Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

[J.Wilkins]

Bergdahl fucked up big time & was held prisoner for 5 years by the Taliban, then held in the service for 3 years under base arrest with his own protective security detail. All of that pretty much defines Hell in my book. Obama should have commuted any possible sentence on his way out so that the ravers could just STFU. Charge him with whatever they want, give him a dishonorable discharge & move on.

No, he needs to face justice in the nation of those he wronged.

He needs to be in prison for the rest of his life or, preferably, sentenced to death.

I hate to say that and I know others will think it's heartless but that is the only punishment fit for the crime committed AND the only punishment worthy of a traitor.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, he needs to face justice in the nation of those he wronged.

He needs to be in prison for the rest of his life or, preferably, sentenced to death.

I hate to say that and I know others will think it's heartless but that is the only punishment fit for the crime committed AND the only punishment worthy of a traitor.

Gawd. The Army never should have taken Bergdahl after he washed out of the Coast Guard, fer crissakes, let alone put him in combat. It's not like we're engaged in an existential struggle in Afghanistan, either, the kind of struggle that demands near universal participation by our population. That's different. The whole thing became folly a long time ago, a struggle we can't win on terms we're willing to accept. We've just been treading water as we send off more young men to get fucked in the head, maimed & killed, Bergdahl among them

 

[J.Wilkins]

Gawd. The Army never should have taken Bergdahl after he washed out of the Coast Guard, fer crissakes, let alone put him in combat. It's not like we're engaged in an existential struggle in Afghanistan, either, the kind of struggle that demands near universal participation by our population. That's different. The whole thing became folly a long time ago, a struggle we can't win on terms we're willing to accept. We've just been treading water as we send off more young men to get fucked in the head, maimed & killed, Bergdahl among them

I think you got that backwards, that he was not forced into service is not a point in his favour at all.

We could have won Afghanistan if we had even tried but we didn't, we didn't want a war that would be swift and effective so we made one that never ends per the design it's fought.

That has nothing to do with Bergendahls actions though and doesn't excuse them in the least.

 

[ElFenix]

serial season 2 was about this and is a pretty good listen.

 

[MajinCry]

you should be banned for your racist post. i though that any form of racism was not allowed here.

racist mother fucker

Yet again, you do the "I know you are but what am I" shtick. You really do pine for your childhood days, huh?

It's due to Americans that you weren't raised in an actual Nazi nation, as opposed your bullshit accusations of Nazism.

And it's all due to Americans that innocent Afghanis are being slaughtered as we speak. It's all due to Americans that innocent Vietnamese were slaughtered and raped by the millions. It's all due to the Americans that Cuba suffered Batista's dictatorship. It's all due to the Americans that US marines overthrew Haitian democracy. It's all due to the Americans that Saudi Arabia is slaughtering Yemenis with US heavy ordinance.

Etc., etc.

You're arguing in defense of someone who plainly stated that murderous and rapacious American soldiers, are more important than hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghans. You'll find that Nazis had the same thought about Germans over Jews.

Me and him disagree on many... MANY things, he for some reason thinks I hate America and I think I love America and hate what is done to the nation...

BUT, he is one of the very few that I would trust when it comes to these things and to even suggest that he'd condone torture, murder and rape?

He would probably be happy to charge them with ever crime he could if he had knowledge of them doing that...

He is mistaken about me and about the deal about the US but he has a fuckload of integrity, something you'll never have.

If Bergendahl would be British, I'd have no problem dealing with him if asked to do so. The man is a traitor and a scoundrel who endangered (if anyone died is irrelevant) others lives as he played pretend in a war zone. You will never get this but if you do that, you ARE the enemy.

We just went through this. Bergendahl stated the atrocious behaviour of his fellow soldiers, with it reading like something straight out of the Invasion of Vietnam. I'd consider any individuals, who joke with glee about crushing children, to be the enemy. Those who do evil, are the enemy, not innocent civilians that are slaughtered, raped and tortured.

I take it you also agree with the sentiment, that a handful of American soldiers are more valuable than innocent Afghan civilians? Soldier worship isn't what I'd call a moral ideal.

 

[MajinCry]

No, he needs to face justice in the nation of those he wronged.

He needs to be in prison for the rest of his life or, preferably, sentenced to death.

I hate to say that and I know others will think it's heartless but that is the only punishment fit for the crime committed AND the only punishment worthy of a traitor.

Do you also call for the death penalty for soldiers that killed innocent civilians? Or do white soldiers get a free pass when they murder brown people?

 

[zinfamous]

oh good grief, i call a deserter a coward and now im a Nazi. get back to the sewer with you scum bag.

I agree that deserters are cowards and should be punished according to the laws that they swore to uphold when they signed on--and it's not that I disagree with them for whatever reason they may desert, especially if it is for a good cause--you still accept the punishment for your decisions.

the issue people are having here, with you and others, is claiming what seems to be a roundly-supported falsehood perpetuated by right-leaning fake news: that 6 men died searching for him. That seems to be a complete lie.

Does your opinion on the matter change when such blood is not on his hands? Is it possible, maybe, to accept that you were swallowing a false story?

 

[Jhhnn]

I think you got that backwards, that he was not forced into service is not a point in his favour at all.

We could have won Afghanistan if we had even tried but we didn't, we didn't want a war that would be swift and effective so we made one that never ends per the design it's fought.

That has nothing to do with Bergendahls actions though and doesn't excuse them in the least.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. The whole "we coulda won!" routine wrt Afghanistan is the same bullshit as wrt Vietnam.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Yadda, yadda, yadda. The whole "we coulda won!" routine wrt Afghanistan is the same bullshit as wrt Vietnam.

Did you pull out almost all forces from Vietnam while taking over the last part? No you didn't and thus it's a retarded point to make and completely wrong.

While troops were getting ready to take out the northern caves and wipe out AQ and the remaining Taliban they were called off, everyone was pulled off the mission and sent back to camp.

Why? To go to Iraq, now to ensure the spread of terrorism into Iraq it was ordered that the border remained open and not guarded to let AQ migrate into Iraq.

This is all well known by literally everyone but you idiots who proclaim "nothing could be done".

That is the standard of everything for your nation "nothing can be done", isn't it. You're carrying that flag right now.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Do you also call for the death penalty for soldiers that killed innocent civilians? Or do white soldiers get a free pass when they murder brown people?

Absolutely, for war crimes like that there is only life in prison or the death penalty, no exclusions.

Now what?

You don't have a fucking clue who you are talking to you moronic fucktard.

 

[MajinCry]

Absolutely, for war crimes like that there is only life in prison or the death penalty, no exclusions.

Now what?

You don't have a fucking clue who you are talking to you moronic fucktard.

So you agree that those who slaughter innocents should also be sentenced to death. Unlike OutHouse, who stated that the lives of soldiers are infinitely more valuable than innocent Afghans.

I'm glad we're on the same page there; that the lives of soldiers are not in fact more valuable, but just as valuable as the innocents they have slain.

The next point, is that the deaths of those six soldiers were not caused by the deserter. That, and desertion is by no means an immoral act, if the army they're a part of is immoral; e.g, an invading army, like the US'.

 

[J.Wilkins]

So you agree that those who slaughter innocents should also be sentenced to death. Unlike OutHouse, who stated that the lives of soldiers are infinitely more valuable than innocent Afghans.

I'm glad we're on the same page there; that the lives of soldiers are not in fact more valuable, but just as valuable as the innocents they have slain.

The next point, is that the deaths of those six soldiers were not caused by the deserter. That, and desertion is by no means an immoral act, if the army they're a part of is immoral; e.g, an invading army, like the US'.

Slaughtering innocents is a war crime that is punished by death in almost all nations but at the very least with life imprisonment and it's well deserved.

I've always felt that the lives of those who soldiers and police are meant to protect are more valuable than those of the military and police and in the UK that is actually a pretty unanimous view and it's supported by law.

A cop that beats up a civilian will expect a harsher punishment than a civilian that beats up a cop because the copper is betraying not only his duty but all the people he is supposed to protect as well.

In the US it kinda seems to be the other way around with coppers and the military, do whatever the fuck you please, rape a baby and it's OK since you are such a representative of patriotism and nationalism and everyone must worship you for it no matter whatever the fuck you do...

Support the troops my arse, support the people.

 

[Jhhnn]

Did you pull out almost all forces from Vietnam while taking over the last part? No you didn't and thus it's a retarded point to make and completely wrong.

While troops were getting ready to take out the northern caves and wipe out AQ and the remaining Taliban they were called off, everyone was pulled off the mission and sent back to camp.

Why? To go to Iraq, now to ensure the spread of terrorism into Iraq it was ordered that the border remained open and not guarded to let AQ migrate into Iraq.

This is all well known by literally everyone but you idiots who proclaim "nothing could be done".

That is the standard of everything for your nation "nothing can be done", isn't it. You're carrying that flag right now.

Spiffy string of conspiracy theories. The bit about leaving the border open is particularly telling, given that the two countries have no common border & as if doing so was ever a practical consideration.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Spiffy string of conspiracy theories. The bit about leaving the border open is particularly telling, given that the two countries have no common border & as if doing so was ever a practical consideration.

Well known facts are conspiracy theories in the minds of the retarded fucks.

In reality, all of this is well known to everyone who has any clue on the situation and it's public information, 15K troops were left to hold base as the Iraqi invasion started and the Afghanistan war was going up north at the time.

But hey, 'murica can't do no wrong and that the orders are actually printed and well known to everyone outside of the US who are still convinced that their nation was started by puritans trying to escape oppression or that they saved lives through nuking Japan or that they were the saviours of WWII are still going to believe their falsehoods no matter what.

It's just the way your brainwashing works...

Also, Trump is great and if you disagree you are a conspiracy theorist because facts don't matter, only nationalism and patriotism matters as you have so aptly demonstrated here.

Iraq and Afghanistan had no common border... LMAO... where did you find that tidbit? StormFront or breitbart?

There was a border for a good 60 years that was in effect and we wanted to secure it but were ordered not to.

 

[MajinCry]

There is also the fact that America intended for Afghanistan to be a long, drawn out war with no end in sight.

The biggest sign was when the Taliban asked for evidence of Bin Laden's guilt. The US refused to make any contact whatsoever; surely if the US was morally inclined, they would have at the very least pursued all non-violent channels of getting Bin Laden. Instead, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocents, had to be raped, murdered, and tortured.

And now that Bin Laden's dead, the US is still in Afghanistan. Funny how that works out.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well known facts are conspiracy theories in the minds of the retarded fucks.

In reality, all of this is well known to everyone who has any clue on the situation and it's public information, 15K troops were left to hold base as the Iraqi invasion started and the Afghanistan war was going up north at the time.

But hey, 'murica can't do no wrong and that the orders are actually printed and well known to everyone outside of the US who are still convinced that their nation was started by puritans trying to escape oppression or that they saved lives through nuking Japan or that they were the saviours of WWII are still going to believe their falsehoods no matter what.

It's just the way your brainwashing works...

Also, Trump is great and if you disagree you are a conspiracy theorist because facts don't matter, only nationalism and patriotism matters as you have so aptly demonstrated here.

Iraq and Afghanistan had no common border... LMAO... where did you find that tidbit? StormFront or breitbart?

There was a border for a good 60 years that was in effect and we wanted to secure it but were ordered not to.

Feel free to point out where Iraq shares a border with Afghanistan

 

[Jhhnn]

Well known facts are conspiracy theories in the minds of the retarded fucks.

In reality, all of this is well known to everyone who has any clue on the situation and it's public information, 15K troops were left to hold base as the Iraqi invasion started and the Afghanistan war was going up north at the time.

But hey, 'murica can't do no wrong and that the orders are actually printed and well known to everyone outside of the US who are still convinced that their nation was started by puritans trying to escape oppression or that they saved lives through nuking Japan or that they were the saviours of WWII are still going to believe their falsehoods no matter what.

It's just the way your brainwashing works...

Also, Trump is great and if you disagree you are a conspiracy theorist because facts don't matter, only nationalism and patriotism matters as you have so aptly demonstrated here.

Iraq and Afghanistan had no common border... LMAO... where did you find that tidbit? StormFront or breitbart?

There was a border for a good 60 years that was in effect and we wanted to secure it but were ordered not to.

Maybe you can explain this-



Or is that fake news?

Troop levels did not drop during the invasion of Iraq. There were only ~15K troops in the first place-

Even Kellyanne does better alternate facts than you do....

 

[werepossum]

Yet again, you do the "I know you are but what am I" shtick. You really do pine for your childhood days, huh?

And it's all due to Americans that innocent Afghanis are being slaughtered as we speak. It's all due to Americans that innocent Vietnamese were slaughtered and raped by the millions. It's all due to the Americans that Cuba suffered Batista's dictatorship. It's all due to the Americans that US marines overthrew Haitian democracy. It's all due to the Americans that Saudi Arabia is slaughtering Yemenis with US heavy ordinance.

Etc., etc.

You're arguing in defense of someone who plainly stated that murderous and rapacious American soldiers, are more important than hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghans. You'll find that Nazis had the same thought about Germans over Jews.

We just went through this. Bergendahl stated the atrocious behaviour of his fellow soldiers, with it reading like something straight out of the Invasion of Vietnam. I'd consider any individuals, who joke with glee about crushing children, to be the enemy. Those who do evil, are the enemy, not innocent civilians that are slaughtered, raped and tortured.

I take it you also agree with the sentiment, that a handful of American soldiers are more valuable than innocent Afghan civilians? Soldier worship isn't what I'd call a moral ideal.

Dude, you are absolutely insane.

 

[Brainonska511]

I'm surprised he wouldn't get off at this point because of improper command influence, after all the prejudicial statements Trump has made regarding the case.

 

[werepossum]

As to whether Bergdahl’s desertion caused any deaths, at the time he deserted Fire Base Keating along with several other vulnerable and poorly sited American bases was in the process of being shut down. The helicopters (cargo, utility and escort) borrowed for that dismantling were taken back and allocated to the search operations, leaving Keating with nothing beyond subsistence level aviation assets (there was no operable road into Keating.) On October 3, more than a month after it should have been dismantled and abandoned, Keating was struck by a massive, well-planned, and very well equipped attack by an estimated three hundred Taliban and foreign jihadi fighters. The attack overran and completely destroyed the base, although the American survivors managed to take back the base with fire support from Apaches and fixed wing drones, bombers, and fighter-bombers. Eight Americans were killed, and virtually all of the rest of the thirty-odd combat tasked soldiers were wounded.

Before people like MajinCry begin celebrating, eight of the Afghan troops (none of which fought) died, fifteen more went missing and are assumed dead, and roughly half the Taliban fighters were killed. Not to mention the Taliban massacred most inhabitants of the nearby village to obtain an assault line.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Feel free to point out where Iraq shares a border with Afghanistan

Physically they don't but many consider Iran to be an unhindered corridor for them.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Physically they don't but many consider Iran to be an unhindered corridor for them.

"There was a border for a good 60 years that was in effect and we wanted to secure it but were ordered not to."

He's simply wrong and your comment is meaningless in terms of the point being contested.

 

[Jhhnn]

Physically they don't but many consider Iran to be an unhindered corridor for them.

You know that how, exactly?

 

[Jhhnn]

As to whether Bergdahl’s desertion caused any deaths, at the time he deserted Fire Base Keating along with several other vulnerable and poorly sited American bases was in the process of being shut down. The helicopters (cargo, utility and escort) borrowed for that dismantling were taken back and allocated to the search operations, leaving Keating with nothing beyond subsistence level aviation assets (there was no operable road into Keating.) On October 3, more than a month after it should have been dismantled and abandoned, Keating was struck by a massive, well-planned, and very well equipped attack by an estimated three hundred Taliban and foreign jihadi fighters. The attack overran and completely destroyed the base, although the American survivors managed to take back the base with fire support from Apaches and fixed wing drones, bombers, and fighter-bombers. Eight Americans were killed, and virtually all of the rest of the thirty-odd combat tasked soldiers were wounded.

Before people like MajinCry begin celebrating, eight of the Afghan troops (none of which fought) died, fifteen more went missing and are assumed dead, and roughly half the Taliban fighters were killed. Not to mention the Taliban massacred most inhabitants of the nearby village to obtain an assault line.

Linky-linky.

 

[shortylickens]

I read his email.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl

Its not very good. This guy thinks he's a poet but lacks basic writing skills.