Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

[MajinCry]

Regardless of what you, me or anyone thinks of of US conduct in Afghanistan, Bergdahl's desertion resulted in the deaths of 6 men who went looking for him, an outcome which was foreseeable to him. I see no excuse for this behavior in any of your various comments here.

Bergdahl should be punished.

So let me get this straight. It's only when a soldier has fellow Americans die, that he should be punished. But if he tortures, murders, or rapes Arabs, that's perfectly acceptable?

Otherwise, you should be clamoring for the whole damn army in Afghanistan to undergo the Nuremberg trials. What matters more, six American soldiers, or entire populations of another country?

Edit: Moreover, he bore witness to his fellow soldiers committing atrocities straight outta the Vietnam handbook. And you want to avenge those same people, because they're Americans and not Arabs.

 

[dphantom]

So explain to me how murdering, raping, torturing tens if not hundreds of millions of people, and destroying countries due to them not bowing down to western corporate interests, is a morally righteous endeavor.

Hitler thrived off of your kind.

Ah yes, the inevitable call to Fascism. Lacking a coherent argument, one resorts to hyperbole.

 

[OutHouse]

It's bad when a few white Americans die. But millions of Arabs? Nah that's fine.

Isn't the term for this sort of behaviour Nazism? The whole white supremacy bullshit, with the lives of not-the-same-as-me's being utterly worthless?

oh good grief, i call a deserter a coward and now im a Nazi. get back to the sewer with you scum bag.

 

[dphantom]

How does this claim still persist? There's absolutely no evidence they were looking for him. They died during election protection details, supporting afghan forces under attack, roadside bombs during routine patrols.

These were routine encounters that were an unfortunate part of being stationed where they were in Afghanistan.

Directly probably not completely. However, the 501 para bn did stay in the area longer than planned due to Bergdahl's disappearance. In a t least 1 firefight in which an American was killed, the op being conducted was going after a local Taliban leader who Intelligence indicated may have had involvement in Bergdahls disappearance.

 

[woolfe9998]

Can you back up this claim from an official source?

What is an "official" source? Anyway, I don't know how to cut and paste a link on my phone. Try wiki on Bergdahl, footnote 61 is a link to CNN reporting that the soldiers on the rescue said as much. IIRC this was reported everywhere.

 

[woolfe9998]

How does this claim still persist? There's absolutely no evidence they were looking for him. They died during election protection details, supporting afghan forces under attack, roadside bombs during routine patrols.

These were routine encounters that were an unfortunate part of being stationed where they were in Afghanistan.

I'll take a closer look at this when I regain access to a real computer. It won't change my view that Bergdahl should be punished, however. When you desert, you risk the life of anyone who goes looking for you, whether anyone actually dies or not.

 

[Victorian Gray]

This guys says nope:

Command sergeant major: No troops died searching for Bergdahl

https://www.stripes.com/news/command-sergeant-major-no-troops-died-searching-for-bergdahl-1.402016

 

[Puffnstuff]

Regardless of what you, me or anyone thinks of of US conduct in Afghanistan, Bergdahl's desertion resulted in the deaths of 6 men who went looking for him, an outcome which was foreseeable to him. I see no excuse for this behavior in any of your various comments here.

Bergdahl should be punished.

Absolutely should be punished under the UCMJ for his actions.

 

[ivwshane]

What is an "official" source? Anyway, I don't know how to cut and paste a link on my phone. Try wiki on Bergdahl, footnote 61 is a link to CNN reporting that the soldiers on the rescue said as much. IIRC this was reported everywhere.

An official source would be the military themselves. I don't need to hear from military personnel who may or may not have an agenda.

 

[MajinCry]

oh good grief, i call a deserter a coward and now im a Nazi. get back to the sewer with you scum bag.

You left out the part where you said you value the lives of a handful of white American soldiers, over the lives of all the innocents that suffered and died by their hands.

Coward? You mean the man who went against the wishes of Afghanistan's invaders, deserting the soldiers fostering terrorism at the expense of civilians?

This guy's a coward?

Seems like we're still clinging to the nonsense that the US is fighting a just war, in the Invasion of Afghanistan. A just war, with millions of innocents raped, tortured, and murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl



If you think this man's a coward for not willing to play along as a lapdog to US foreign policy, fuck off.

Yup deal with it

That's what makes you a Nazi. You will happily praise the soldiers who slaughtered untold numbers of Arab civilians, and think those that refuse to be part of it should be tried and condemned.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This guys says nope:

Command sergeant major: No troops died searching for Bergdahl

https://www.stripes.com/news/command-sergeant-major-no-troops-died-searching-for-bergdahl-1.402016

Exactly. The search lasted 45 days by official military accouts. By then they determined he was in Pakistan and knew they wouldn't be going after him. He walked off June 30.

The first death attributed to his search in the claims that 6 died was August 18. A roadside bomb killed 2 who were providing election security. On the 26th one was shot while aiding afghan forces who came under attack. September 4 two more were killed during an ambush attack by roadside bomb and RPGs. Military again stated it was not a search mission. The last died September 6 setting up camp after distributing humanitarian aid.

All of the, after the 45 day search window. He should be held accountable for what he did. Trying to blame those deaths on him to vilify him further is unnecessary.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Exactly. The search lasted 45 days by official military accouts. By then they determined he was in Pakistan and knew they wouldn't be going after him. He walked off June 30.

The first death attributed to his search in the claims that 6 died was August 18. A roadside bomb killed 2. On the 26th one was shot while aiding afghan forces who came under attack. September 4 two more were killed during an ambush attack by roadside bomb and RPGs. Military again stated it was not a search mission. The last died September 6 setting up camp after distributing humanitarian aid.

All of the, after the 45 day search window. He should be held accountable for what he did. Trying to blame those deaths on him to vilify him further is unnecessary.

He's simply a means to attack the Obama administration.

 

[MajinCry]

Ah yes, the inevitable call to Fascism. Lacking a coherent argument, one resorts to hyperbole.

Fascism, defined by George Orwell as the adoption of socialist policies so as to further the military industrial complex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#George_Orwell

Fascism, at any rate the German version, is a form of capitalism that borrows from Socialism just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes... It is a planned system geared to a definite purpose, world-conquest, and not allowing any private interest, either of capitalist or worker, to stand in its way.

If we're going to be like that, who pays the soldiers that are out killing, murdering, torturing, raping, and bombing, so as to take the resources from countries and hand them over to corporations? Why, the tax payer; the entire military is financed through socialism.

 

[woolfe9998]

So let me get this straight. It's only when a soldier has fellow Americans die, that he should be punished. But if he tortures, murders, or rapes Arabs, that's perfectly acceptable?

Otherwise, you should be clamoring for the whole damn army in Afghanistan to undergo the Nuremberg trials. What matters more, six American soldiers, or entire populations of another country?

Edit: Moreover, he bore witness to his fellow soldiers committing atrocities straight outta the Vietnam handbook. And you want to avenge those same people, because they're Americans and not Arabs.

In other words , if you think a soldier should be punished for desertion, that means you you think they shouldn't be punished for war crimes. You actually just made that argument with a straight face.

I expressed no opinion about any other circumstance in which a soldier should or shouldn't be punished. I also don't bother pursuing discussion with people who are determined to add opinions to my posts which were not contained therein. In the future, if you want to reply to me, either reply to the opinions I've given, and only the opinions I've given, or don't bother.

 

[MajinCry]

In other words , if you think a soldier should be punished for desertion, that means you you think they shouldn't be punished for war crimes. You actually just made that argument with a straight face.

I expressed no opinion about any other circumstance in which a soldier should or shouldn't be punished. I also don't bother pursuing discussion with people who are determined to add opinions to my posts which were not contained therein. In the future, if you want to reply to me, either reply to the opinions I've given, and only the opinions I've given, or don't bother.

He explicitly stated that the man responsible for the deaths of six fellow soldiers is guilty and immoral. When those same six soldiers were doing shit straight out of Winter Soldier, his response was that the lives of US soldiers are more important than the innocents they brutalized; that the soldiers who engaged in the acts (the six included) aren't to be punished nor brought to justice.

 

[dphantom]

Fascism, defined by George Orwell as the adoption of socialist policies so as to further the military industrial complex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#George_Orwell

If we're going to be like that, who pays the soldiers that are out killing, murdering, torturing, raping, and bombing, so as to take the resources from countries and hand them over to corporations? Why, the tax payer; the entire military is financed through socialism.

I see we are not going to use real terms and definitions.

And yes, everything imaginable is just Socialism.

 

[MajinCry]

I see we are not going to use real terms and definitions.

And yes, everything imaginable is just Socialism.

"George Orwell? More like, George Or-unwell!"

 

[OutHouse]

You left out the part where you said you value the lives of a handful of white American soldiers,

you should be banned for your racist post. i though that any form of racism was not allowed here.

racist mother fucker

 

[werepossum]

It's bad when a few white Americans die. But millions of Arabs? Nah that's fine.

Isn't the term for this sort of behaviour Nazism? The whole white supremacy bullshit, with the lives of not-the-same-as-me's being utterly worthless?

It's due to Americans that you weren't raised in an actual Nazi nation, as opposed your bullshit accusations of Nazism.

 

[werepossum]

I'll take a closer look at this when I regain access to a real computer. It won't change my view that Bergdahl should be punished, however. When you desert, you risk the life of anyone who goes looking for you, whether anyone actually dies or not.

Well said. Although since there was no rescue operation mounted, and the troops out beating the bushes for him would have been in combat zones either way, I don't see how one can directly attribute any deaths to Bergdahl with any certitude. Combat missions of any stripe are dangerous.

Also, facing "up to five years on the desertion charge and a life sentence for misbehavior" seems rather backward to a non-military soul.

 

[JSt0rm]

you should be banned for your racist post. i though that any form of racism was not allowed here.

racist mother fucker

you are the victim





of alt right Russian propaganda.

 

[JSt0rm]

you should be banned for your racist post. i though that any form of racism was not allowed here.

racist mother fucker

also didnt you say in another thread that everybody is racist? You are a walking talking contradiction.

 

[J.Wilkins]

To me it doesn't matter whether troops actually died while searching for the deserter, he still put their lives at risk.

If you are not fit to be in the military, desert while on base, take your punishment and do your time.

I want him and those like him to serve at the very least life in prison but preferably a firing squad.

 

[J.Wilkins]

So let me get this straight. It's only when a soldier has fellow Americans die, that he should be punished. But if he tortures, murders, or rapes Arabs, that's perfectly acceptable?

Otherwise, you should be clamoring for the whole damn army in Afghanistan to undergo the Nuremberg trials. What matters more, six American soldiers, or entire populations of another country?

Edit: Moreover, he bore witness to his fellow soldiers committing atrocities straight outta the Vietnam handbook. And you want to avenge those same people, because they're Americans and not Arabs.

Me and him disagree on many... MANY things, he for some reason thinks I hate America and I think I love America and hate what is done to the nation...

BUT, he is one of the very few that I would trust when it comes to these things and to even suggest that he'd condone torture, murder and rape?

He would probably be happy to charge them with ever crime he could if he had knowledge of them doing that...

He is mistaken about me and about the deal about the US but he has a fuckload of integrity, something you'll never have.

If Bergendahl would be British, I'd have no problem dealing with him if asked to do so. The man is a traitor and a scoundrel who endangered (if anyone died is irrelevant) others lives as he played pretend in a war zone. You will never get this but if you do that, you ARE the enemy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bergdahl fucked up big time & was held prisoner for 5 years by the Taliban, then held in the service for 3 years under base arrest with his own protective security detail. All of that pretty much defines Hell in my book. Obama should have commuted any possible sentence on his way out so that the ravers could just STFU. Charge him with whatever they want, give him a dishonorable discharge & move on.