Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

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Jhhnn

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As to whether Bergdahl’s desertion caused any deaths, at the time he deserted Fire Base Keating along with several other vulnerable and poorly sited American bases was in the process of being shut down. The helicopters (cargo, utility and escort) borrowed for that dismantling were taken back and allocated to the search operations, leaving Keating with nothing beyond subsistence level aviation assets (there was no operable road into Keating.) On October 3, more than a month after it should have been dismantled and abandoned, Keating was struck by a massive, well-planned, and very well equipped attack by an estimated three hundred Taliban and foreign jihadi fighters. The attack overran and completely destroyed the base, although the American survivors managed to take back the base with fire support from Apaches and fixed wing drones, bombers, and fighter-bombers. Eight Americans were killed, and virtually all of the rest of the thirty-odd combat tasked soldiers were wounded.

Before people like MajinCry begin celebrating, eight of the Afghan troops (none of which fought) died, fifteen more went missing and are assumed dead, and roughly half the Taliban fighters were killed. Not to mention the Taliban massacred most inhabitants of the nearby village to obtain an assault line.

That is badly mistaken at best.

Bergdahl walked off from an outpost called Mest-malak in Paktika province on June 30, 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl#Captivity

The battle of Kamdesh, which you described, took place many miles away at Firebase Keating in Nuristan province on Oct 3, 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kamdesh#Background
 

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J.Wilkins

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Maybe you can explain this-



Or is that fake news?

Troop levels did not drop during the invasion of Iraq. There were only ~15K troops in the first place-

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Even Kellyanne does better alternate facts than you do....

Free passage was the key and what moved the Taliban into Iraq where they didn't exist before we destroyed the border security.

How do you explain the spread of the Taliban AQ wing into Iraq? We KNOW it happened so it had to happen somehow. My answer is simple and to the point, there is absolute evidence for what I've stated and all you have so far is what? That they didn't spread into Iraq?

I don't get your point.
 

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Their minds are warped by russian psyops. Tru™ patriots.

Nope, traitors do not get free pass from anyone who values the lives of the civilians meant to be protected or the people involved in search/rescue.

I'm sorry but if you don't want to be involved you take your jail time at home, you don't put others lives at risk.
 

JSt0rm

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Nope, traitors do not get free pass from anyone who values the lives of the civilians meant to be protected or the people involved in search/rescue.

I'm sorry but if you don't want to be involved you take your jail time at home, you don't put others lives at risk.

Thats all fine. But this narrative that the altright has whipped up had nothing more then to make sure obama didnt do something good.
 

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Thats all fine. But this narrative that the altright has whipped up had nothing more then to make sure obama didnt do something good.

I'm fairly sure you know that I'm pretty fucking far from the alt-right on every stance so I really don't care what they think.

If they agree with me then they are right on this issue though, I don't really care if they do or don't, won't change my stance and it shouldn't change yours either. The facts stand on their own.
 

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The altright (because obama the black man did something) thought this guy should of sat in some hole as a captive forever. More rational people thought he should be saved from that retardation and brought back here. Now he can face whatever crimes they want to put to him.

Im not an expert on this stuff so I dont have an opinion in that regard.
 

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The altright (because obama the black man did something) thought this guy should of sat in some hole as a captive forever. More rational people thought he should be saved from that retardation and brought back here. Now he can face whatever crimes they want to put to him.

Im not an expert on this stuff so I dont have an opinion in that regard.

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J.Wilkins

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I havent read anything stating he pretended to be captured. Are you sure has has admitted to that or that their is evidence for that claim?

Hmmm, I think I need to bow out of this discussion for the time being. I'm sorry about that.

Could you perhaps do me a favour and remove the quoted content of your post?

I'm asking as a personal favour.
 

Jhhnn

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Free passage was the key and what moved the Taliban into Iraq where they didn't exist before we destroyed the border security.

How do you explain the spread of the Taliban AQ wing into Iraq? We KNOW it happened so it had to happen somehow. My answer is simple and to the point, there is absolute evidence for what I've stated and all you have so far is what? That they didn't spread into Iraq?

I don't get your point.

Al Qaeda existed outside the borders of Afghanistan prior to our invasion. It's a trans national organization that comes into action in regions where the rule of law is weak. Their members come from all over the Sunni Islamic realm. They flocked to Iraq through adjacent Sunni lands when we destroyed the Baathist govt. They don't really operate in Iran because of the Sunni/Shia divide. Some may well have traversed Iran to reach Iraq but that apparently wasn't with the help of the Iranian govt. They've existed amongst the Pathan population in S Afghanistan & the tribal regions of Pakistan ever since the 80's when they & we helped the Mujahedin (Taliban) oust the Soviets & the regime they left behind. That's where they went when we invaded if they could get there. Closing that border would be a futile quest given the terrain & the kinship of people living on both sides of it. The tribal regions of Pakistan are where the Taliban & AlQ find shelter & where we've waged the drone war against them. It's most likely where Bergdahl was held, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks
 

J.Wilkins

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Al Qaeda existed outside the borders of Afghanistan prior to our invasion. It's a trans national organization that comes into action in regions where the rule of law is weak. Their members come from all over the Sunni Islamic realm. They flocked to Iraq through adjacent Sunni lands when we destroyed the Baathist govt. They don't really operate in Iran because of the Sunni/Shia divide. Some may well have traversed Iran to reach Iraq but that apparently wasn't with the help of the Iranian govt. They've existed amongst the Pathan population in S Afghanistan & the tribal regions of Pakistan ever since the 80's when they & we helped the Mujahedin (Taliban) oust the Soviets & the regime they left behind. That's where they went when we invaded if they could get there. Closing that border would be a futile quest given the terrain & the kinship of people living on both sides of it. The tribal regions of Pakistan are where the Taliban & AlQ find shelter & where we've waged the drone war against them. It's most likely where Bergdahl was held, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks

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Free passage was the key and what moved the Taliban into Iraq where they didn't exist before we destroyed the border security.

How do you explain the spread of the Taliban AQ wing into Iraq? We KNOW it happened so it had to happen somehow. My answer is simple and to the point, there is absolute evidence for what I've stated and all you have so far is what? That they didn't spread into Iraq?

I don't get your point.

The Taliban have never existed in Iraq. They are an Afghan/Pakistani group. They are not the same as Al Qaeda. You should know this and I'm puzzled as to why you seem not to.
 

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The historical record is out there. So, whenever you're ready, feel free to provide some sources that show how/when/where the Taliban "moved into Iraq".

I should have left when I said "I'm out".

The problem here is that I can't even argue any of my points without literally researching what is publicly known first and you'll have to excuse me while I just don't do that.

I'm actually out now, you have a great Sunday evening Victorian. :)
 

Jhhnn

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I should have left when I said "I'm out".

The problem here is that I can't even argue any of my points without literally researching what is publicly known first and you'll have to excuse me while I just don't do that.

I'm actually out now, you have a great Sunday evening Victorian. :)

Yeh, sometimes talking out your ass just won't achieve the desired results. Facts can be a real bitch.
 
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I should have left when I said "I'm out".

The problem here is that I can't even argue any of my points without literally researching what is publicly known first and you'll have to excuse me while I just don't do that.

I'm actually out now, you have a great Sunday evening Victorian. :)

I repeat, never a shared border and the Taliban have never 'moved into Iraq' but feel free to provide your sources.

Have a nice day/evening yourself.