Biden prime time speech thread

[fskimospy]

I would ask who the bad men and good men are.

Do you agree that Biden’s concerns are legitimate? I think they are.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Anyone else watching? Biden is launching a (justifiable) prime time rebuke against MAGA.

Very surprised at how many times he's mentioned MAGA. Very clear that MAGA supporters!=Republicans.

he’s throwing the R’s a lifeline

 

[Zorba]

Imagine thinking Biden is like Trump to the point of becoming Trump lite. That shows how far gone when the self called moderates are this nuts

Imagine making the argument "Biden has basically become Trump lite, therefore I must vote for Trump!"

 

[Fanatical Meat]

he’s throwing the R’s a lifeline

That’s exactly how I see it. He is clearly framing MAGA & plain old Republicans as separate entities. Basically you don’t have to like me and I don’t expect votes from you, I do expect regular Republicans to not support a dictator wanna be.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Imagine making the argument "Biden has basically become Trump lite, therefore I must vote for Trump!"

THATSAGREENMAN!!

 

[ch33zw1z]

That’s exactly how I see it. He is clearly framing MAGA & plain old Republicans as separate entities. Basically you don’t have to like me and I don’t expect votes from you, I do expect regular Republicans to not support a dictator wanna be.

personally, I think it’s futile. Trump didn’t transform the party, he capitalized on decades of indoctrination, lies, agitprop, etc…

remove trump, and the disease remains. He’s a symptom

my .02

but good on Biden for the effort. Should get moonbeam all hot and bothered.

 

[Greenman]

Do you agree that Biden’s concerns are legitimate? I think they are.

I don't. There are plenty of idiots talking about doing stupid things, but very few actually take action.
The stupidity needed to produce that shit show is staggering. Did no one look at that, turn around and say "uh guy's, I don't think this what we're after". It's hard for me to imagine someone thinking they'd nailed it. Unless they were actually going for the evil psychopath vibe, in which case, well done. I'll bet Trump is green with envy over that production.

On the plus side, that speech and the visuals have made for some epic memes.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

personally, I think it’s futile. Trump didn’t transform the party, he capitalized on decades of indoctrination, lies, agitprop, etc…

remove trump, and the disease remains. He’s a symptom

my .02

but good on Biden for the effort. Should get moonbeam all hot and bothered.

Eh... a lot of people think they aren't something they are. It's pretty easy to manipulate them enough to drive a wedge between them. Show them a mirror and they might hand you the wedge themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

he’s throwing the R’s a lifeline

I don't. There are plenty of idiots talking about doing stupid things, but very few actually take action.
The stupidity needed to produce that shit show is staggering. Did no one look at that, turn around and say "uh guy's, I don't think this what we're after". It's hard for me to imagine someone thinking they'd nailed it. Unless they were actually going for the evil psychopath vibe, in which case, well done. I'll bet Trump is green with envy over that production.

On the plus side, that speech and the visuals have made for some epic memes.

So to be clear you think republicans are not trying to overthrow democracy?

 

[ch33zw1z]

So to be clear you think republicans are not trying to overthrow democracy?

did you see how poorly constructed those gallows on 1/6 were? Not a real attempt!

 

[eelw]

did you see how poorly constructed those gallows on 1/6 were? Not a real attempt!

Exactly. He showed skepticism Jan 6. So yeah he’s going to be an useful idiot on this in plain sight rigging of future elections.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would ask who the bad men and good men are.

Yes, I know. That is exactly what a person who wishes to do the right thing would ask. But the additional problem brought up in the quote is will you or will you not trouble yourself to use your mind on the subject. But that is not how I look at the issue. It is not a matter to me of will you or will you not assume a proper moral inquire, one that can affirm or cast doubt on your moral character.

For me the question is, could you do so if you were even so inclined. For me it is not a moral question. I already acccept you as a moral person. As a person who has spent no small amount of time looking at my own inner motivations in light of what I have been advised as to what I would see, I am of the opinion that because we have no idea of what it is we really feel, our will to the good is irrelevant in light of the fact that we are not able to see why we believe as we do. We assume that what we personally believe is the good is in fact the real good. The facts as I see them is that they are not.

For that reason, try as you might to be open-minded, you won't be able to do it so long as you are a believer. I say this owning to the fact that when I went looking for the truth it turned out to be that I knew nothing at all, that everything morally important didn't matter. There is only the Nothing and whatever may be when you accept it. I believe that when that happens it won't be a question as to who is good and who is evil as a matter of belief, but that the truth will be self evident.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I don't. There are plenty of idiots talking about doing stupid things, but very few actually take action.
The stupidity needed to produce that shit show is staggering. Did no one look at that, turn around and say "uh guy's, I don't think this what we're after". It's hard for me to imagine someone thinking they'd nailed it. Unless they were actually going for the evil psychopath vibe, in which case, well done. I'll bet Trump is green with envy over that production.

On the plus side, that speech and the visuals have made for some epic memes.

I mean, it was all talk on Jan 6 too wasn't it? Until it wasn't. For all we know a thousand more people and we'd have had a major problem. I do agree, I don't think we are headed towards a civil war just yet. People like their beer too much to take the time to actively run around the country in mass trying to kill the browncoats.

 

[Moonbeam]

personally, I think it’s futile. Trump didn’t transform the party, he capitalized on decades of indoctrination, lies, agitprop, etc…

remove trump, and the disease remains. He’s a symptom

my .02

but good on Biden for the effort. Should get moonbeam all hot and bothered.

I fully support calling the Maggot crowd out for who they are as Biden has done. But a maggot is just a maggot, it feeds of putrefaction, a food source and not something anybody is required to hate it for, especially when, like you, what you hoped to insult me by imagining me all hot and bothered by something good, it just happens because you are all hot and bothered by the totally absurd notion you have in your head as to who I am. You are seeing yourself and calling it me.

 

[Greenman]

Yes, I know. That is exactly what a person who wishes to do the right thing would ask. But the additional problem brought up in the quote is will you or will you not trouble yourself to use your mind on the subject. But that is not how I look at the issue. It is not a matter to me of will you or will you not assume a proper moral inquire, one that can affirm or cast doubt on your moral character.

For me the question is, could you do so if you were even so inclined. For me it is not a moral question. I already acccept you as a moral person. As a person who has spent no small amount of time looking at my own inner motivations in light of what I have been advised as to what I would see, I am of the opinion that because we have no idea of what it is we really feel, our will to the good is irrelevant in light of the fact that we are not able to see why we believe as we do. We assume that what we personally believe is the good is in fact the real good. The facts as I see them is that they are not.

For that reason, try as you might to be open-minded, you won't be able to do it so long as you are a believer. I say this owning to the fact that when I went looking for the truth it turned out to be that I knew nothing at all, that everything morally important didn't matter. There is only the Nothing and whatever may be when you accept it. I believe that when that happens it won't be a question as to who is good and who is evil as a matter of belief, but that the truth will be self evident.

My view is a far more mundane than that, and well off center. In the political arena the issues are rarely about facts, but about beliefs, and the desire to get others to behave a certain way. This is where I diverge. I find tribalism very off-putting, though necessary. It also invariably carries a dishonesty that I find repulsive. In this venue I don't dare make the claim that both sides do it, as that will lead to an average of five outraged responses.

I can prove that the MAGA crowd isn't bent on the end of democracy by simply pointing out that they didn't end it when they had the chance. Yes, a lot of them believe the election was rigged, but I don't see city's burning, I don't see daily riots, I don't see armed insurrection. They get a lot of hate for how they think, not how they act.

 

[Greenman]

So to be clear you think republicans are not trying to overthrow democracy?

Nope. Don't believe it for a second.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I fully support calling the Maggot crowd out for who they are as Biden has done. But a maggot is just a maggot, it feeds of putrefaction, a food source and not something anybody is required to hate it for, especially when, like you, what you hoped to insult me by imagining me all hot and bothered by something good, it just happens because you are all hot and bothered by the totally absurd notion you have in your head as to who I am. You are seeing yourself and calling it me.

wrong, it wasn’t an insult. Look in the mirror bruh.

 

[MrSquished]

My view is a far more mundane than that, and well off center. In the political arena the issues are rarely about facts, but about beliefs, and the desire to get others to behave a certain way. This is where I diverge. I find tribalism very off-putting, though necessary. It also invariably carries a dishonesty that I find repulsive. In this venue I don't dare make the claim that both sides do it, as that will lead to an average of five outraged responses.

I can prove that the MAGA crowd isn't bent on the end of democracy by simply pointing out that they didn't end it when they had the chance. Yes, a lot of them believe the election was rigged, but I don't see city's burning, I don't see daily riots, I don't see armed insurrection. They get a lot of hate for how they think, not how they act.

You don't like dishonesty yet you compare Biden to Trump. The most dangerous extremists are those who think they are closer to center than any kind of extremist. It's bonkers.

 

[skyking]

The purpose of the speech is to juice dem turnout in November. Polling shows that over 70% of registered dems believe democracy is at risk. While the other 30% probably aren't paying enough attention. And the polls also say dems put the issue as the number 1 top priority.

What I find interesting about the polling is that it's mainly the dems who think democracy is at risk. Since polling also shows that over half of republicans think the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, wouldn't you think that over half of them would say democracy is at risk in a poll? I mean, how can you believe a presidential election was stolen, and presumably also believe that the tools remain to steal future elections, and not believe democracy is at risk?

Unless a sizeable chunk of the people saying the election was stolen don't actually believe the election was stolen...

in a nutshell what you have stated rings true. It's only stolen if it is stolen from US.

 

[Moonbeam]

wrong, it wasn’t an insult. Look in the mirror bruh.

When you accuse someone of reacting in a manner they clearly oppose when they are not acting in that manner except as you project that on them, it is an insult based on what projection really is, that within you, you deny is there because if it were you would find it insulting. You acquired that need to protect as a result of insults you were exposed to long ago.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Well, wonder if he'll be like "thanks for making my point for me"?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-speech-denouncing-trump-maga-ideology-sparks-threats-calls-for-violence-003139767.html

 

[cytg111]

I would ask who the bad men and good men are.

How about men that bring about legislation that 10 year old incest victims must carry to term? I'd say anyone who wears those colors are bad men. You disagree with that specific position but still put on the colors? You a bad man. There is not middle room, no grey area, no debate. You go straight to hell.

 

[Moonbeam]

My view is a far more mundane than that, and well off center. In the political arena the issues are rarely about facts, but about beliefs, and the desire to get others to behave a certain way. This is where I diverge. I find tribalism very off-putting, though necessary. It also invariably carries a dishonesty that I find repulsive. In this venue I don't dare make the claim that both sides do it, as that will lead to an average of five outraged responses.

I can prove that the MAGA crowd isn't bent on the end of democracy by simply pointing out that they didn't end it when they had the chance. Yes, a lot of them believe the election was rigged, but I don't see city's burning, I don't see daily riots, I don't see armed insurrection. They get a lot of hate for how they think, not how they act.

This is based on the different weight we place on different moral concerns. Your concern is that liberals are trying to get you to to abandon your sacred moral beliefs for their own selfish political ends. I lost those kinds of fears, thank God. That allows me to not have those fears which means they don’t distort my vision.

I don’t see such behavior as repulsive. I see it as programming. That I was programmed to despise manipulating people when I tried manipulating people and got punished for that behavior does not mean I have to feel that way today. I don’t have the ego belief any more that such behavior is evil. I saw that I was flattering myself by believing I wasn’t like that.

You are only not like that when whether you are or not is of equal unimportance.

We are talking, not about what is but what the Megas actually feel. They are cowards so we won’t see violence but I can see the violence is there and it will manifest when the success for revolution surmounts the fear of going first. That danger is obvious unless you think you have bad character if you see it. Jan 6 was a mass psychosis event. People died.

Part of the contempt of corrupters of important values is that it’ what we are actually doing toourselves, every day of the week.

 

[ImpulsE69]

How about men that bring about legislation that 10 year old incest victims must carry to term? I'd say anyone who wears those colors are bad men. You disagree with that specific position but still put on the colors? You a bad man. There is not middle room, no grey area, no debate. You go straight to hell.

Eh, you realize that is debatable right? Especially on the grounds of religion. I'm not in any way saying I disagree with you, but the whole concept of anti abortion is based around religious beliefs, not non-religious beliefs. If all life is sacred, even one born of evil deeds is still sacred in their eyes (at least that's how it is spun). Now if we could convince those same people that shooting people and blowing people up regardless of the reason is no less sinful.

 

[sportage]

Maybe politics and free democracy are a bad thing after all?
Maybe if we were a dictatorship, we would never have to worry or mess with politics ever again. The dictator would control the politics, the media would be controlled by the dictator, with never a discouraging word to be heard.

Shit would happen, then the dictator would have an excuse, and that would be the end of that. No news media spin, no insurrections, no left vs right, no FBI investigations, and no one would need care. We could go back to focusing on the important things like Paris Hilton and the Kardashians. You know... life in America as it should be.
And just think, no more of those nasty, never-ending election cycles. Those money hungry, back stabbing, brain-mush creating, political corrupting election cycles. Under our beloved dictator, we would need no elections. Never again. YEA!!!

And dare someone act-up or create a fuss about how things are being ran, that person would simply disappear. Go Bye Bye. MIA. No Fox News spin, no Sean Hannity ass kissing, no Rachael Maddow outrage.
Now, wouldn't that be a lot better of a system?
It wouldn't even matter whether or not Donald Trump or Joe Biden or Sarah Palin were the dictator, it wouldn't matter. Let them fight it out for themselves and leave us out of it. Let their militaries assassinate and destroy each other and just leave us alone.
May the best dictator win....

We would be told by our dictator that everything in America is fine, just fine, peachy fine, and we could forget about politics and elections and getting our panties all in a wad over which side is screwing which side politically. It wouldn't matter. We could care less.
We had better not care....

Yea, lets do the dictator thing and just skip entirely the midterms and 2024. Let the wannabe dictators fight it out and just leave us alone. With todays distrust in government, from both sides, could a dictatorship be any worse? We're screwed from the left, we're screwed from the right, we're screwed whichever party controls the power so F... it all and lets just become a dictatorship and everything will be peachy.

By the way folks.... where is it assumed that a free democracy, or American democracy better known as "THE EXPERIMENT" was meant to succeed in the first place? After all, it was and always has been only... AN EXPERIMENT.
So, what ya think????
Shall we call up Donald and give him the good news?