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CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
The hateful character assassination continues. I doubt your honesty and your Christianity, Cad. What would Jesus do if he were in your shoes? Would he continue your hateful attacks? How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings? Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?

Checked a mirror lately bowfinger? Nah, you'll just continue the dishonesty - but hey it's not like reality has stopped your before. Now since you seem to care so much - will you answer the questions that conjur won't answer?

CsG
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?

My questions aren't attacks first of all. But no, he wouldn't continue hateful attacks no matter who was doing the attacking. However you must keep in mind that my questioning conjur is not a hateful attack.

Now exactly how do you reconcile your dishonesty with Christ's teachings? You have falsely accused me of hateful attacks and you continue to choose to be ignorant of the issue at hand. Are you not guilty of the same you are accusing me of? Why sure you are - not that you'll look in the mirror and admit it though.

Again since you seem so interested in this issue - why don't you answer the questions conjur wont answer?:)

CsG
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Gaard
Yeah, too bad they aren't dead right? I mean that would help your body-count cause, no?
CsG
I wouldn't answer those bullsh!t questions either.

Frankly CAD, if you had an ounce of decency you'd edit them out.


All he has to do is clafiry the intentions of his post .
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
The hateful character assassination continues. I doubt your honesty and your Christianity, Cad. What would Jesus do if he were in your shoes? Would he continue your hateful attacks? How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings? Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?

Checked a mirror lately bowfinger? Nah, you'll just continue the dishonesty - but hey it's not like reality has stopped your before. Now since you seem to care so much - will you answer the questions that conjur won't answer?

CsG
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?
My questions aren't attacks first of all. Of course they are. But no, he wouldn't continue hateful attacks no matter who was doing the attacking. However you must keep in mind that my questioning conjur is not a hateful attack. Of course it is.

Now exactly how do you reconcile your dishonesty with Christ's teachings?
Kindly show me where I have claimed to be a good Christian. I am a former fundamentalist Christian who became disgusted and disillusioned by the hypocrisy of people just like you. I found too many self-proclaimed good Christians were really total a-holes in their daily lives, using their "faith" to excuse their appalling behavior -- much like the Bush administration, in fact.


You have falsely not from my perspective, maybe you should take a closer look at yourself accused me of hateful attacks and you continue to choose to be ignorant of the issue at hand WTF?. Are you not guilty of the same you are accusing me of? Why sure you are - not that you'll look in the mirror and admit it though.
Interesting that you proclaim your innocence, yet insist I am guilty ... given that I used the same words and phrases that you used to attack Conjur. That was my point, of course, to turn your own attacks against you to highlight your hypocrisy. It worked exactly as expected, though I'm confident you'll offer some twisted rationalization to "prove" how it's different. :laugh:


Again since you seem so interested in this issue - why don't you answer the questions conjur wont answer?:)

CsG
Why? Because it pisses you off. Because it amuses me to watch your self-righteous rants and your contorted denials. Because it is an exceptionally repugnant personal attack, even for you.
 

Gaard

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By CAD -

[*] "Did conjur even answer the questions posed?"
[*] "Did you ever answer the questions posed?"
[*] "Have you answered the questions?"
[*] "They are simple questions conjur. "
[*] "edit" (but some of us saw that it was more 'answer the questions' bullsh!t)
[*] "...but has purposely avoided answering them."
[*] "...he has refused to answer some simple questions"
[*] "...conjur avoiding the simple task of clarifying his remarks by answering the question"
[*] "...but conjur doesn't seem to want to answer them."
[*] "...conjur should answer the question..."
[*] "...conjur has not answered the questions."



To CAD -
[*] "Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?"




 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Gaard
By CAD -

[*] "Did conjur even answer the questions posed?"
[*] "Did you ever answer the questions posed?"
[*] "Have you answered the questions?"
[*] "They are simple questions conjur. "
[*] "edit" (but some of us saw that it was more 'answer the questions' bullsh!t)
[*] "...but has purposely avoided answering them."
[*] "...he has refused to answer some simple questions"
[*] "...conjur avoiding the simple task of clarifying his remarks by answering the question"
[*] "...but conjur doesn't seem to want to answer them."
[*] "...conjur should answer the question..."
[*] "...conjur has not answered the questions."



To CAD -
[*] "Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?"



So what was conjurs point in comparing todays to the amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?


Maybe you can clarify his post for him?
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Gaard
To CAD -
[*] "Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?"

I already answered - but to continue that. I don't think Jesus would even be here on P&N so I suppose those who oppose Christianity have another argument to add to their list;)

CsG
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
The hateful character assassination continues. I doubt your honesty and your Christianity, Cad. What would Jesus do if he were in your shoes? Would he continue your hateful attacks? How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings? Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?

Checked a mirror lately bowfinger? Nah, you'll just continue the dishonesty - but hey it's not like reality has stopped your before. Now since you seem to care so much - will you answer the questions that conjur won't answer?

CsG
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?
My questions aren't attacks first of all. Of course they are. But no, he wouldn't continue hateful attacks no matter who was doing the attacking. However you must keep in mind that my questioning conjur is not a hateful attack. Of course it is.

Now exactly how do you reconcile your dishonesty with Christ's teachings?
Kindly show me where I have claimed to be a good Christian. I am a former fundamentalist Christian who became disgusted and disillusioned by the hypocrisy of people just like you. I found too many self-proclaimed good Christians were really total a-holes in their daily lives, using their "faith" to excuse their appalling behavior -- much like the Bush administration, in fact.


You have falsely not from my perspective, maybe you should take a closer look at yourself accused me of hateful attacks and you continue to choose to be ignorant of the issue at hand WTF?. Are you not guilty of the same you are accusing me of? Why sure you are - not that you'll look in the mirror and admit it though.
Interesting that you proclaim your innocence, yet insist I am guilty ... given that I used the same words and phrases that you used to attack Conjur. That was my point, of course, to turn your own attacks against you to highlight your hypocrisy. It worked exactly as expected, though I'm confident you'll offer some twisted rationalization to "prove" how it's different. :laugh:


Again since you seem so interested in this issue - why don't you answer the questions conjur wont answer?:)

CsG
Why? Because it pisses you off. Because it amuses me to watch your self-righteous rants and your contorted denials. Because it is an exceptionally repugnant personal attack, even for you.

And who says a good Christian has to be a fundamentalist? That's right- they don't. I don't go to church because I too became disillusioned with the hypocrisy. That however doesn't change the faith I have in God - it affected the faith I have in some of those who preach his word. So anyway Bow -we truly aren't different in this respect yet you try to lump me into the group I distrust.

Well, did you or did you not make that claim that my questions were a hateful attack? You seem to know my intentions and put your own spin on them. I on the other hand asked conjur questions hoping he'd clarify his position because the way he posted could give the appearance that he supported more deaths. He has had ample opportunity to set the record straight and it's amazing that he hasn't stepped up to the plate to clarify the issue.

Why? because you seem so interested is why? Why don't you help clarify things? Take a shot - I answered them with ease and provided a template for conjur to answer.

*shrug* So be it. Continue your ignorance of reality if you wish Bow...

CsG
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
The hateful character assassination continues. I doubt your honesty and your Christianity, Cad. What would Jesus do if he were in your shoes? Would he continue your hateful attacks? How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings? Answer the question. Remove the doubt. WWJD, Cad?

Checked a mirror lately bowfinger? Nah, you'll just continue the dishonesty - but hey it's not like reality has stopped your before. Now since you seem to care so much - will you answer the questions that conjur won't answer?

CsG
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?
My questions aren't attacks first of all. Of course they are. But no, he wouldn't continue hateful attacks no matter who was doing the attacking. However you must keep in mind that my questioning conjur is not a hateful attack. Of course it is.

Now exactly how do you reconcile your dishonesty with Christ's teachings?
Kindly show me where I have claimed to be a good Christian. I am a former fundamentalist Christian who became disgusted and disillusioned by the hypocrisy of people just like you. I found too many self-proclaimed good Christians were really total a-holes in their daily lives, using their "faith" to excuse their appalling behavior -- much like the Bush administration, in fact.


You have falsely not from my perspective, maybe you should take a closer look at yourself accused me of hateful attacks and you continue to choose to be ignorant of the issue at hand WTF?. Are you not guilty of the same you are accusing me of? Why sure you are - not that you'll look in the mirror and admit it though.
Interesting that you proclaim your innocence, yet insist I am guilty ... given that I used the same words and phrases that you used to attack Conjur. That was my point, of course, to turn your own attacks against you to highlight your hypocrisy. It worked exactly as expected, though I'm confident you'll offer some twisted rationalization to "prove" how it's different. :laugh:


Again since you seem so interested in this issue - why don't you answer the questions conjur wont answer?:)

CsG
Why? Because it pisses you off. Because it amuses me to watch your self-righteous rants and your contorted denials. Because it is an exceptionally repugnant personal attack, even for you.

And who says a good Christian has to be a fundamentalist? That's right- they don't. I don't go to church because I too became disillusioned with the hypocrisy. That however doesn't change the faith I have in God - it affected the faith I have in some of those who preach his word. So anyway Bow -we truly aren't different in this respect yet you try to lump me into the group I distrust.

Well, did you or did you not make that claim that my questions were a hateful attack? You seem to know my intentions and put your own spin on them. I on the other hand asked conjur questions hoping he'd clarify his position because the way he posted could give the appearance that he supported more deaths. He has had ample opportunity to set the record straight and it's amazing that he hasn't stepped up to the plate to clarify the issue.

Why? because you seem so interested is why? Why don't you help clarify things? Take a shot - I answered them with ease and provided a template for conjur to answer.

*shrug* So be it. Continue your ignorance of reality if you wish Bow...

CsG


CAD, c'mon. Its obvious you posed the question merely to undermine conjur's credibility. Its the same disgusting thing that is done in politics by both sides. By merely asking the question they can't be accused of lying or saying something false. But they still accomplish their goal of attacking the credibility of the opposing party on pretenses that are unproven and unsupported.

You could easily have continued your debate without resorting to questionable tactics. Of course, this is done by both sides, but that doesn't escuse you.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?
My questions aren't attacks first of all. Of course they are. But no, he wouldn't continue hateful attacks no matter who was doing the attacking. However you must keep in mind that my questioning conjur is not a hateful attack. Of course it is.

Now exactly how do you reconcile your dishonesty with Christ's teachings?
Kindly show me where I have claimed to be a good Christian. I am a former fundamentalist Christian who became disgusted and disillusioned by the hypocrisy of people just like you. I found too many self-proclaimed good Christians were really total a-holes in their daily lives, using their "faith" to excuse their appalling behavior -- much like the Bush administration, in fact.


You have falsely not from my perspective, maybe you should take a closer look at yourself accused me of hateful attacks and you continue to choose to be ignorant of the issue at hand WTF?. Are you not guilty of the same you are accusing me of? Why sure you are - not that you'll look in the mirror and admit it though.
Interesting that you proclaim your innocence, yet insist I am guilty ... given that I used the same words and phrases that you used to attack Conjur. That was my point, of course, to turn your own attacks against you to highlight your hypocrisy. It worked exactly as expected, though I'm confident you'll offer some twisted rationalization to "prove" how it's different. :laugh:


Again since you seem so interested in this issue - why don't you answer the questions conjur wont answer?:)

CsG
Why? Because it pisses you off. Because it amuses me to watch your self-righteous rants and your contorted denials. Because it is an exceptionally repugnant personal attack, even for you.
And who says a good Christian has to be a fundamentalist? That's right- they don't.
And??? Kindly point out where I said otherwise.


I don't go to church because I too became disillusioned with the hypocrisy. That however doesn't change the faith I have in God - it affected the faith I have in some of those who preach his word. So anyway Bow -we truly aren't different in this respect
I think we have more in common than you realize. I noticed a comment from you about all the computers you have, for example, and mentioned to my wife you sounded like me.

My politics were also similar to yours when I was around your age. I have drifted farther and farther from the right because, much like the "good Christians" I mentioned before, I've become disgusted and disillusioned by the malfeasance some prominent Republicans. I believe the Republican party has been largely hijacked by self-serving liars and crooks who have abandoned conservative principles to enrich special interests. The Democrats are guilty of this as well, of course, but they haven't been able to keep up with the Repubs, in my opinion. Consequently, I usually vote for third party candidates unless one of the big two is especially good, or especially repulsive.


yet you try to lump me into the group I distrust.
I seem to remember you making comments embracing Christian fundamentalists and their actions. I do not remember specifically why I have that impression, nor do I have any idea how I would search for it. If I'm mistaken, I apologize. My point, however, was to give you a dose of your own medicine, using the same words and phrases to malign you that you were using to attack Conjur. You obviously didn't like it. Perhaps you now understand why such attacks are wrong.


Well, did you or did you not make that claim that my questions were a hateful attack?
Yep, and I sincerely believe it. Apparently so do most others here.


You seem to know my intentions and put your own spin on them. I on the other hand asked conjur questions hoping he'd clarify his position because the way he posted could give the appearance that he supported more deaths. He has had ample opportunity to set the record straight and it's amazing that he hasn't stepped up to the plate to clarify the issue.
It's not amazing at all. As several have pointed out, including Conjur IIRC, there is no obligation to respond to such repugnant attacks. To insinuate that anyone here wishes more American soldiers had died is extremely offensive unless you have overwhelming and exceptionally clear-cut evidence. It's a slimy tactic often used by this administration; one of the many reasons I have no respect for and do not trust Bush & his minions.


Why? because you seem so interested is why? Why don't you help clarify things? Take a shot - I answered them with ease and provided a template for conjur to answer.
See above.


*shrug* So be it. Continue your ignorance of reality if you wish [ ... ]
So be it, indeed. It would be a wonderful opportunity to reflect on what you've done and offer Conjur an apology. Many here, myself included, would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you didn't really understand how offensive your insinuations were. The choice is obviously yours.
 

skyking

Lifer
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LOL at above......

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that caught my eye.

"Who Would Jesus Bomb?"
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?
My questions aren't attacks first of all. Of course they are. But no, he wouldn't continue hateful attacks no matter who was doing the attacking. However you must keep in mind that my questioning conjur is not a hateful attack. Of course it is.

Now exactly how do you reconcile your dishonesty with Christ's teachings?
Kindly show me where I have claimed to be a good Christian. I am a former fundamentalist Christian who became disgusted and disillusioned by the hypocrisy of people just like you. I found too many self-proclaimed good Christians were really total a-holes in their daily lives, using their "faith" to excuse their appalling behavior -- much like the Bush administration, in fact.


You have falsely not from my perspective, maybe you should take a closer look at yourself accused me of hateful attacks and you continue to choose to be ignorant of the issue at hand WTF?. Are you not guilty of the same you are accusing me of? Why sure you are - not that you'll look in the mirror and admit it though.
Interesting that you proclaim your innocence, yet insist I am guilty ... given that I used the same words and phrases that you used to attack Conjur. That was my point, of course, to turn your own attacks against you to highlight your hypocrisy. It worked exactly as expected, though I'm confident you'll offer some twisted rationalization to "prove" how it's different. :laugh:


Again since you seem so interested in this issue - why don't you answer the questions conjur wont answer?:)

CsG
Why? Because it pisses you off. Because it amuses me to watch your self-righteous rants and your contorted denials. Because it is an exceptionally repugnant personal attack, even for you.
And who says a good Christian has to be a fundamentalist? That's right- they don't.
And??? Kindly point out where I said otherwise.


I don't go to church because I too became disillusioned with the hypocrisy. That however doesn't change the faith I have in God - it affected the faith I have in some of those who preach his word. So anyway Bow -we truly aren't different in this respect
I think we have more in common than you realize. I noticed a comment from you about all the computers you have, for example, and mentioned to my wife you sounded like me.

My politics were also similar to yours when I was around your age. I have drifted farther and farther from the right because, much like the "good Christians" I mentioned before, I've become disgusted and disillusioned by the malfeasance some prominent Republicans. I believe the Republican party has been largely hijacked by self-serving liars and crooks who have abandoned conservative principles to enrich special interests. The Democrats are guilty of this as well, of course, but they haven't been able to keep up with the Repubs, in my opinion. Consequently, I usually vote for third party candidates unless one of the big two is especially good, or especially repulsive.


yet you try to lump me into the group I distrust.
I seem to remember you making comments embracing Christian fundamentalists and their actions. I do not remember specifically why I have that impression, nor do I have any idea how I would search for it. If I'm mistaken, I apologize. My point, however, was to give you a dose of your own medicine, using the same words and phrases to malign you that you were using to attack Conjur. You obviously didn't like it. Perhaps you now understand why such attacks are wrong.


Well, did you or did you not make that claim that my questions were a hateful attack?
Yep, and I sincerely believe it. Apparently so do most others here.


You seem to know my intentions and put your own spin on them. I on the other hand asked conjur questions hoping he'd clarify his position because the way he posted could give the appearance that he supported more deaths. He has had ample opportunity to set the record straight and it's amazing that he hasn't stepped up to the plate to clarify the issue.
It's not amazing at all. As several have pointed out, including Conjur IIRC, there is no obligation to respond to such repugnant attacks. To insinuate that anyone here wishes more American soldiers had died is extremely offensive unless you have overwhelming and exceptionally clear-cut evidence. It's a slimy tactic often used by this administration; one of the many reasons I have no respect for and do not trust Bush & his minions.


Why? because you seem so interested is why? Why don't you help clarify things? Take a shot - I answered them with ease and provided a template for conjur to answer.
See above.


*shrug* So be it. Continue your ignorance of reality if you wish [ ... ]
So be it, indeed. It would be a wonderful opportunity to reflect on what you've done and offer Conjur an apology. Many here, myself included, would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you didn't really understand how offensive your insinuations were. The choice is obviously yours.

Conjur has been given ample time to clarify his statement. I can understand you not liking the tone of my questioning but that's life - tough. Again, this isn't about what I've done -it's about conjur's statements and the subsequent un-answered questions seeking clarification. I've answered your questions that you say copy the tone and such of mine so I don't see why it's too much to ask of conjur. I even gave him a template to answer them, not that they were hard to answer in the first place.
Also I find it interesting that you harp on me because my questions were supposedly "offensive" when you have "If you never encounter anything in your community that offends you, you're not living in a free society." in your sig.
It's not too much to ask of conjur to answer the questions when he has responded to the issue. As I said, if he doesn't think so(thus answering no) then all is good and there is no issue here, but the question has been raised because some people take the opportunity to note the maimings that in the past would have resulted in death to try to equate them.

Again, none of this would be an issue if conjur would have clarified the issue at the beginning instead of taking offense and then the rest of you feigning outrage over it. You can continue to deride me if you wish but I'll patiently wait for clarification:) Heck even a clarification via charrison's "softer" route would even be acceptable to me.
So what was conjurs point in comparing todays to the amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?

CsG
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Why are you evading the question, Cad? Would Jesus continue your hateful attacks? Answer the question so this issue can be put to rest. WWJD? The issue would be over if you'd just answer the question. It is a valid question given your past and the positions you've taken. I'm just trying to clarify to remove doubt. How do you reconcile your hateful and dishonest behavior with Christ's teachings?
My questions aren't attacks first of all. Of course they are. But no, he wouldn't continue hateful attacks no matter who was doing the attacking. However you must keep in mind that my questioning conjur is not a hateful attack. Of course it is.

Now exactly how do you reconcile your dishonesty with Christ's teachings?
Kindly show me where I have claimed to be a good Christian. I am a former fundamentalist Christian who became disgusted and disillusioned by the hypocrisy of people just like you. I found too many self-proclaimed good Christians were really total a-holes in their daily lives, using their "faith" to excuse their appalling behavior -- much like the Bush administration, in fact.


You have falsely not from my perspective, maybe you should take a closer look at yourself accused me of hateful attacks and you continue to choose to be ignorant of the issue at hand WTF?. Are you not guilty of the same you are accusing me of? Why sure you are - not that you'll look in the mirror and admit it though.
Interesting that you proclaim your innocence, yet insist I am guilty ... given that I used the same words and phrases that you used to attack Conjur. That was my point, of course, to turn your own attacks against you to highlight your hypocrisy. It worked exactly as expected, though I'm confident you'll offer some twisted rationalization to "prove" how it's different. :laugh:


Again since you seem so interested in this issue - why don't you answer the questions conjur wont answer?:)

CsG
Why? Because it pisses you off. Because it amuses me to watch your self-righteous rants and your contorted denials. Because it is an exceptionally repugnant personal attack, even for you.
And who says a good Christian has to be a fundamentalist? That's right- they don't.
And??? Kindly point out where I said otherwise.


I don't go to church because I too became disillusioned with the hypocrisy. That however doesn't change the faith I have in God - it affected the faith I have in some of those who preach his word. So anyway Bow -we truly aren't different in this respect
I think we have more in common than you realize. I noticed a comment from you about all the computers you have, for example, and mentioned to my wife you sounded like me.

My politics were also similar to yours when I was around your age. I have drifted farther and farther from the right because, much like the "good Christians" I mentioned before, I've become disgusted and disillusioned by the malfeasance some prominent Republicans. I believe the Republican party has been largely hijacked by self-serving liars and crooks who have abandoned conservative principles to enrich special interests. The Democrats are guilty of this as well, of course, but they haven't been able to keep up with the Repubs, in my opinion. Consequently, I usually vote for third party candidates unless one of the big two is especially good, or especially repulsive.


yet you try to lump me into the group I distrust.
I seem to remember you making comments embracing Christian fundamentalists and their actions. I do not remember specifically why I have that impression, nor do I have any idea how I would search for it. If I'm mistaken, I apologize. My point, however, was to give you a dose of your own medicine, using the same words and phrases to malign you that you were using to attack Conjur. You obviously didn't like it. Perhaps you now understand why such attacks are wrong.


Well, did you or did you not make that claim that my questions were a hateful attack?
Yep, and I sincerely believe it. Apparently so do most others here.


You seem to know my intentions and put your own spin on them. I on the other hand asked conjur questions hoping he'd clarify his position because the way he posted could give the appearance that he supported more deaths. He has had ample opportunity to set the record straight and it's amazing that he hasn't stepped up to the plate to clarify the issue.
It's not amazing at all. As several have pointed out, including Conjur IIRC, there is no obligation to respond to such repugnant attacks. To insinuate that anyone here wishes more American soldiers had died is extremely offensive unless you have overwhelming and exceptionally clear-cut evidence. It's a slimy tactic often used by this administration; one of the many reasons I have no respect for and do not trust Bush & his minions.


Why? because you seem so interested is why? Why don't you help clarify things? Take a shot - I answered them with ease and provided a template for conjur to answer.
See above.


*shrug* So be it. Continue your ignorance of reality if you wish [ ... ]
So be it, indeed. It would be a wonderful opportunity to reflect on what you've done and offer Conjur an apology. Many here, myself included, would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you didn't really understand how offensive your insinuations were. The choice is obviously yours.

Conjur has been given ample time to clarify his statement. I can understand you not liking the tone of my questioning but that's life - tough. Again, this isn't about what I've done -it's about conjur's statements and the subsequent un-answered questions seeking clarification. I've answered your questions that you say copy the tone and such of mine so I don't see why it's too much to ask of conjur. I even gave him a template to answer them, not that they were hard to answer in the first place.
Also I find it interesting that you harp on me because my questions were supposedly "offensive" when you have "If you never encounter anything in your community that offends you, you're not living in a free society." in your sig.
It's not too much to ask of conjur to answer the questions when he has responded to the issue. As I said, if he doesn't think so(thus answering no) then all is good and there is no issue here, but the question has been raised because some people take the opportunity to note the maimings that in the past would have resulted in death to try to equate them.

Again, none of this would be an issue if conjur would have clarified the issue at the beginning instead of taking offense and then the rest of you feigning outrage over it. You can continue to deride me if you wish but I'll patiently wait for clarification:) Heck even a clarification via charrison's "softer" route would even be acceptable to me.
So what was conjurs point in comparing todays to the amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?

CsG

So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.
 

charrison

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So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.

no, no and no,

Now, let me pose the question to you. Everyone asked this question has since left the thread, will you be next?



So what was conjurs point in comparing todays amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: charrison
So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.

no, no and no,

Now, let me pose the question to you. Everyone asked this question has since left the thread, will you be next?



So what was conjurs point in comparing todays amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?
Let me pose a more pertinent question to you guys! You really gives a sh!t besides those trying to smear Conjur?
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
All he has to do is answer the question, which he refuses to do so. Quite telling if you ask me.
Well I didn't. All you are doing is taking a quote out of context to try and demonize him because you don't like his political opinion. Sure we all do it occasionally but some of you seem to dwell constantly on it!



No, he made a post that was quite unclear. I gave him the option to clarify and he has not.
My aren't you special. Because he refused to pay any attention to your demands he now wishes the Body Count to go up in the Iraqi conflict??:roll:

The problem is that he did pay attention to them but has purposely avoided answering them. I even provided him a little template on how he might want to respond - he has chosen not to.

*shrug*

CsG

You gave him a template? Could you be more arrogant? :roll:
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.

no, no and no,

Now, let me pose the question to you. Everyone asked this question has since left the thread, will you be next?



So what was conjurs point in comparing todays amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?
Let me pose a more pertinent question to you guys! You really gives a sh!t besides those trying to smear Conjur?



So what was conjurs intent by comparing current amputation rates to WWII amputation rates? And why did he act like I was quoting out of context?

Come one Red, you can answer this one.


There is no smear attempt here, I just want to know what he thought I was quoting out of context. After allhe did reply to my post reguarding current number of amputations.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.

no, no and no,

Now, let me pose the question to you. Everyone asked this question has since left the thread, will you be next?



So what was conjurs point in comparing todays amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?
Let me pose a more pertinent question to you guys! You really gives a sh!t besides those trying to smear Conjur?



So what was conjurs intent by comparing current amputation rates to WWII amputation rates? And why did he act like I was quoting out of context?

Come one Red, you can answer this one.
And if I don't are you going to try and smear me like you and your cabal of little Ditto-heads are doing to Conjur?

 

Terumo

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I really dont know what you are trying to say here as I thought it was common knowledge that armor and meditech was saving lives.

Death rate is down, but the amputation rate is higher than in WWII and Vietnam. Even under the barage of mortar and artillery fire in WWII and Vietnam, they still had less amputations. Our troops aren't just loosing a foot, but tibias.

Considering the progress in orthopedics in the last 20 years (from intermedullary nailing to infection, ARDS and shock control) losing a limb because it's mangled by bombs is not encouraging. Even with the best triage, modern medicine and better equipment, Walter Reed has turned into a assembly line of amputees.

Having experienced military orthopedics firsthand (that nearly killed me, literally) it's amazing more haven't died from a simple fracture.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: charrison
So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.

no, no and no,

Now, let me pose the question to you. Everyone asked this question has since left the thread, will you be next?



So what was conjurs point in comparing todays amputation rate to WWII? He also acted like that I was quoting the current amputation rate out of context?


I'm bored. So sure, I'll play your little game. People were argueing about the cost in human life of the war. The consevatives were argueing the cost was lower and the liberals were argueing the cost was higher. Are we in agreeance so far? Now there was an article in the Washington Post a few weeks ago making the same point that Conjur was making. People in the media dwell on the KIA number which is relatively low in this conflict (when compared to our nations experience in other wars and conflicts), yet the number of dibilatating injuries (amputations is the prime example) is much higher. That fact is not well known. The cost of this war isn't just about body counts (which you seem hell bent on implying it is). Its about the affect it has on human lives. Conjur referred to that statistic to demonstrate that even with life saving modern technology, our fighting men and women still suffer greatly in this war. I (and I'm sure every poster here) want our men and women to come home alive AND be able to return to their lives with out life altering physical injuries. You seem hell bent on twisting those words to be that we would be happier if they came back dead becuase that would make them a more shocking casualty rate. I can't believe your twisted logic. Its shocking and down right ugly. You have in the past contributed greatly to the debate in these threads but today, in this thread, you have done nothing but make unsupported statements about the motivations of forum members in an attempt to discredit those you argue with. Its dirty politics at it worst. If your conduct is any indication of the conduct of those you want un-banned then I can fully see why they are banned.
 

imported_tss4

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CAD,
And to continue the stupid questions which you think are appropriate.

Do you really want our soldiers to come back amputees?
Do you think are muslims are terrorists?
Do you think women should be subsurvient slaves?

Answer the questions! Well, is true? Are you really a pedophile?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: tss4
So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.

I was asking for clarification because that argument has been used by some.

No
No
No

See how easy that was? See, I didn't get all offended because of your questions. Ofcourse there was nothing directly quoted that might suggest one of those things but hey - we'll just play your game.
The only one that has screwed up is conjur - he has not clarified his statements. Sure, he doesn't have to answer but if he wants to get all indignant about the questions then he might try answering to remove all doubt instead of trying to ignore it.

But hey, go ahead and try to put this on me if you wish... It's ok - I can take it.:D

CsG
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
So CAD, since we're asking questions for the sake of discrediting others with no proof....

Is it true that you want to kill all gay people??
Do you want to castrate all welfare recipeints?
Is it true that you enjoy watching old people die in poverty?

If you would like I could continue to ask such ridiculous questions deflecting this conversation from rational discussion in an attemp to discredit you and you could waste your time and our time by answering them OR you could soundly ignore my ridiculous questions and address the real issues. Look, I don't expect you to apoligize because no one ever does here, but you need to take your lumps this time and stop making ridiculous excuses. You messed up this time, but we all have.

I was asking for clarification because that argument has been used by some.

No
No
No

See how easy that was? See, I didn't get all offended because of your questions. Ofcourse there was nothing directly quoted that might suggest one of those things but hey - we'll just play your game.
The only one that has screwed up is conjur - he has not clarified his statements. Sure, he doesn't have to answer but if he wants to get all indignant about the questions then he might try answering to remove all doubt instead of trying to ignore it.

But hey, go ahead and try to put this on me if you wish... It's ok - I can take it.:D

CsG
Hey you never miss a chance to twist something somebody said in order to try and belittle him for the sake of your political agenda!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: tss4
CAD,
And to continue the stupid questions which you think are appropriate.

Do you really want our soldiers to come back amputees?
Do you think are muslims are terrorists?
Do you think women should be subsurvient slaves?

Answer the questions! Well, is true? Are you really a pedophile?

No, I want them to come back in one piece.
No, not all Muslims are. Infact one doesn't need to be a Muslim to become a terrorist.
No.

No, I'm not a pedophile -are you?

Now once again - can you point out where I said something in this thread that could be viewed as stating those things? Nope, but hey it sure was a nice attempt.:laugh:

CsG