Berlin terrorist suspect caught-dead update

[werepossum]

It is working for Japan. When was the last time there an Islamic attack in Japan? Is Japan hated by the Middle East? It literally has NONE of the problems associated with engagement in the Middle East that the rest of Western civilization has.

Good points.

Sigh

http://www.snopes.com/muslims-in-japan/

Wow, you and Snopes certainly made the straw fly.
Claim: Japan has been able to keep Islam at bay by enforcing very strict laws on Muslims.

Hmm, absolutely no one here said that or advocated it.

The point made by Desura was that we should get completely out of the Middle East, limit immigration from Islamic nations, and in general have as little involvement in the affairs of Islamic nations and peoples as is practical. Bshole pointed out that this approach works well for Japan. Since Japan grants almost no non-Japanese citizenship or permanent residency, they already have that part down pat, without needing any special rules on Muslims. Japan also has virtually nothing to do with Muslim nations except for business dealings, and it's only embassy in terrorism-exporting Islamic nations is (inexplicably) in Afghanistan. It is neither bombing Islamic nations nor overturning their bloody dictators for their own good, nor arming one faction against the government in search of freedom that few of them want, and it neither shuns nor protects Israel. Consequently Japan is seldom considered much in Islamic nations, and thus avoids the hate that we get.

It's hard to hate people you never see or hear from.

 

[Amused]

Good points.


Wow, you and Snopes certainly made the straw fly.
Claim: Japan has been able to keep Islam at bay by enforcing very strict laws on Muslims.

Hmm, absolutely no one here said that or advocated it.

The point made by Desura was that we should get completely out of the Middle East, limit immigration from Islamic nations, and in general have as little involvement in the affairs of Islamic nations and peoples as is practical. Bshole pointed out that this approach works well for Japan. Since Japan grants almost no non-Japanese citizenship or permanent residency, they already have that part down pat, without needing any special rules on Muslims. Japan also has virtually nothing to do with Muslim nations except for business dealings, and it's only embassy in terrorism-exporting Islamic nations is (inexplicably) in Afghanistan. It is neither bombing Islamic nations nor overturning their bloody dictators for their own good, nor arming one faction against the government in search of freedom that few of them want, and it neither shuns nor protects Israel. Consequently Japan is seldom considered much in Islamic nations, and thus avoids the hate that we get.

It's hard to hate people you never see or hear from.

This was the conversation:

fskimospy: "Yes I'm sure an immigration ban for Muslims followed by several decades of pretending not to see them is just what the doctor ordered for making Muslims like America more."

bshole: "It is working for Japan. When was the last time there an Islamic attack in Japan? Is Japan hated by the Middle East? It literally has NONE of the problems associated with engagement in the Middle East that the rest of Western civilization has."

Except there is no limit or ban on muslim immigration in Japan. No religious limits at all.

That was my point.

And sorry, but blaming, limiting or restricting all of a religion for a few extremists is like blaming all of Christianity for the KKK. It's absurd and a base violation of basic human rights.

Bigotry is bigotry, no matter your excuse. Blaming innocents for the actions of others based on nothing more than they share the same religion or national origin is just ignorant, no matter how you look at it.

 

[greatnoob]

Wow, you and Snopes certainly made the straw fly.
Claim: Japan has been able to keep Islam at bay by enforcing very strict laws on Muslims.

Hmm, absolutely no one here said that or advocated it.

It is working for Japan. When was the last time there an Islamic attack in Japan? Is Japan hated by the Middle East? It literally has NONE of the problems associated with engagement in the Middle East that the rest of Western civilization has.

Just because he didn't explicitly say "Japan has been able to keep Islam at bay by enforcing very strict laws on Muslims" does not mean he isn't making the same argument.
You even quoted it, you fucking idiot.

 

[MrSquished]

Japan has always had a very strict immigration policy

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-07/immigration-is-a-tough-one-for-japan-to-swallow

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ine-forces-need-foreign-workers/#.WFoDuhsrIuU

It is a very homogeneous society. THere are no specific laws against Muslims.

I suspect that the vast majority of Muslims want to emigrate to a Western society, of which Japan is not.

Using Japan is a stupid example.

 

[Blue_Max]

Japan has always had a very strict immigration policy

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-12-07/immigration-is-a-tough-one-for-japan-to-swallow

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ine-forces-need-foreign-workers/#.WFoDuhsrIuU

It is a very homogeneous society. THere are no specific laws against Muslims.

I suspect that the vast majority of Muslims want to emigrate to a Western society, of which Japan is not.

Using Japan is a stupid example.

So why aren't you championing "multiculturalism" for Japan? Why aren't you calling them racists?

Consistency would be nice... your lack of such tells a different story.

 

[MrSquished]

So why aren't you championing "multiculturalism" for Japan? Why aren't you calling them racists?

Consistency would be nice... your lack of such tells a different story.

I didn't know I lived in Japan. That's not where I live nor where I want to model my country's proclivities to.

Haven't even voiced my opinion on this subject yet.

I care about my country.

Why are you such a fucktwat?

 

[desura]

We don't owe Muslims in foreign countries anything. There is no human right to emigrate to the USA or Europe. There is only really a human right to self-determination and self rule. The problem with Muslims could be solved very simply. Just give up Islam. Take up the religion and culture of the host countries. Islam is merely a set of doctrines and ideas and there is nothing inherent in a person which makes them destined to always follow it. I'm still kind of amazed how the terrorist violence hasn't caused a crisis of faith with more Muslims. With all that has occurred there should be more Muslims abandoning the faith, similar to how many Europeans have abandoned their religion following scandals. There is a profound lack of self-reflection among Muslims.

We certainly are entitled to screen potential immigrants for aberrant ideas, however we here define them.

What I do know is that many of the Muslim attacks over the past five years came from people who were modestly Muslim but who likely became more extremist over time as they lived here. Often their parents or the 1st generation is actually moderate, but the 2nd generation becomes more extremist. Nidal Hasan at Ft. Hood for example. Syed Farook. The Orlando shooter. The Chattanooga shooter. In those instances, simply a general Islamic identification ended up being the background factor which led them to become terrorists, and if they were not Muslim at all they likely would not have become terrorists.

 

[Jaskalas]

Japan has always had a very strict immigration policy

Using Japan is a stupid example.

On the contrary. That is the EXACT policy we need.

 

[Blue_Max]

I didn't know I lived in Japan. That's not where I live nor where I want to model my country's proclivities to.
Haven't even voiced my opinion on this subject yet.
I care about my country.

Funny... you guys never STOP dictating how all western countries should operate, how they should all be taking in muslims (refugees of any other type can drown and die for all you care) or they're "white nationalists" etc.
...and yet are strangely silent regarding asian nations not cooperating with your goals, or western nations so deep in "multiculturalism" that they'll never come back from it.

Why are you such a fucktwat?

You'd think that of anyone whose views are contrary to that of the leftist collective.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

So why aren't you championing "multiculturalism" for Japan? Why aren't you calling them racists?

Consistency would be nice... your lack of such tells a different story.

Japan is very xenophobic, its no big secret. You would feel right at home with your fellow xenophobes (oh and misogynists) there except you would never fit in. Wrong race and all. But at least you are male.

On an unrelated note, Japan's participation in foreign wars since ww2 has been low.

 

[Blue_Max]

Japan is very xenophobic, its no big secret. You would feel right at home with your fellow xenophobes (oh and misogynists) there except you would never fit in. Wrong race and all. But at least you are male.

Ooooooo lookit' that! Why make a factual point when you can break out the good ol' racist/sexist trump-card.
Who would have EVER expected that?

BTW... is it "hate speech" that you just called the Japanese "racist, sexist misogynists"?

 

[greatnoob]

Ooooooo lookit' that! Why make a factual point when you can break out the good ol' racist/sexist trump-card.
Who would have EVER expected that?

We're still waiting for you to disprove the points in that Snopes article. So far you've only linked an opinion piece that says "they are leftists, their facts are untrue."

You should be the last one talking, you morbidly stupid wise and beautiful woman.

Hurry up...

 

[agent00f]

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make. Per my statement the country I grew up in was filled with "brownies." Since you brought up that racist term... I feel like I have to use it or you would not understand.

The point is it's OK for white peoples to kill brown ones & such given their respective social standings, and not so much the other way around. This is obviously advantageous to certain groups, especially when there's money in it. Thus desura and friends' "white country" proclamation is rather understandable, and the rest of conservatism's fealty to their narrative.

IOW, there are the racists, and rest of the half of the country looks the other way because their government subsidies depend on that racial totem. If middle easterners were white, it'd be quite a bit harder to stomach killing them wholesale.

In any case, it's hilarious that you actually believe you're the smart one just because the klan recruiters told you so.

 

[agent00f]

On the contrary. That is the EXACT policy we need.

Ooooooo lookit' that! Why make a factual point when you can break out the good ol' racist/sexist trump-card.
Who would have EVER expected that?

BTW... is it "hate speech" that you just called the Japanese "racist, sexist misogynists"?

We don't owe Muslims in foreign countries anything. There is no human right to emigrate to the USA or Europe. There is only really a human right to self-determination and self rule. The problem with Muslims could be solved very simply. Just give up Islam. Take up the religion and culture of the host countries. Islam is merely a set of doctrines and ideas and there is nothing inherent in a person which makes them destined to always follow it. I'm still kind of amazed how the terrorist violence hasn't caused a crisis of faith with more Muslims. With all that has occurred there should be more Muslims abandoning the faith, similar to how many Europeans have abandoned their religion following scandals. There is a profound lack of self-reflection among Muslims.

We certainly are entitled to screen potential immigrants for aberrant ideas, however we here define them.

What I do know is that many of the Muslim attacks over the past five years came from people who were modestly Muslim but who likely became more extremist over time as they lived here. Often their parents or the 1st generation is actually moderate, but the 2nd generation becomes more extremist. Nidal Hasan at Ft. Hood for example. Syed Farook. The Orlando shooter. The Chattanooga shooter. In those instances, simply a general Islamic identification ended up being the background factor which led them to become terrorists, and if they were not Muslim at all they likely would not have become terrorists.

Gotta protect those white womens countries.

 

[agent00f]

Snopes says Japan has roughly 100k Muslims. Japan has 127 million people, so 100k is 0.08% of the total population.

That is negligible, and explains why they have so few problems.

France OTOH has 7.7 million muslims at about 11% of the entire population. Humongous difference.

While Japan officially does not restrict Muslim immigration, in practice...anyone who is not Japanese has a hard time gaining residency and citizenship. For crying out loud, they discriminate against Koreans, who IMO are extremely similar to Japanese. If there were a large influx of Muslims to Japan, say 10 million, you bet there would be a huge negative response.

The muslims there were brought in as the cheap labor underclass not unlike blacks to the US. Good to know who's getting the proper blame for that and who needs to go back to where they came from. White power.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Gotta protect those white womens countries.

You know it's not a bad idea to build a huge wall on your border to keep out dangerous illegal and criminal immigrants and then to step up investigations into who you would legally allow to enter your country and the types of controls that would keep them from overstaying their visas. Hmmm, i wonder who might try such a plan?

 

[Blue_Max]

You know it's not a bad idea to build a huge wall on your border to keep out dangerous illegal and criminal immigrants and then to step up investigations into who you would legally allow to enter your country and the types of controls that would keep them from overstaying their visas. Hmmm, i wonder who might try such a plan?

France already started... funny how our Marxist lefties aren't in a tizzy about it. *shrug*

 

[agent00f]

You know it's not a bad idea to build a huge wall on your border to keep out dangerous illegal and criminal immigrants and then to step up investigations into who you would legally allow to enter your country and the types of controls that would keep them from overstaying their visas. Hmmm, i wonder who might try such a plan?

Good work, can't let them know how much you don't care for these indigenous looking types. Too bad the Real racists in arizona had to kick out patriot Joe Arpaio for putting them in their place.

 

[agent00f]

France already is... funny how our Marxist lefties aren't in a tizzy about it. *shrug*

Lesson learned I guess from a such poor job american did of keeping out them blacks.

 

[desura]

France already started... funny how our Marxist lefties aren't in a tizzy about it. *shrug*

I think France is already lost. I mean, over 10% of the country is Muslim. It's already permanently screwed.

There is a reason why people don't want to live in Muslim majority countries.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/another-secular-blogger-murdered-in-bangladesh/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35684452

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Good work, can't let them know how much you don't care for these indigenous looking types. Too bad the Real racists in arizona had to kick out patriot Joe Arpaio for putting them in their place.

If it works and helps to keep our citizens safer you can call it anything your little racist ass wants to call it.

 

[agent00f]

If it works and helps to keep our citizens safer you can call it anything your little racist ass wants to call it.

Cute when the klan types think that's how the label works. They were just keeping the white womens of the south safe, amiright.

 

[greatnoob]

I think France is already lost. I mean, over 10% of the country is Muslim. It's already permanently screwed.

There is a reason why people don't want to live in Muslim majority countries.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/another-secular-blogger-murdered-in-bangladesh/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35684452

The uneducated far right Muslims murdering the 'leftist' secularism-supporting Muslims... who would've guessed?

Ironically, you're very similar to them. Trump just needs to slowly strip away your rights, add some Breitbart propaganda to school curriculums, take away your jobs, lower wages and you'd be the same (if not worse) than the extremist Muslims you despise so much. Trump seems like he'll be very good at lowering wages, stripping rights and slowly fucking your economy..

 

[agent00f]

The uneducated far right Muslims murdering the 'leftist' secularism-supporting Muslims... who would've guessed?

Ironically, you're very similar to them. Trump just needs to slowly strip away your rights, add some Breitbart propaganda to school curriculums, take away your jobs, lower wages and you'd be the same (if not worse) than the extremist Muslims you despise so much. Trump seems like he'll be very good at lowering wages, stripping rights and slowly fucking your economy..

How can they be like them muslims when they're white.

 

[agent00f]

I think France is already lost. I mean, over 10% of the country is Muslim. It's already permanently screwed.

There is a reason why people don't want to live in Muslim majority countries.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/another-secular-blogger-murdered-in-bangladesh/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35684452

To make this real obvious, it's not just the "bad" ethnics types they don't particularly care for given their colleague Bannon's thoughts about too many successful asians as a threat to "civic", ie white, society.