Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

[MongGrel]

Really? Actual desertion cases are not all that common but I have never seen any in which a sentence that dire was handed down. I have actually seen it handled through a (misdemeanor-level) Special Court-Martial (e.g.,http://www.cbsnews.com/news/coast-guard-deserter-sentenced-to-confinement/). The client I referenced earlier in this thread (a Korean war-era vet who deserted in the 1950s, then showed up at my office in 2003) was not even charged with a crime - just permitted to receive a UOTHC administrative discharge.

What were the circumstances where someone got more than five years for a peacetime desertion? It's not that I don't believe you - that just seems like an extraordinary sentence given the magnitude of the crime.

Might depend on what the individual did after he deserted actually.

I've heard of a few cases myself where people deserted and did criminal things afterwards and got busted on pretty hard later in a military court later.

 

[allisolm]

Update:

Bergdahl expected to plead guilty, avoid trial
"Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was held captive by the Taliban for half a decade after abandoning his Afghanistan post, is expected to plead guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, two individuals with knowledge of the case said.

Bergdahl could face up to five years on the desertion charge and a life sentence for misbehavior."

"...a guilty plea later this month will spare the need for a trial. Sentencing will start on Oct. 23, according to the individuals with knowledge of the case."

https://apnews.com/de3304616d1549e6...ergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty,-avoid-trial

 

[OutHouse]

Coward should be shot.

 

[JSt0rm]

Coward should be shot.

You let all that alt right fake news rot your brain.

 

[MajinCry]

Coward? You mean the man who went against the wishes of Afghanistan's invaders, deserting the soldiers fostering terrorism at the expense of civilians?

This guy's a coward?

Seems like we're still clinging to the nonsense that the US is fighting a just war, in the Invasion of Afghanistan. A just war, with millions of innocents raped, tortured, and murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl

The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting. [...] [Three good sergeants had been forced to move to another company] [...] and one of the biggest shit bags is being put in charge of the team. [...] [My battalion commander was] a conceited old fool. [...]

In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing shit bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools. ... The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, [...] I am sorry for everything here.

These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live... We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them [...] I am sorry for everything. The horror that is america is disgusting. There are a few more boxes coming to you guys. Feel free to open them, and use them.[1]:4

If you think this man's a coward for not willing to play along as a lapdog to US foreign policy, fuck off.

 

[OutHouse]

You let all that alt right fake news rot your brain.

Oh fuck off scumbag. Guess the 6 men who who died because of his coward ass are A OK for you.

 

[OutHouse]

Coward? You mean the man who went against the wishes of Afghanistan's invaders, deserting the soldiers fostering terrorism at the expense of civilians?

This guy's a coward?

Seems like we're still clinging to the nonsense that the US is fighting a just war, in the Invasion of Afghanistan. A just war, with millions of innocents raped, tortured, and murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl



If you think this man's a coward for not willing to play along as a lapdog to US foreign policy, fuck off.

Yup deal with it

 

[ivwshane]

Oh fuck off scumbag. Guess the 6 men who who died because of his coward ass are A OK for you.

Thanks for proving his point!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Oh fuck off scumbag. Guess the 6 men who who died because of his coward ass are A OK for you.

Man way to validate his entire argument.

 

[MajinCry]

Yup deal with it

It's because of people like you, that the Invasion of Iraq, the Invasion of Vietnam, the Invasion of Afghanistan, the toppling of Latin American democracies, the funding of Indonesian-enacted genocide upon East Timor, the spreading of Wahabbism, the overthrowing of Egyptian democracy, the mass slaughter and rape of Syrians, the Invasion of Somalia, and the destruction of Lybia, went on uncontested, with tens of millions murdered, raped and tortured.

You are evil.

 

[MajinCry]

Oh fuck off scumbag. Guess the 6 men who who died because of his coward ass are A OK for you.

It's bad when a few white Americans die. But millions of Arabs? Nah that's fine.

Isn't the term for this sort of behaviour Nazism? The whole white supremacy bullshit, with the lives of not-the-same-as-me's being utterly worthless?

 

[dphantom]

It's bad when a few white Americans die. But millions of Arabs? Nah that's fine.

Isn't the term for this sort of behaviour Nazism? The whole white supremacy bullshit, with the lives of not-the-same-as-me's being utterly worthless?

No. That would be you who you are describing.

 

[MajinCry]

No. That would be you who you are describing.

You might want to come up with something better than that toddler's first attempt at debate: "I know you are but what am I"

 

[dphantom]

There is no debate with with such as you. Your mind is closed. A closed mind can no longer debate.

 

[MajinCry]

There is no debate with with such as you. Your mind is closed. A closed mind can no longer debate.

What next, the US didn't overthrow Haiti? The US didn't invade Vietnam? The US didn't invade Iraq? The US didn't invade Afghanistan? The US isn't supporting Saudi Arabia? The US didn't install Batista in Cuba? The US didn't spray Agent Orange on the Vietnamese? Winter Soldier (1970) is a hoax?

If you're going to deny reality, the problem isn't with me bub.

 

[bshole]

What next, the US didn't overthrow Haiti? The US didn't invade Vietnam? The US didn't invade Iraq? The US didn't invade Afghanistan? The US isn't supporting Saudi Arabia? The US didn't install Batista in Cuba? The US didn't spray Agent Orange on the Vietnamese? Winter Soldier (1970) is a hoax?

If you're going to deny reality, the problem isn't with me bub.

In the world there are the predators and there is meat. The United States is the predator and the rest of the world is the meat. Might absolutely and unequivocally makes right. This is as fundamental as the laws of physics. What powerful country throughout history didn't murder and pillage it's way through the weak? Call it the gift of evolution and be thankful you aren't on the receiving end..... yet.

I don't believe in man, God nor Devil. I hate the whole damned human race, including myself. I preyed upon the weak, the harmless and the unsuspecting. This lesson I was taught by others : Might makes right.

 

[dphantom]

What next, the US didn't overthrow Haiti? The US didn't invade Vietnam? The US didn't invade Iraq? The US didn't invade Afghanistan? The US isn't supporting Saudi Arabia? The US didn't install Batista in Cuba? The US didn't spray Agent Orange on the Vietnamese? Winter Soldier (1970) is a hoax?

If you're going to deny reality, the problem isn't with me bub.

If you do not place those events into context, then the problem isn't me.

Perhaps your outrage could also be directed at the documented atrocities your communist friends have perpetrated.

 

[MajinCry]

In the world there are the predators and there is meat. The United States is the predator and the rest of the world is the meat. Might absolutely and unequivocally makes right. This is as fundamental as the laws of physics. What powerful country throughout history didn't murder and pillage it's way through the weak? Call it the gift of evolution and be thankful you aren't on the receiving end..... yet.

So rather than have your country do good, you just go "Well, them's the breaks!" and poo-poo the nightmarish reality away.

 

[MajinCry]

If you do not place those events into context, then the problem isn't me.

Perhaps your outrage could also be directed at the documented atrocities your communist friends have perpetrated.

So explain to me how murdering, raping, torturing tens if not hundreds of millions of people, and destroying countries due to them not bowing down to western corporate interests, is a morally righteous endeavor.

Hitler thrived off of your kind.

 

[bshole]

So rather than have your country do good, you just go "Well, them's the breaks!" and poo-poo the nightmarish reality away.

I accept that the entire human race are murderous scum. Our ancestors butchered all the peaceful apes. We are the descendants of predatory murderers. It is in our DNA. It is truly a shame that the gorilla didn't evolve high intelligence before us.

 

[MajinCry]

I accept that the entire human race are murderous scum. Our ancestors butchered all the peaceful apes. We are the descendants of predatory murderers. It is in our DNA. It is truly a shame that the gorilla didn't evolve high intelligence before us.

It doesn't have to be that way. That's just giving up because you don't want to put the effort in for societal change. Speak out against soldier worship, dispel notions of propaganda ("They hate us for our freedom!"), admit to atrocities, and advocate morality over jingoism and white supremacy.

Or you can just give up and let it all go on without any backbone to speak of.

 

[woolfe9998]

Coward? You mean the man who went against the wishes of Afghanistan's invaders, deserting the soldiers fostering terrorism at the expense of civilians?

This guy's a coward?

Seems like we're still clinging to the nonsense that the US is fighting a just war, in the Invasion of Afghanistan. A just war, with millions of innocents raped, tortured, and murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl



If you think this man's a coward for not willing to play along as a lapdog to US foreign policy, fuck off.

Regardless of what you, me or anyone thinks of of US conduct in Afghanistan, Bergdahl's desertion resulted in the deaths of 6 men who went looking for him, an outcome which was foreseeable to him. I see no excuse for this behavior in any of your various comments here.

Bergdahl should be punished.

 

[bshole]

It doesn't have to be that way. That's just giving up because you don't want to put the effort in for societal change. Speak out against soldier worship, dispel notions of propaganda ("They hate us for our freedom!"), admit to atrocities, and advocate morality over jingoism and white supremacy.

Or you can just give up and let it all go on without any backbone to speak of.

I struggle with the objective meaningless of existence. There is an approaching black cloud of extinction headed for humanity, the earth, the sun, the solar system and the galaxy. I still get morally outraged at American atrocity while realizing that my moral outrage is absolutely meaningless on a cosmic scale, I then get cognitive dissonance like a mother fucker.

 

[ivwshane]

Regardless of what you, me or anyone thinks of of US conduct in Afghanistan, Bergdahl's desertion resulted in the deaths of 6 men who went looking for him, an outcome which was foreseeable to him. I see no excuse for this behavior in any of your various comments here.

Bergdahl should be punished.

Can you back up this claim from an official source?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Regardless of what you, me or anyone thinks of of US conduct in Afghanistan, Bergdahl's desertion resulted in the deaths of 6 men who went looking for him, an outcome which was foreseeable to him. I see no excuse for this behavior in any of your various comments here.

Bergdahl should be punished.

How does this claim still persist? There's absolutely no evidence they were looking for him. They died during election protection details, supporting afghan forces under attack, roadside bombs during routine patrols.

These were routine encounters that were an unfortunate part of being stationed where they were in Afghanistan.