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Bush Tells Troops 'Much More Will Be Asked of You'

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Why do you think the media is not portraying the war over there accurately. I have a freind that came back from there and he pretty much agreed with the impressions you get from the TV news. Do you have experience that claims otherwise?
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I have read various reports from soldiers on the ground. Also, you can look at official websites that detail events going on in Iraq. Where do you think I get my "good news" to post? It sure isn't from the MSM - because they won't report on it - and we all know why.

CsG
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And I've seen plenty of good reports come out of Iraq too. And I learned it from the mainstream media. The left thinks the media is biased to the right and and the right thinks it s baised to the left. Seems pretty balanced to me. You're pretty radical, though, so I wouldn't expect you to agree.
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Yeah, I'm "radical" alright. A radical that believed the press should report the news - not be some activist. A radical that thinks our gov't and especially the Judiciary should follow the Constitution.
Yep - damn I'm radical.

Anyway - there are daily examples of progress and hope in Iraq, yet what do we get? That's right -we get the "negative".

CsG
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We get penty of positive too, it just irks you that they dare report the negative. But, honestly, there is a lot more negative coming out of there. Its a war zone, that's to be expected. But you are easily a radical. Its the vehemence by which you attack the left and your inability to acknowledge the good they do both now and in the past. Exactly as radical leftist attack the right. No amount of spin can hide how obviously radical you are.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
When you can act like a man, please let everyone in ere know.

Thanks.
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Oohh.... such a convincing argument!!!!!:roll:
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As is yours.

Are you agreeing with cconjur on his redefinition of safer?

Are you also agreeing with him that giving $25,000 to the families of homocide bombers is not supporting terrorism and did not povide incentive?

Are you also agreeing with his word twisting, obfuscation, and disregard for any sort of intellectual dishonesty concerning Clinton and OBL?

Or did you simply have to make a comment as a dues paying member of the liberal reach around club in here. Cause we all all know it's more important to back your ideological kind than to admit the thruth, ain't it? :roll:
 

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Anyway - there are daily examples of progress and hope in Iraq, yet what do we get? That's right -we get the "negative".

CsG
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Yep. That big ole $200,000,000,000 pork social program rebuilding stuff in Iraq that WE tore down and was working before we arrived. Yep, nothing like a new school in Iraq to make me feel great about paying taxes! Bushshit! :roll:


 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
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Amputations account for 2.4 percent of all wounded in action in the Iraq war
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Which makes about 250 amputees
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And the rest of that quote:

twice the rate in World War I and World War II, said Chuck Scoville, the amputee program manager of Walter Reed. Sophisticated body armor and medical techniques in the battlefield have preserved lives but not necessarily limbs.
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I really dont know what you are trying to say here as I thought it was common knowledge that armor and meditech was saving lives.

It almost sounds like you want more deaths and less amputees(this is the tradeoff). Please clarify the intentions of this post.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
OK, I'll restate - 10% casualty rate with 1% fatalities.
The 9% in between would have been a much higher number if our
medical work hadn't improved since the technology during 'Nam.

Don't loose sight of the extent of the injury to the survivors though,
they are much more catostrophic than past encounters have been.
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When you consider *all* injuries which comply with the Pentagon definition, we're talking well over 30,000 injured (includes mental illness, physical ailments from being in theater, etc.)
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Actually about 23,000.

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There are well over 30,000 that are considered injured according to the Pentagon definitions. I can't find the thread up here but I believe it was covered on a PBS documentary. Perhaps on NOW with Bill Moyers.
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Well until you find it, I will take my information as being accurate.
 
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Why do you think the media is not portraying the war over there accurately. I have a freind that came back from there and he pretty much agreed with the impressions you get from the TV news. Do you have experience that claims otherwise?
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I have read various reports from soldiers on the ground. Also, you can look at official websites that detail events going on in Iraq. Where do you think I get my "good news" to post? It sure isn't from the MSM - because they won't report on it - and we all know why.

CsG
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And I've seen plenty of good reports come out of Iraq too. And I learned it from the mainstream media. The left thinks the media is biased to the right and and the right thinks it s baised to the left. Seems pretty balanced to me. You're pretty radical, though, so I wouldn't expect you to agree.
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Yeah, I'm "radical" alright. A radical that believed the press should report the news - not be some activist. A radical that thinks our gov't and especially the Judiciary should follow the Constitution.
Yep - damn I'm radical.

Anyway - there are daily examples of progress and hope in Iraq, yet what do we get? That's right -we get the "negative".

CsG
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We get penty of positive too, it just irks you that they dare report the negative. But, honestly, there is a lot more negative coming out of there. Its a war zone, that's to be expected. But you are easily a radical. Its the vehemence by which you attack the left and your inability to acknowledge the good they do both now and in the past. Exactly as radical leftist attack the right. No amount of spin can hide how obviously radical you are.
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No, it doesn't "irk" me that they report the "bad" news.😛 I want to see them report the good along with the bad because they are supposed to be reporters - not the activists they've become. Now exactly where is all this good news in the MSM? I read the news everyday and I see them portray the "bad" events in the news and little if any on the "good". Heck, even here when one of us posts some "good" news the haters swarm in with their negativity links from the MSM.
Ah yes, if you think that being a radical = attacking those who are trying to destroy what I believe in and attack my ideals -then yes - I'm a radical. However by those standards most everyone here is a radical - we fight against those who oppose our ideals. But anyway, I really could care less what you think a "radical" is or if I fall into your little definition. I will continue to fight for what is right. But I do have a question for you - why does it matter to you if I am a "radical" - does this somehow change things? Do you think it marginalizes me or my positions? Do you equally apply this the majority of posters here? Just trying to see how intellectually honest you are being with your little definition.🙂

CsG
 
I think we should take like the 12 nastiest criminals we can find, get a really gruff Major to lead them and create a new Dirty Dozen for the 21st century.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...l_nm/bush_inaugural_dc
Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld went to the MCI Center in Washington for an event called "Saluting Those Who Serve" that honored war veterans and the valor of the fallen in conflicts from the Revolutionary War to Iraq.

Among the 7,000 people in the audience were troops wounded in combat, 75 family members of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and as many as 80 winners of the Congressional Medal of Honor, the highest military award. The event was beamed to troop gatherings in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush told the troops that "much more will be asked of you in the months and years ahead."

"In Afghanistan and Iraq, the liberty that has been won at great cost now must be secured. We still face terrorist enemies who wish to harm our people, and are seeking weapons that would allow them to kill on an unprecedented scale. These enemies must be stopped, and you are the ones who will stop them."
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He can salute them, but he has continually cut V.A. benefits, which in turn makes it nearly impossible for vets to see a doctor, let alone get any and all tests that these vets deserve (if needed). This is just another publicity stunt, which utilizes combat victims as pawns for Bush's blood lust. I wonder how many of those military personal suffer from post tramatic disorder. How many of them get the appropriate mental health treatment, which they deserve? The more Bush "requires" of the troops, the more he'll disgard them in the years to come, after his/her (hopeful) return.

OOOOH, can you smell FEAR in this article?
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Originally posted by: conjur
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...l_nm/bush_inaugural_dc
"In Afghanistan and Iraq, the liberty that has been won at great cost now must be secured. We still face terrorist enemies who wish to harm our people, and are seeking weapons that would allow them to kill on an unprecedented scale. These enemies must be stopped, and you are the ones who will stop them."

"PROMISE OF LIBERTY"

Reflecting a theme for his inaugural address on Thursday, Bush said "the promise of liberty is spreading across the world" and cited Iraq's scheduled Jan. 30 elections, which insurgents are trying to derail with bloodshed.

"In other words, since I'm not going to run for office again people don't have to view me as a threat and hopefully that will enable people from both parties to come together to get some big things done for the country," he told Fox News.
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I love how liberty MUST be secured....I guess this just shows the world that good ol' G.W. can change and manipulate any word bc of his divine right, at a drop of his cowboy hat. Yeee HAWWW!
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Originally posted by: brokendolly
Originally posted by: conjur
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...l_nm/bush_inaugural_dc
Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld went to the MCI Center in Washington for an event called "Saluting Those Who Serve" that honored war veterans and the valor of the fallen in conflicts from the Revolutionary War to Iraq.

Among the 7,000 people in the audience were troops wounded in combat, 75 family members of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and as many as 80 winners of the Congressional Medal of Honor, the highest military award. The event was beamed to troop gatherings in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush told the troops that "much more will be asked of you in the months and years ahead."

"In Afghanistan and Iraq, the liberty that has been won at great cost now must be secured. We still face terrorist enemies who wish to harm our people, and are seeking weapons that would allow them to kill on an unprecedented scale. These enemies must be stopped, and you are the ones who will stop them."
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He can salute them, but he has continually cut V.A. benefits, which in turn makes it nearly impossible for vets to see a doctor, let alone get any and all tests that these vets deserve (if needed). This is just another publicity stunt, which utilizes combat victims as pawns for Bush's blood lust. I wonder how many of those military personal suffer from post tramatic disorder. How many of them get the appropriate mental health treatment, which they deserve? The more Bush "requires" of the troops, the more he'll disgard them in the years to come, after his/her (hopeful) return.

OOOOH, can you smell FEAR in this article?
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VA benefits have not been cut or even frozen for that matter.
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Originally posted by: charrison



VA benefits have not been cut or even frozen for that matter.
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Hmmm...did you hear that on television? ooh, I know Rush told you.
If you actually went to the House Commitee for Vet. Affairs, you would find an interesting article that dates back only to 2003. This article breaks down any myths you may have had, in regards to VA benefits, especially by declaring that the already "approved federal budget reduced funding for veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly 25 billion". It continues on to a very easy to follow breakdown of how the cut will affect resources, availability of hospital staff, living benefits, etc.
http://veterans.house.gov/demo...08th/3-13-03budget.htm

 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Why do you think the media is not portraying the war over there accurately. I have a freind that came back from there and he pretty much agreed with the impressions you get from the TV news. Do you have experience that claims otherwise?
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I have read various reports from soldiers on the ground. Also, you can look at official websites that detail events going on in Iraq. Where do you think I get my "good news" to post? It sure isn't from the MSM - because they won't report on it - and we all know why.

CsG
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And I've seen plenty of good reports come out of Iraq too. And I learned it from the mainstream media. The left thinks the media is biased to the right and and the right thinks it s baised to the left. Seems pretty balanced to me. You're pretty radical, though, so I wouldn't expect you to agree.
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Yeah, I'm "radical" alright. A radical that believed the press should report the news - not be some activist. A radical that thinks our gov't and especially the Judiciary should follow the Constitution.
Yep - damn I'm radical.

Anyway - there are daily examples of progress and hope in Iraq, yet what do we get? That's right -we get the "negative".

CsG
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We get penty of positive too, it just irks you that they dare report the negative. But, honestly, there is a lot more negative coming out of there. Its a war zone, that's to be expected. But you are easily a radical. Its the vehemence by which you attack the left and your inability to acknowledge the good they do both now and in the past. Exactly as radical leftist attack the right. No amount of spin can hide how obviously radical you are.
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No, it doesn't "irk" me that they report the "bad" news.😛 I want to see them report the good along with the bad because they are supposed to be reporters - not the activists they've become. Now exactly where is all this good news in the MSM? I read the news everyday and I see them portray the "bad" events in the news and little if any on the "good". Heck, even here when one of us posts some "good" news the haters swarm in with their negativity links from the MSM.
Ah yes, if you think that being a radical = attacking those who are trying to destroy what I believe in and attack my ideals -then yes - I'm a radical. However by those standards most everyone here is a radical - we fight against those who oppose our ideals. But anyway, I really could care less what you think a "radical" is or if I fall into your little definition. I will continue to fight for what is right. But I do have a question for you - why does it matter to you if I am a "radical" - does this somehow change things? Do you think it marginalizes me or my positions? Do you equally apply this the majority of posters here? Just trying to see how intellectually honest you are being with your little definition.🙂

CsG
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I absolutely believe that most of the posters here are radicals. I believe that I'm more moderate than most of the liberal posters here but compared to the joe average out there I am NOT a moderate. So I'd say that I'm being quite intellectually honest. And I'm not labeling you as a radical because you fight for your beliefs... every warm blooded american should. Its the fact that you seem unable to find merit in any liberal view. Moderates tend to agree with one party or the other on most things but they also cross party lines on issues too.

As to why I care. I get a little annoyed that people here like to say that they are moderates or at the very least deny that they are quite clearly far leaning left or right. They try to say that there views are somehow closer to the average american than the other sides. But both sides here are wrong. Your both argueing from the far left and right bases of the party. People that are moderate in general don't post here. There are a few exceptions but if you look at the consistnent posters they're not moderate and do a disservice to the debate and the lower their credibility when they imply otherwise.

Now having said that there is no shame in being radical. Being radical doesn't somehow make you wrong. And moderates aren't somehow better. Its all just relative differences in political ideology. It would just be nice to here people be honest about where they lie in the political spectrum.
 
Originally posted by: brokendolly
Originally posted by: charrison



VA benefits have not been cut or even frozen for that matter.
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Hmmm...did you hear that on television? ooh, I know Rush told you.
If you actually went to the House Commitee for Vet. Affairs, you would find an interesting article that dates back only to 2003. This article breaks down any myths you may have had, in regards to VA benefits, especially by declaring that the already "approved federal budget reduced funding for veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly 25 billion". It continues on to a very easy to follow breakdown of how the cut will affect resources, availability of hospital staff, living benefits, etc.
http://veterans.house.gov/demo...08th/3-13-03budget.htm
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VA funding has gone up every year.
Also remember that VA population base is not exactly growing as 1500 WWII vets are passing away every day.
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
I think we should take like the 12 nastiest criminals we can find, get a really gruff Major to lead them and create a new Dirty Dozen for the 21st century.
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They're already in the White House and leading the Pentagon.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
I have never gone that far across the line.
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Fvcking dumbass grunt. Hope he fries.
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Get

A

Fvcking

Life

And

Stop

Stalking

Me
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You made the claim - you got "pwned". That isn't stalking, but if you think it is - maybe you should get a lawyer. I hear it's all the rage these days...

CsG
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
And you don't think some here would like to see a bigger body count to help turn opinion against the war? Come on now - don't kid yourself...

CsG
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There might be one or two but your comment was addressed to Conjur and I see no evidence that Conjur is one of those who feel that way.
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You might want to reconsider this opinion of conjur as he does not want to answer the simple question.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
And you don't think some here would like to see a bigger body count to help turn opinion against the war? Come on now - don't kid yourself...

CsG
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There might be one or two but your comment was addressed to Conjur and I see no evidence that Conjur is one of those who feel that way.
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You might want to reconsider this opinion of conjur as he does not want to answer the simple question.
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All you guys do is partake in one upmanship. How are we suppose to take any of you seriously?
 
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