Republicans claiming that Biden called them all out is pure nonsense. But anyone who thinks that TFG is the rightfully elected President in the 2020 election is obviously a MAGGAT and deserves to be called out.
sactoking
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Really anyone that thinks he is the rightfully elected president in the 2020 election is just ignorant of the implications of their assertion. You'd think these "patriots" would have read and comprehended the document they profess to love so much. Amendment 22:
(emphasis added)
Notice that it specifically says "elected", not "served." If they want to contend that he won in 2020 that only means that he can never be elected again without regard to the fact that he never served that term.
Nice. Reminds me of a great scene from POTC:
"You have a debt to pay. You've been captain of the Black Pearl for 13 years. That was our agreement."
"Technically I was only captain for two years, then I was viciously mutinied upon."
"Then you were a poor captain, but a captain nonetheless. Have you not introduced yourself all these years as Captain Jack Sparrow?"
Let’s rewind back to 2016. Yes fine lots of Dems chanted not my president. And in Jan 6, 2017, a few congress members did challenge the electoral votes. But idiotic Repugnicans attempt to compare that to what’s been happening these past 2 years.
What would you call it then when a political party clearly and unambiguously loses an election and then the leader of that party attempts to overturn the results to make him win anyway?
Lezunto
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When Moonbeam urged those of us who oppose Trump and his supporters to do so intelligently, I agreed.
I believe the following news link is part of what we're espousing:
www.nbcnews.com
I believe the following news link is part of what we're espousing:
Internet services company Cloudflare blocks Kiwi Farms citing 'targeted threats'
After one of the website's targets went public with the harassment, Cloudflare dropped the platform, which has become synonymous with online terror.
www.nbcnews.com
What they did was question the integrity of the voting process. That's happened in the past, and will happen again. The real question here is, did it change the outcome of the election? We both know the answer to that.
Did we have months of rioting after the election? Were city's burned? Was there armed insurrection and looting? What we had were questions blown out of proportion to generate likes and clicks. All sorts of people just love to fire up the sub 100 IQ crowd.
While it’s true that they lied about questioning the integrity of the voting process, what they actually did was create slates of fake electoral college electors and tried every method possible to get the VP to throw out lawful ones and replace them with their fake ones to illegally seize power. Also known as a coup.
Also ‘we tried a coup but failed’ is not an excuse.
Uhmmm, yes, there was an armed insurrection where Republicans attempted to capture or kill our elected leaders to overturn the election. It was on TV. Did you miss it?
Seriously, you know this as well as I do. Republicans tried to end democracy in the United States in 2021.
Here’s another video of Republicans questioning voting integrity.
Is questioning the process illegal? Have those fake electors been charged with a crime? If they broke the law they need to face the consequences, I'm all for that course of action. Was there intent to throw the results of the election, or was it a matter of moving forward based on information/advice they had at the time?
Headlines are a fine thing, but it's rare that they tell the entire story. You're trying to convince me of a condition that I don't believe exists. I don't believe the vast majority of republican's want to overthrow our democratic form of government. Quite the opposite actually.
Headlines are a fine thing, but it's rare that they tell the entire story. You're trying to convince me of a condition that I don't believe exists. I don't believe the vast majority of republican's want to overthrow our democratic form of government. Quite the opposite actually.
No. And if all they had done was question the process nobody would have cared. Instead they tried a coup and attempted to capture or kill our elected leaders.
Looks like they will be charged soon as numerous fake electors have been informed they are targets of a grand jury investigation.
Regardless yes, there was undeniable intent to throw the results of the election. They moved forward with slates of electors that did not comply with the law. Then Republicans tried to get those fake electors counted instead of the real ones so they could illegally seize power.
This was a coup attempt.
I don’t believe the vast majority of Republicans want to overthrow our democratic form of government either. This does not change the fact that Republicans did attempt to overthrow our democratic form of government and they did so at the urging of the head of the Republican Party.
We need principled conservatives to abandon the party that attempted a coup and join liberals in defeating them. I think we both agree that democracy is more important than any public policy and the Republican Party in its current form represents a direct threat to democracy.
hal2kilo
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Why won't the leaders of this glorious Republican party make statements disassociating themselves with what happened on Jan. 6th. They almost universally have not. There is your answer.
zinfamous
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There was very specifically and obviously an armed insurrection and looting. It happened in front of everyone's eyes. I wonder why you didn't see it? Is it because you don't think white people can be considered armed, or can be considered looters?
Do you think looting the capitol building isn't real looting?
what the fuck is this noise that I'm reading--how can any adult claim that there was no armed insurrection and no looting? The fuck is wrong with you?
zinfamous
No Lifer
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You aren't paying any fucking attention. Hell, right now your preferred masters are running a slavery and child sex ring in Missouri, and it looks like they've been doing it for decades, and with impunity.
I guess this is also OK with you.
The country, and probably the world, can't survive the GOP. You support a terrorist organization, and you are very much part of the problem as long as you remain blind to your support of terrorism.
I didn't watch the speech but if he did call them out--good. They need to be called out. The GOP started the war and Trump and his army of zealots escalated it. Call it what it is.
One way or another I think it's very likely there will be hugely increased violence in the next couple years, and no amount bending over and appeasing the Trumpists is going to avert it. Either he runs and wins (likely) in 2024 and goes apeshit--which I believe he will, exacting revenge on everyone and everything that has "wronged" him--or he loses and starts inciting his worshippers in a way that will make 2020 look quaint.
Might as get the civil war on (it's already on). I used to hope that the worst GOP supporters might just die off of old age and the party fades too much to win elections, but they've managed to tie into an ugly vein that runs through America. Let the fuckers peel off and form the Confederacy like they've always wanted to, I'll have to move out of Jesusland but that's ok. Abortion and non-church education can be outlawed along with immigration, gays and pesky gross stuff like interracial relation. Paradise for white Christians, and a better nation for the other half with those people gone.
One way or another I think it's very likely there will be hugely increased violence in the next couple years, and no amount bending over and appeasing the Trumpists is going to avert it. Either he runs and wins (likely) in 2024 and goes apeshit--which I believe he will, exacting revenge on everyone and everything that has "wronged" him--or he loses and starts inciting his worshippers in a way that will make 2020 look quaint.
Might as get the civil war on (it's already on). I used to hope that the worst GOP supporters might just die off of old age and the party fades too much to win elections, but they've managed to tie into an ugly vein that runs through America. Let the fuckers peel off and form the Confederacy like they've always wanted to, I'll have to move out of Jesusland but that's ok. Abortion and non-church education can be outlawed along with immigration, gays and pesky gross stuff like interracial relation. Paradise for white Christians, and a better nation for the other half with those people gone.
Captante
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Ask yourself what it would cost you to be able to come to believe that fskimospy is right? Imagine if he sees what he sees not out of a political bias or some misaligned moral premise but because he is an honest and decent person who has, just like you, to believe and advocate for the truth he sees.
I believe that if you look at the evidence you both claim to be factual, that Republicans don't generally want to overthrow democracy and that in fact they support and supported a violent coup attempt, the difference between one opinion and the other amounts to cognitive dissonance. A violent coup attempt isn't a violent coup attempt if you are only acting to preserve democracy which would be true if Trump had won the election.
It is that inability especially pronounced on the conservative side and scientifically proven that causes conservatives more than liberals to deny reality. It hurts to lose and when the loser is on the side of God it becomes more difficult still. All those fanatical partisan believers that went hunting for Pence's head were there to deliver his just deserts. They are holy warriors, not bad people, because they can not look at themselves and see what is really there. They were taught to hate evil and to be good at the same time. But hate is evil and it always comes out rationalized as right and proper.
What you want is to be on the side of good which is good but you can't forget about questioning what the good is. In this case I think you have it wrong. Actually, I feel that way. I spent a long time fooling myself in believing that what I believed was the good really was. It's not fun to discover that one is wrong.
Brainonska511
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Or a coup rehearsal. Perhaps a coup-experiment, by the coup-curious? I'm pretty sure they learned a lot from the exercise. Biden's speech I take as a positive sign that maybe he learned something as well.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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Green Man is so in denial it's insane. It was a concerted effort by many Republican officials to overthrow the election. And they got very close to almost overturning Georgia and possibly one other state. If one state flipped to Trump under his pressure, which many wanted to do, the whole election would have been called the sham and he would have stayed in power.
All coup attempts don't succeed on the first try. And it often just makes people hungrier to do it better than next time. That is what we see with Trump, many of the Republican politicians running for office, and a ton of his followers, which is tens of millions of people. They still want to continue the process they started in 2020.
If you have seen some of the speeches by the secretaries of State the Republicans are nominating in various states, they they believe The election in 2020 was stolen. And they are running to fix that. Except nothing was broken. The Republican party is electing people that are continuing the lie that 2020 was stolen in order to justify policies that they can implement if they can win in November to fix things that aren't broken. AKA make it easier to overthrow an election next time.
I mean when you the majority of Maga believing the election was stolen, to them overthrowing democracy is not a coup, but rather saving democracy. Except it's really a coup. So yes, they support overthrowing our democracy.
Biden is completely right to call out the Maga Republican party for who they are. His biggest mistake was using the word semi fascist because they are full-on fascist.
We have seen how they are using government to punish companies who have any views they disagree with. An other key element of fascism.
That's happening in Texas that's happening in Florida and other states. These are the more acceptable Republican politicians. Full on fascists
All coup attempts don't succeed on the first try. And it often just makes people hungrier to do it better than next time. That is what we see with Trump, many of the Republican politicians running for office, and a ton of his followers, which is tens of millions of people. They still want to continue the process they started in 2020.
If you have seen some of the speeches by the secretaries of State the Republicans are nominating in various states, they they believe The election in 2020 was stolen. And they are running to fix that. Except nothing was broken. The Republican party is electing people that are continuing the lie that 2020 was stolen in order to justify policies that they can implement if they can win in November to fix things that aren't broken. AKA make it easier to overthrow an election next time.
I mean when you the majority of Maga believing the election was stolen, to them overthrowing democracy is not a coup, but rather saving democracy. Except it's really a coup. So yes, they support overthrowing our democracy.
Biden is completely right to call out the Maga Republican party for who they are. His biggest mistake was using the word semi fascist because they are full-on fascist.
We have seen how they are using government to punish companies who have any views they disagree with. An other key element of fascism.
That's happening in Texas that's happening in Florida and other states. These are the more acceptable Republican politicians. Full on fascists
I think this is the sort of thing that should make people nervous about the next election.
It's probably being repeated, if not with public statements as in this case, then more quietly, in multiple parts of the electoral and political system - moderates and relatively-sane Republican activists or office-holders deciding not to be so active in future or retiring from political posts, and professional administators quitting because they can't take the threats and the other lunacy any more.
Before long only the crazies and perpetually-angry people will be left. Dominating every meeting and running the whole electoral system.
www.npr.org
It's probably being repeated, if not with public statements as in this case, then more quietly, in multiple parts of the electoral and political system - moderates and relatively-sane Republican activists or office-holders deciding not to be so active in future or retiring from political posts, and professional administators quitting because they can't take the threats and the other lunacy any more.
Before long only the crazies and perpetually-angry people will be left. Dominating every meeting and running the whole electoral system.
A Texas county's election administrators all resigned, leaving the state to step in
In conservative Gillespie County, the elections administrator and her two deputies have resigned, with at least one citing threats fueled by misinformation.
www.npr.org
MrSquished
Lifer
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If you are still a Trump supporter, you are a fascist enemy of the state and democracy. If you say you don't support Trump but you vote for any Republican that supports his narrative, you are also supporting fascism and are also an enemy of the state.
And if you deny the reality of all the facts to the point that it's willful ignorance at what you deny of the obvious intentions of the Republican party under Trump and his continued supporters that are both running for office and in office now, which are many and include powerful people ,such as Kevin McCarthy and Elise stefanic, the ones and twos of Republican minority in the house. By being in denial you're also a threat to democracy and thus supporting fascism in your own way. Willful ignorance is no longer an excuse, you too are an enemy of the state and democracy and freedom
And if you deny the reality of all the facts to the point that it's willful ignorance at what you deny of the obvious intentions of the Republican party under Trump and his continued supporters that are both running for office and in office now, which are many and include powerful people ,such as Kevin McCarthy and Elise stefanic, the ones and twos of Republican minority in the house. By being in denial you're also a threat to democracy and thus supporting fascism in your own way. Willful ignorance is no longer an excuse, you too are an enemy of the state and democracy and freedom
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