uhhh you are kinda read into the article a little bit too much there. if you were reading it correctly, the writer meant to say he now also "knows" kobe cheated on his wife (referring to the existing case) and not that kobe has cheated before.
uhhh you are kinda read into the article a little bit too much there. if you were reading it correctly, the writer meant to say he now also "knows" kobe cheated on his wife (referring to the existing case) and not that kobe has cheated before.
I'm sick of people saying there has to be a change of venue. That is just pure racism talking. You are saying the white people in Colorado are racist by virtue of being white. Conversely, you don't see the irony by suggesting Kobe will get off with blacks on the jury.
Totally meaningless unless you're Kobe's lawyer and trolling for any angle you can get.
Uh...yeah. All the more reason she wouldn't cry "RAPE" unless she were actually raped, right? I mean, if she's been having sex with NBA players already then we're not dealing with a case where the innocent little white girl succumbed to the charms of Kobe, felt bad about it later, and decided to call it rape. If she likes getting with the NBA guys, why make yourself kryptonite by accusing a player unless....oh gosh....I dunno.....he actually did rape her? If she's taking the gold-digging angle, why didn't she accuse the first NBA player she boinked of raping her....they're all pretty much millionaires, right?
What does being a Raiders or Chargers fan have anything to do with this? All I said was that gigapet was voicing his opinion. Relax, buddy. You seem to get so worked up over little things.
And, by the way, go Chargers!
Evidence against gigapet:
There is no legitamit (sic) motive for rape.
Verdict:
You make the call.
Closing statement:
There is no legitamit (sic) motive for rape.
Verdict:
You make the call.
Just random info: the prosecutor Mark Hurlbert was appointed in December 2002 to fill a vacancy due to a resignation, and will be up for election in 2004.
Source: State of Colorado
-Ed
Source: State of Colorado
-Ed
Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS
Really intelligent of you. Can see that you are a winner in life.
Why yes I am. How astute of you to notice, "dawg".
- M4H
more breaking news (from radio):
the faber family has asked the local cops for protection now that their information has been posted all over the internet.
the faber family has asked the local cops for protection now that their information has been posted all over the internet.
F the local measures. I'd be hopping to the FBI and getting enrolled in the Witness Protection Program, stat.
- M4H
You're whole argument is based on the assumption that she's a rational person.
Is attempting suicide a rational act? I somehow doubt it. Also, if you'll do a little bit of reading you'll hear people say that suicide attempts are more often crys for help than actual attempts at ending their lives. Crys for help, in that they're trying to get someone to love, comfort, and care about them. You don't think telling someone you've been raped would fulfill most of those needs? Btw, when did I ever say she was taking the gold digging angle? Try reading a little closer.
Also, despite your assumption based reasoning the fact that she's a groupie is still important. Because if she is (and coming from a reputable source like Newsweek it's hard to doubt) that makes her nothing more than a slut. Slut's are not typicaly the most credible people. And when it comes to a case like this where there are no other witnesses (excluding physical evidence) credibility is everything. Doesn't mean it's right, just means that's the way it is. Disagree all you want but that's just the way the world works.
As far as guilt is concerned, I'll wait for the trail. I think a change of venue should be considered, because that city is relatively small. It would be difficult (but not impossible) for them to pick a jury of 12 people who don't know the victim, her friends, or her family.
As far as the victim's info being posted, well... the Constitution grants the accussed the right to confront the accusser in court. I don't think it grants the public the right to confront her. The reality is though, this is about a famous person that many people like, so public attacks against his accusser were certain from the get-go.
Yes she od'ed. There were a number of circumstances that lead up to it. Mainly she had a close friend die in an auto accident, on top of several other things that happened in the same short time span.
Also under Colorado law(and the vast majority of states), a womens past has no bearing on a rape case. If she slept with other NBA players, so far its just rumors, and not fact, it can not be mentioned in court. The reason being is its just smearing a person. A prostitute can be raped, any women can be raped. Period, her sexual past is irrelevant to the court. Her OD will be entered in court but there were alot of extenuating circumstances at the time she did that.
Its pretty sad, everyones making up sh!t, with knowing FVCKING NOTHING BUT RUMORS. Lets wait until court for the FACTS TO COME OUT before smearing her. The venue will likely be changed to Denver. Its pretty sad everyones defending Kobe when they have ZERO evidence either way, but then smear this girl. Kobe is a bastard any way you slice it, it will be up to a jury to find if hes a rapist.
Also there doesnt have to be a motive for rape. Alot of rapes are a heat of the moment thing.
Also under Colorado law(and the vast majority of states), a womens past has no bearing on a rape case. If she slept with other NBA players, so far its just rumors, and not fact, it can not be mentioned in court. The reason being is its just smearing a person. A prostitute can be raped, any women can be raped. Period, her sexual past is irrelevant to the court. Her OD will be entered in court but there were alot of extenuating circumstances at the time she did that.
Its pretty sad, everyones making up sh!t, with knowing FVCKING NOTHING BUT RUMORS. Lets wait until court for the FACTS TO COME OUT before smearing her. The venue will likely be changed to Denver. Its pretty sad everyones defending Kobe when they have ZERO evidence either way, but then smear this girl. Kobe is a bastard any way you slice it, it will be up to a jury to find if hes a rapist.
Also there doesnt have to be a motive for rape. Alot of rapes are a heat of the moment thing.
If she was raped, there will be alot of people sued. If shes was raped, she will be able to sue any media outlet that invaded her right to privacy in this matter, she will also be able to sue for defamation of character.
Newsweek, July 28 issue
[/quote]When Kobe Bryant was arrested two weeks ago after a 19-year-old Colorado woman accused him of sexual assault, the reaction from friends and fans was almost universal: that?s just not like Kobe.
IT SEEMED IMPOSSIBLE that the 24-year-old Los Angeles Laker, best known for his signature slam dunks and megawatt smile, could commit such a crime. But on Friday, the Eagle County, Colo., district attorney, Mark Hurlbert, charged Bryant with felony sexual assault. Now, as the basketball star prepares to convince a jury that his only crime was ?the mistake of adultery,? not rape, friends and fans are wondering this: who is Kobe Bryant?
Bryant?s life on the court has been an open book?from his leap straight out of high school to the NBA in 1996 to his public rivalry with team captain Shaquille O?Neal. Yet even those who should be familiar with Bryant?s every move admit the young man in the No. 8 jersey is something of an enigma. ?I think a lot of people never really got to know Kobe at all,? says fellow Laker Rick Fox, adding that Bryant was hard to connect with, even from the very beginning. When he arrived in Los Angeles, Bryant would dress and undress in a separate part of the Laker locker room, and to this day he prefers to hole up in his hotel room after road games instead of partying with his teammates. ?He kept to himself and we let him do that. I can only imagine what it was like for him then, being so isolated,? Fox says. Other teammates are less diplomatic: ?The way he was so into his wife, you figured he would never stray from her. He was too goody-two-shoes to do that,? says one. ?But obviously we didn?t know him as well as we thought.? So secretive was Bryant that he apparently didn?t even tell Laker management that he had gone to Colorado for knee surgery, the reason for his June 30 stay at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, where the alleged victim was working at the front desk.
Kobe?s friends say race was small part of the family?s problem: Kobe?s wife, Vanessa, is half Hispanic and half white. But mostly ?they thought she had too much control over him and that he was way too wrapped up in her,? the friend says. ?He didn?t even get a prenup. That?s how whipped he was. Other guys in the business tried to tell him, but that?s how Kobe is, stubborn to a fault and never listening to anybody about anything, even his family.? When Bryant went home to Philadelphia for last year?s All-Star Game and took home the MVP award, his family was nowhere in attendance, and the local crowd booed him for disloyalty to their city. ?I guess I never realized how people felt about me,? he told NEWSWEEK at the time. ?I never saw a problem with the way I handled things. I was trying to be me.?
Despite the criminal charge, the Lakers say they have no intention of keeping Bryant out of the lineup when training camp starts in September?assuming he fully recovers from the knee surgery. But it remains to be seen how much play he?ll get once his trial is underway after an Aug. 6 arraignment. For now, the team is hoping that the recent addition of Karl Malone and Gary Payton will somehow distract fans? attention from Bryant?s troubles. The NBA has made no official comment, but sources say the league will just wait it out and let Bryant?s legal team do its job.[/quote]
Everyone only knows Kobes public persona, no one knows how he is behind closed doors.
Nows where is this supposed Newsweek story that she was a "NBA Groupie". If Newsweek did have a story, Im assuming for the August 4 edition, it would be plastered all over Drudgereport because Drudge has moles in Newsweek.
[/quote]When Kobe Bryant was arrested two weeks ago after a 19-year-old Colorado woman accused him of sexual assault, the reaction from friends and fans was almost universal: that?s just not like Kobe.
IT SEEMED IMPOSSIBLE that the 24-year-old Los Angeles Laker, best known for his signature slam dunks and megawatt smile, could commit such a crime. But on Friday, the Eagle County, Colo., district attorney, Mark Hurlbert, charged Bryant with felony sexual assault. Now, as the basketball star prepares to convince a jury that his only crime was ?the mistake of adultery,? not rape, friends and fans are wondering this: who is Kobe Bryant?
Bryant?s life on the court has been an open book?from his leap straight out of high school to the NBA in 1996 to his public rivalry with team captain Shaquille O?Neal. Yet even those who should be familiar with Bryant?s every move admit the young man in the No. 8 jersey is something of an enigma. ?I think a lot of people never really got to know Kobe at all,? says fellow Laker Rick Fox, adding that Bryant was hard to connect with, even from the very beginning. When he arrived in Los Angeles, Bryant would dress and undress in a separate part of the Laker locker room, and to this day he prefers to hole up in his hotel room after road games instead of partying with his teammates. ?He kept to himself and we let him do that. I can only imagine what it was like for him then, being so isolated,? Fox says. Other teammates are less diplomatic: ?The way he was so into his wife, you figured he would never stray from her. He was too goody-two-shoes to do that,? says one. ?But obviously we didn?t know him as well as we thought.? So secretive was Bryant that he apparently didn?t even tell Laker management that he had gone to Colorado for knee surgery, the reason for his June 30 stay at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, where the alleged victim was working at the front desk.
Kobe?s friends say race was small part of the family?s problem: Kobe?s wife, Vanessa, is half Hispanic and half white. But mostly ?they thought she had too much control over him and that he was way too wrapped up in her,? the friend says. ?He didn?t even get a prenup. That?s how whipped he was. Other guys in the business tried to tell him, but that?s how Kobe is, stubborn to a fault and never listening to anybody about anything, even his family.? When Bryant went home to Philadelphia for last year?s All-Star Game and took home the MVP award, his family was nowhere in attendance, and the local crowd booed him for disloyalty to their city. ?I guess I never realized how people felt about me,? he told NEWSWEEK at the time. ?I never saw a problem with the way I handled things. I was trying to be me.?
Despite the criminal charge, the Lakers say they have no intention of keeping Bryant out of the lineup when training camp starts in September?assuming he fully recovers from the knee surgery. But it remains to be seen how much play he?ll get once his trial is underway after an Aug. 6 arraignment. For now, the team is hoping that the recent addition of Karl Malone and Gary Payton will somehow distract fans? attention from Bryant?s troubles. The NBA has made no official comment, but sources say the league will just wait it out and let Bryant?s legal team do its job.[/quote]
Everyone only knows Kobes public persona, no one knows how he is behind closed doors.
Nows where is this supposed Newsweek story that she was a "NBA Groupie". If Newsweek did have a story, Im assuming for the August 4 edition, it would be plastered all over Drudgereport because Drudge has moles in Newsweek.
Also about the change of venue stuff people keep bringing up.
It will likely be moved to Denver. The Eagle County DA office will still be prosecuting the case, so this whole thing about someone named Faber, not known if they are releated to the victim, has nothing to do with a change of venue. If the Faber that works in the DAs office is releated to the alleged victim, she will not be working on the case.
It will likely be moved to Denver. The Eagle County DA office will still be prosecuting the case, so this whole thing about someone named Faber, not known if they are releated to the victim, has nothing to do with a change of venue. If the Faber that works in the DAs office is releated to the alleged victim, she will not be working on the case.
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It's called a jury of your peers not a jury by a bunch of white folks that see a black person maybe twice a year. Kobe needs to give a call to old Johnny Cochrane. Also, she is a local and he is some big city hotshot.
There is no way in hell he can get a fair trial in Eagle County, and this is coming from a non-black guy who does not even like Kobe and likes him even less after hearing him admit the he committed adultery.
Like I said it will be moved to Denver. Theres no reason it wont. It would be next to impossible to get a jury pool in Eagle County irregardless of the racial makeup of the county.
Uh....yeah thanks for the insight on suicide. I never picked up on that in my 32 years.
As for the "gold-digging" thing; that wasn't specifically directed at you but it has been brought up as motive for her to falsely accuse Kobe of rape to it bears mentioning.
As I've already said, everything anyone says in this thread is "assumption-based reasoning" since none of us actually know jack sh*t about what happened. I was merely presenting an alternative look at this supposed revelation that she's an NBA groupie. Even if she is, it doesn't really mean anything toward the outcome of the trial since you can look at it two ways; my way and your way in this case. Oh, and for the record, "sluts" can still be raped. Hopefully the judge in this trial will throw the book at the defense if they start pulling that kind of crap with regard to her past sexual history. This is not the 18th century.
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