Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

[SlowSpyder]

I generally like Obama but think this will end badly for his legacy. He freed and traded terrorists for this guy while others got their heads lopped off.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I generally like Obama but think this will end badly for his legacy. He freed and traded terrorists for this guy while others got their heads lopped off.

I don't know what level of ignorance you are going for but I do believe you have achieved the highest level known to mankind now.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I don't know what level of ignorance you are going for but I do believe you have achieved the highest level known to mankind now.

Another personal attack lacking any substance whatsoever by J.Wilkins. My shocked face:

 

[J.Wilkins]

Another personal attack lacking any substance whatsoever by J.Wilkins. My shocked face:

A statement of fact is not a personal attack. You simply cannot comprehend that he was bringing one of your own home and was cheered for it by everyone.

When it turned out the guy had lied then the turncoats went "well we never supported that" and you are one of those people.

That, kid, is a statement of fact.

But you should probably cry more about how unfair reality is and how pointing it out makes it a personal attack.

 

[SlowSpyder]

A statement of fact is not a personal attack. You simply cannot comprehend that he was bringing one of your own home and was cheered for it by everyone.

When it turned out the guy had lied then the turncoats went "well we never supported that" and you are one of those people.

That, kid, is a statement of fact.

But you should probably cry more about how unfair reality is and how pointing it out makes it a personal attack.

I achieved the highest level of ignorance possible by a human, according to you. Because I think this may look bad for Obama's legacy... sure dude. Whatever you want to tell yourself.

 

[HTFOff]

Bergdahl has now made a guilty plea to both desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.
Berghdahl's sentencing hearing is scheduled to begin Oct. 23.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politics/bowe-bergdahl-guilty-plea/index.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/bergdahl-expected-plead-guilty-desertion-case-monday-50503083

Honor and distinction.

 

[brandonbull]

Susan Rice: Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction'

This the same Bergdahl whose return Obama celebrated with a White House Rose Garden photo op?

The same Bergdahl that Obama's National Security Adviser claimed served with "Honor and Distinction?"

The same Bergdahl that the Obama administration traded for five Taliban leaders? A transaction that the Government Accountability Office later found in 'clear violation of the law"?

The same Bergdahl that military.com reports is in line for $300,000 in back pay and special compensation?


Uno

When is the rogue administration under Obama going to face consequences?

 

[hal2kilo]

I generally like Obama but think this will end badly for his legacy. He freed and traded terrorists for this guy while others got their heads lopped off.

Sure. YFOS.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Sure. YFOS.

What don't you agree with?

I think Obama was a pretty decent president. But do you think this will be good for his legacy? That several people were not able to be saved by under his admin and got their heads removed horrifically, the one guy that they traded terrorists for to save ended up being a deserter from the military. Not the best look.

 

[Jhhnn]

What don't you agree with?

I think Obama was a pretty decent president. But do you think this will be good for his legacy? That several people were not able to be saved by under his admin and got their heads removed horrifically, the one guy that they traded terrorists for to save ended up being a deserter from the military. Not the best look.

Please. Those beheadings took place in Iraq & were carried out by people who had no intention of negotiating for their release. They never were hostages the same way as Bergdahl.

Deserter or not, Bergdahl was a US soldier. That alone dictates that every reasonable effort be made to obtain his release, even if it's just to face the charges. The "released" Taliban are now living in gilded cages in Qatar, just a kinder & gentler place than Camp X-ray.

The Army will deal with Bergdahl however they see fit. The ravers won't be happy unless they shoot to poor fool.

 

[HTFOff]

A few ways Bowie Bergy could have avoided this fate:

1. Not dessert originally like a fuccboi.

2. Come out as gay, force Obama's hand by appealing to identity. Get pardoned.

3. Not dessert originally like a fuccboi.

Best of luck Bowie Bergy.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Another personal attack lacking any substance whatsoever by J.Wilkins. My shocked face:

I'm just as shocked at you are.

 

[werepossum]

Linky-linky.

I learned that from reading Clinton Romesha's "Red Platoon: A True Story of American Valor". Not from a web site. An excellent narrative from one of America's comparatively few living Medal winners, it doesn't make a big deal about Bergdahl, but it's an integral part of why his cavalry troop was still at this horribly situated fire base when attacked.

 

[werepossum]

I generally like Obama but think this will end badly for his legacy. He freed and traded terrorists for this guy while others got their heads lopped off.

I don't think many here believe I'm an Obama apologist as I never voted for him and don't particularly care for him (except in comparison to Mr. Trump and Ms. Clinton) but I think he did the right thing. As much as I hate what Bergdahl did, he was an American soldier. One of ours, even a mischievous deserter, really is worth five of their commanders, and even the worst of ours deserves to be repatriated and get his day in military court if practical.

Besides, either they'll keep their noses clean (in which case Obama was correct in releasing them) or we'll have plenty other opportunities to kill them. And while I'm at it, kudos to Obama for not engaging in wholesale releases of Gitmo detainees on his way out.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Please. Those beheadings took place in Iraq & were carried out by people who had no intention of negotiating for their release. They never were hostages the same way as Bergdahl.

Deserter or not, Bergdahl was a US soldier. That alone dictates that every reasonable effort be made to obtain his release, even if it's just to face the charges. The "released" Taliban are now living in gilded cages in Qatar, just a kinder & gentler place than Camp X-ray.

The Army will deal with Bergdahl however they see fit. The ravers won't be happy unless they shoot to poor fool.

Even if I were to agree with everything you said 100%, I still think this ends up looking bad for Obama's legacy. I don't know what the upside is you can argue for this. The end result is innocents were not able to be saved by the US, the one we were able to save very publicly, and at a cost of freeing terrorists at a 5:1 ratio, ended up being a deserter from the army and why he was caught by the enemy in the first place. That's the one that we were able to get home under Obama. I am not saying this will end up being a major contributor to his legacy, but I think it is a net negative for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

I learned that from reading Clinton Romesha's "Red Platoon: A True Story of American Valor". Not from a web site. An excellent narrative from one of America's comparatively few living Medal winners, it doesn't make a big deal about Bergdahl, but it's an integral part of why his cavalry troop was still at this horribly situated fire base when attacked.

Please. It's been acknowledged that the Army quit searching for Bergdahl 45 days after his disappearance. The action at Firebase Keating took place 45 days after that. That's a lot of time in between. If the Army didn't have their shit together at Firebase Keating that obviously doesn't have much if anything to do with the search for Bergdahl.

 

[emperus]

Even if I were to agree with everything you said 100%, I still think this ends up looking bad for Obama's legacy. I don't know what the upside is you can argue for this. The end result is innocents were not able to be saved by the US, the one we were able to save very publicly, and at a cost of freeing terrorists at a 5:1 ratio, ended up being a deserter from the army and why he was caught by the enemy in the first place. That's the one that we were able to get home under Obama. I am not saying this will end up being a major contributor to his legacy, but I think it is a net negative for it.

How do you know innocents were not able to be saved? And who determines someone is innocent outside of a trial? You think it looks bad for Obama's legacy because as most things(Benghazi, etc.), the right has decided to play politics with it.

 

[trenchfoot]

See, there's thing where Obama got dragged through the mud by our conservatives for bringing home one of our own to face justice and then he gets raked over the coals by our conservatives for using an UAV to vaporize one of our own (who was a known terrorist harboring himself with other known terrorists in a known terrorist saturated enclave in the Middle East where he was actively plotting and playing out his agenda toward viciously killing his own countrymen) instead of bringing him home to face justice. All this without risking the lives of a single American member of our cherished military to get it done.

Let's face it, Obama was wrong for even thinking a black man like himself could one day be president of these here "United" States of America. Or so is the thinking of those many folks that based their entire opinion of him on that single most important qualification requirement of theirs. Oh, and he was a commie loving liberal to boot. Now that, that really did it for them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Even if I were to agree with everything you said 100%, I still think this ends up looking bad for Obama's legacy. I don't know what the upside is you can argue for this. The end result is innocents were not able to be saved by the US, the one we were able to save very publicly, and at a cost of freeing terrorists at a 5:1 ratio, ended up being a deserter from the army and why he was caught by the enemy in the first place. That's the one that we were able to get home under Obama. I am not saying this will end up being a major contributor to his legacy, but I think it is a net negative for it.

The situations never were equivalent. The captors of those killed in Iraq never offered to negotiate for anything. That needs to be acknowledged.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The situations never were equivalent. The captors of those killed in Iraq never offered to negotiate for anything. That needs to be acknowledged.

Do you really know that there were no negotiations? You and I have no idea of what information was passed between our government and the terrorist groups / contacts behind the scenes. Even if the option to negotiate wasn't offered, the bottom line is that our government wasn't able to bring home those other Americans that got beheaded, not by force or through more diplomatic means. The one guy we did bring home is a deserter from the military. I don't think that's good for Obama's legacy ultimately. I also don't think it'll do much damage, just that it is a net negative in the grand scheme of the good and the bad of Obama's presidency.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you really know that there were no negotiations? You and I have no idea of what information was passed between our government and the terrorist groups / contacts behind the scenes. Even if the option to negotiate wasn't offered, the bottom line is that our government wasn't able to bring home those other Americans that got beheaded, not by force or through more diplomatic means. The one guy we did bring home is a deserter from the military. I don't think that's good for Obama's legacy ultimately. I also don't think it'll do much damage, just that it is a net negative in the grand scheme of the good and the bad of Obama's presidency.

It's not a pimple on Obama's ass.

 

[rommelrommel]

Do you really know that there were no negotiations? You and I have no idea of what information was passed between our government and the terrorist groups / contacts behind the scenes. Even if the option to negotiate wasn't offered, the bottom line is that our government wasn't able to bring home those other Americans that got beheaded, not by force or through more diplomatic means. The one guy we did bring home is a deserter from the military. I don't think that's good for Obama's legacy ultimately. I also don't think it'll do much damage, just that it is a net negative in the grand scheme of the good and the bad of Obama's presidency.

You can’t just invent a scenario based on, well, nothing.

It’s a sacred promise that your country will do anything possible to get you back. Sure, the price seems high knowing he was awol but hey, he will get hammered. Maybe this is like a 1 point off Obama’s resume that the guy ended up being a deserter but he’s still thousands of points up overall, including getting points for getting him back.

 

[werepossum]

Please. It's been acknowledged that the Army quit searching for Bergdahl 45 days after his disappearance. The action at Firebase Keating took place 45 days after that. That's a lot of time in between. If the Army didn't have their shit together at Firebase Keating that obviously doesn't have much if anything to do with the search for Bergdahl.

The search for Bergdahl took the majority of air assets in the area. Such an operation means delaying required maintenance and air crew operating beyond normal flight hours, so once the search is called off, other operations don't immediately pick up where they left off. Instead, there is a lag as backlogged maintenance is performed, sidelined assets are replaced or brought back into condition, air crew are rested. Everything lagged by more than that 45 days, and a firebase the size of Keating is not closed in a day or a week. As it was, assets that were listed for disposal had already been thrown away (after running out of blood, the kit to directly transfer blood was literally dug out of the trash in an attempt to save a soldier's life) and required repairs and upgrades that were put off because the base was about to close - in some cases, repairs that had a great deal of effect on the base's ability to defend itself - were not done because the base was still slotted for elimination. The base at the time of attack would have been closed and evacuated in less than one to two weeks; Bergdahl's desertion delayed that 45 days directly as well as additional time to bring the required air assets up to baseline status.

 

[Jhhnn]

The search for Bergdahl took the majority of air assets in the area. Such an operation means delaying required maintenance and air crew operating beyond normal flight hours, so once the search is called off, other operations don't immediately pick up where they left off. Instead, there is a lag as backlogged maintenance is performed, sidelined assets are replaced or brought back into condition, air crew are rested. Everything lagged by more than that 45 days, and a firebase the size of Keating is not closed in a day or a week. As it was, assets that were listed for disposal had already been thrown away (after running out of blood, the kit to directly transfer blood was literally dug out of the trash in an attempt to save a soldier's life) and required repairs and upgrades that were put off because the base was about to close - in some cases, repairs that had a great deal of effect on the base's ability to defend itself - were not done because the base was still slotted for elimination. The base at the time of attack would have been closed and evacuated in less than one to two weeks; Bergdahl's desertion delayed that 45 days directly as well as additional time to bring the required air assets up to baseline status.

Unsubstantiated bullshit in support of an erroneous position. The second half of that is completely immaterial to Bergdahl, btw.

 

[UNCjigga]

No prison time for Bergdahl.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...de4e56-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html