Biden prime time speech thread

[Meghan54]

Green Man is so in denial it's insane. It was a concerted effort by many Republican officials to overthrow the election. And they got very close to almost overturning Georgia and possibly one other state. If one state flipped to Trump under his pressure, which many wanted to do, the whole election would have been called the sham and he would have stayed in power.

All coup attempts don't succeed on the first try. And it often just makes people hungrier to do it better than next time. That is what we see with Trump, many of the Republican politicians running for office, and a ton of his followers, which is tens of millions of people. They still want to continue the process they started in 2020.

If you have seen some of the speeches by the secretaries of State the Republicans are nominating in various states, they they believe The election in 2020 was stolen. And they are running to fix that. Except nothing was broken. The Republican party is electing people that are continuing the lie that 2020 was stolen in order to justify policies that they can implement if they can win in November to fix things that aren't broken. AKA make it easier to overthrow an election next time.

I mean when you the majority of Maga believing the election was stolen, to them overthrowing democracy is not a coup, but rather saving democracy. Except it's really a coup. So yes, they support overthrowing our democracy.

Biden is completely right to call out the Maga Republican party for who they are. His biggest mistake was using the word semi fascist because they are full-on fascist.

We have seen how they are using government to punish companies who have any views they disagree with. An other key element of fascism.

That's happening in Texas that's happening in Florida and other states. These are the more acceptable Republican politicians. Full on fascists

Let’s not forget that, in the interest of election “integrity,” GA’s legislature gave themselves the power to, upon seeing an election’s results and “questioning” the results, can disband that county’s election board, install replacements chosen by the Gov and Senate (both Repub) and then determine the “truth.”

The legislature can replace up to 4 county election boards per election, which essentially guarantees Repub rule for the foreseeable future.

Now talk to me about the Repub not cheating and stealing elections.

 

[ImpulsE69]

What they did was question the integrity of the voting process. That's happened in the past, and will happen again. The real question here is, did it change the outcome of the election? We both know the answer to that.
Did we have months of rioting after the election? Were city's burned? Was there armed insurrection and looting? What we had were questions blown out of proportion to generate likes and clicks. All sorts of people just love to fire up the sub 100 IQ crowd.

I do not have an issue with questioning the process or challenging it. I also did not have a problem with the recounts. What I took major issue with is the proclamation of a rigged election (he's been stating this for years as early as 2012 when Obama won). Once he was elected in 2016 he never stopped complaining that the election was rigged. An election HE WON. And then that narrative changed to they are trying to steal the election 6 months prior to the 2020 election. He ALWAYS planned to try to overturn the election by feeding the constant story that it was stolen. The republicans forever have shown they lack any integrity at all by going along with it aside from a select few who have been ostersized from the party.

Now, let's give him the benefit of a doubt that he knew something we didn't and indeed the election had been stolen, he and his cronies made multiple claims stating they had tons of evidence. Oddly, it's now 2022 and that evidence has never been brought forward. You don't just make claims like that and expect everyone to just accept it. Even if you make the claim that 'everyone is involved' the GOP were in charge. Is he seriously trying to make us all believe that Biden somehow managed to get all these repubicans to rig an election for him? No, he was relying on the anger he had stirred up to make none of the common sense matter. He made zero attempts to pacify the people involved.

It's not that hard to find out about Trump and his past. It was easily available before he ever considered running. It is all out there. People just choose to ignore it. Anyone saying the capitol incident was nothing, really does not care about democracy. Lives were lost. More lives should have been lost after it was over. Many years ago, people who lost such an attempt (and it WAS an attempt) would have all been executed. Trump at the very least was happy it was happening. He was only disappointed it wasn't more people.

 

[Vic]

Just a friendly reminder that if the Republicans win a sufficient number of seats this year, those "Constitutional absolutist" conservatives intend to invoke an Article V convention where they can rewrite the entire Constitution. And then you can kiss your freedoms goodbye.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Just a friendly reminder that if the Republicans win a sufficient number of seats this year, those "Constitutional absolutist" conservatives intend to invoke an Article V convention where they can rewrite the entire Constitution. And then you can kiss your freedoms goodbye.

These days, I think they would all go along with it as long as they got to keep their guns.

 

[Moonbeam]

These days, I think they would all go along with it as long as they got to keep their guns.

I think they would be less inclined to go along with it if the liberal majority of the country owned as many guns. The one good thing about fear is that it brings out cowardliness and a hesitation to pick on anybody but the weak. And all of that is stimulated in the imagination. Is law and order a paper tiger? Are liberals door mats?

 

[VRAMdemon]

Holy shit! .... Donnie Jr seems just a little wasted. I'm surprised they haven’t taken this slurry rambling word salad down yet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1566295523346333696

“Choooooo Biden is whaaat shtants between us and a nuclar cabable Jina”

Lol ...

Does he not know there’s been “a nuclear-capable China” since 1964?

No, of course he doesn’t.

 

[VRAMdemon]

There was very specifically and obviously an armed insurrection and looting. It happened in front of everyone's eyes. I wonder why you didn't see it? Is it because you don't think white people can be considered armed, or can be considered looters?

Do you think looting the capitol building isn't real looting?

what the fuck is this noise that I'm reading--how can any adult claim that there was no armed insurrection and no looting? The fuck is wrong with you?

Yeah, it boggles the mind someone could actually hand wave away what happened on J6. They were armed with riot gear, body armor, zip ties, pepper/bear spray, some with guns and various other weapons and used whatever they could find to beat police and break in, ransack and looted the capital. Does he think they were there to play tiddlywinks?

The large majority of them were not organized, but there was a very serious core of activists/extremists who were obviously very organized and who had a specific plan they were attempting to carry out. This is the dozens people who participated in Capitol advance scouting and who had maps of the building and who upon breach made beelines for the offices of key personnel with the intent of possibly capturing or harming them. These relative dozens deliberately surrounded themselves with a mob of usefully clueless MAGA-dolts as conscious camouflage for their targeted effort. In some cases, they came within literal yards of succeeding.

They, for some reason get misled by a few thousand disorganized dummies into generalizing and dismissing the threat that was clearly there. There is video, court confessions and mountains of paper and electronic evidence to the contrary.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Green Man is so in denial it's insane.

Greenman is not in denial at all! Why? Because Greenman actually believes there was no wrong done on January 6th!!
Greenman also actually believes that the banning of books is OK!! Greenman actually believes that we have no racial problems and that slavery, and such should NOT be taught in schools!
Greenman also believes that a woman should NOT be able to make choices concerning their own bodies!
Greenman also believes that Trump is above reproach even though Trump is a liar and a cheat and bum!!

See how that goes!! But those of us who read Greenman`s diatribe find it sad that Grenman cannot see the obvious. even when it is presented to him in a factual manner! Of course, in Greenman`s universe, Greenman will say whose facts!!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

of all the People the former President chooses to defend

Trump rally highlighting January 6 case of alleged Nazi sympathizer sparks criticism

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a member of the House panel investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection, on Sunday called out former President Donald Trump for featuring a speaker during his Saturday rally who highlighted the plight of a January 6 rioter and alleged Nazi sympathizer who was convicted on...

www.cnn.com

 

[blackangst1]

Let’s not forget that, in the interest of election “integrity,” GA’s legislature gave themselves the power to, upon seeing an election’s results and “questioning” the results, can disband that county’s election board, install replacements chosen by the Gov and Senate (both Repub) and then determine the “truth.”

The legislature can replace up to 4 county election boards per election, which essentially guarantees Repub rule for the foreseeable future.

Now talk to me about the Repub not cheating and stealing elections.

Which election did the GOP steal?

 

[soundforbjt]

Which election did the GOP steal?

We may know in about 60 or so days...

 

[Vic]

of all the People the former President chooses to defend

Trump rally highlighting January 6 case of alleged Nazi sympathizer sparks criticism

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a member of the House panel investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection, on Sunday called out former President Donald Trump for featuring a speaker during his Saturday rally who highlighted the plight of a January 6 rioter and alleged Nazi sympathizer who was convicted on...

www.cnn.com

But.. but.. Candance Owens told me the Nazis were Democrats!

 

[Vic]

Which election did the GOP steal?

Isn't it bad enough that they tried to steal the 2020 election? Or do they actually have to succeed before we're allowed to say anything about it?

 

[ivwshane]

Isn't it bad enough that they tried to steal the 2020 election? Or do they actually have to succeed before we're allowed to say anything about it?

According to some, a crime isn’t a crime unless there is a conviction.

 

[eelw]

According to some, a crime isn’t a crime unless there is a conviction.

But oddly only from one side of the political aisle.

 

[blackangst1]

Isn't it bad enough that they tried to steal the 2020 election? Or do they actually have to succeed before we're allowed to say anything about it?

Of course. But that wasnt the assertion. The statement was "Now talk to me about the Repub not cheating and stealing elections. So I was asking which election did they steal?

 

[ImpulsE69]

If you go by how jurisdictions and electoral college are constantly rigged in their favor, then all of them that they won?

But I digress, I do not think anyone has ever stolen a presidential election. I think it is far more likely that small local elections are stolen on occasion.

 

[ivwshane]

Pedantry, a sure sign of honest debate./eye roll

 

[Lanyap]

Just a friendly reminder that if the Republicans win a sufficient number of seats this year, those "Constitutional absolutist" conservatives intend to invoke an Article V convention where they can rewrite the entire Constitution. And then you can kiss your freedoms goodbye.

You called it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/second-constitutional-convention-republicans-want-113948818.html

 

[Lezunto]

According to some, a crime isn’t a crime unless there is a conviction.

According to others, if you scream loud enough, you can make an argument that someone needs to be executed.

What many cannot accept is that the election of Trump in 2016 marked the final death knell for decency and what passed for decades as decency and the rule of law.

 

[vi edit]

If you go by how jurisdictions and electoral college are constantly rigged in their favor, then all of them that they won?

But I digress, I do not think anyone has ever stolen a presidential election. I think it is far more likely that small local elections are stolen on occasion.

Depends on how loose you interpret "steal". If you wipe voting rolls, intimidate voters, removing voting locations, and generally just make it miserable for demographics you want to prevent a vote from...that's effectively stealing.

 

[Perknose]

Which election did the GOP steal?

Bush v. Gore.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Depends on how loose you interpret "steal". If you wipe voting rolls, intimidate voters, removing voting locations, and generally just make it miserable for demographics you want to prevent a vote from...that's effectively stealing.

Exactly, (which is loosely what I was saying), but it's more like manipulation. I guess we'll never know what a stolen election looks like until Trump shows us all that mountain of evidence he has that the democrats did it. *crickets*

 

[pete6032]

Which election did the GOP steal?

They attempted to steal the 2020 election but did not succeed.

Newly obtained surveillance video shows fake Trump elector escorted operatives into Georgia county's elections office before voting machine breach

A Republican county official in Georgia escorted two operatives working with an attorney for former President Donald Trump into the county's election offices on the same day a voting system there was breached, newly obtained video shows.

www.cnn.com

 

[blackangst1]

They attempted to steal the 2020 election but did not succeed.

Newly obtained surveillance video shows fake Trump elector escorted operatives into Georgia county's elections office before voting machine breach

A Republican county official in Georgia escorted two operatives working with an attorney for former President Donald Trump into the county's election offices on the same day a voting system there was breached, newly obtained video shows.

www.cnn.com

Attempted != stole.