
Ah yes, now here is the king of assassination riding in on his hypocritical horse. Go figure. Now if you'd actually look at what was said - you'd see that conjur has not answered the questions - which would clarify this issue. Unfortunately he has avoided them at all costs leaving people to wonder. I've repeatedly said that if he would just answer them the issue would be over but he has chosen not to.
But hey, go ahead and keep believing what you want - it's not like reality has ever stopped your fantasy before...

CsG
The hateful character assassination continues. I doubt your honesty and your Christianity, Cad. What would Jesus do if he were in your shoes? Would he continue your hateful attacks? How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings? Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Nope, Translation = conjur should answer the question so there is no doubt.

CsG
There is no doubt in anyone's mind, including yours. It is blatant, hateful character assassination. As an allegedly good Christian, you should find your behavior shameful. Jesus does.
Ah yes, now here is the king of assassination riding in on his hypocritical horse. Go figure. Now if you'd actually look at what was said - you'd see that conjur has not answered the questions - which would clarify this issue. Unfortunately he has avoided them at all costs leaving people to wonder. I've repeatedly said that if he would just answer them the issue would be over but he has chosen not to.
But hey, go ahead and keep believing what you want - it's not like reality has ever stopped your fantasy before...

CsG
The hateful character assassination continues. I doubt your honesty and your Christianity, Cad. What would Jesus do if he were in your shoes? Would he continue your hateful attacks? How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings? Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?

Checked a mirror lately bowfinger? Nah, you'll just continue the dishonesty - but hey it's not like reality has stopped your before. Now since you seem to care so much - will you answer the questions that conjur won't answer?

CsG
 

Gaard

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Yeah, too bad they aren't dead right? I mean that would help your body-count cause, no?
CsG
I wouldn't answer those bullsh!t questions either.

Frankly CAD, if you had an ounce of decency you'd edit them out.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
The hateful character assassination continues. I doubt your honesty and your Christianity, Cad. What would Jesus do if he were in your shoes? Would he continue your hateful attacks? How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings? Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?

Checked a mirror lately bowfinger? Nah, you'll just continue the dishonesty - but hey it's not like reality has stopped your before. Now since you seem to care so much - will you answer the questions that conjur won't answer?

CsG
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?